Texas shooting

[skend04]

Of course it's relevant. Almost every single aspect of American society is dictated by big money interests. Gun crime happening in other economic systems isn't proof of capitalism not having an impact on America's.

 

The NRA, and their accompanying media presence, are a huge reason why so many Americans have such a ridiculous attitude to guns. I don't doubt that it's cultural as well, but this sort of backward mentality from America has been purposely retained in no small part down to money interests.

 

The prison industrial complex, gang culture, etc, etc, all influenced by capitalism.

 

This shit could have been wiped out decades ago if anyone with any power in the US had any intention of doing so. They don't. Because it's big money.

People just need to check out how much money the NRA makes from gun and accessory sales alone to see this is capitalism in action.

[razor]

You boys have got it all wrong.  It's religion that's the biggest social problem, not capitalism, remember.  That's why bad things happen.

[SasaS]

I don't know why we are always so obsessed with or at least intrigued by American gun culture, they love having their guns and probably think that mass shootings are something they are willing to put up with in a country of 330 million people, if it means they guns won't be taken away.

 

Also, I don't think these shootings are linked with either accessibility of  guns or capitalism, or big money or NRA, there is something in that culture that is the root cause of it, because you have other capitalist countries with a lot of guns without mass shootings, you have non-capitalist countries with a lot of gun crime, there are numerous examples. They also have huge numbers of homeless people, and safe made successful people, so it all stems from the individualistic self-reliant type of society, the good and the bad.  And I'd say its how most of them like it.

[Rico1304]

You boys have got it all wrong.  It's religion that's the biggest social problem, not capitalism, remember.  That's why bad things happen.

Ha.

[Trumo]

I don't know why we are always so obsessed with or at least intrigued by American gun culture, they love having their guns and probably think that mass shootings are something they are willing to put up with in a country of 330 million people, if it means they guns won't be taken away.

 

Also, I don't think these shootings are linked with either accessibility of  guns or capitalism, or big money or NRA, there is something in that culture that is the root cause of it, because you have other capitalist countries with a lot of guns without mass shootings, you have non-capitalist countries with a lot of gun crime, there are numerous examples. They also have huge numbers of homeless people, and safe made successful people, so it all stems from the individualistic self-reliant type of society, the good and the bad.  And I'd say its how most of them like it.

 

It's a combination of fear and stupidity.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Yeah, most of them are scared stupid.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

You boys have got it all wrong. It's religion that's the biggest social problem, not capitalism, remember. That's why bad things happen.

Some people are trying to make a big deal of the fact that the murderer was atheist.

 

I can see a complete shutdown of Rico and Stronts entering the country until we figure out what's going on.

[Strontium]

You boys have got it all wrong.  It's religion that's the biggest social problem, not capitalism, remember.  That's why bad things happen.

 

America and Venezuela are both much more religious societies than we are. Many a true word said in jest, as they say.

[Bjornebye]

Looks like he was just pissed off with his ex mum in law so decided to shoot the place to shit. Ive been of a similar frame of mind so I can relate. Fortunately I didn't live in a society that would allow me to own an automatic weapon. 

[magicrat]

Of course it's relevant. Almost every single aspect of American society is dictated by big money interests. Gun crime happening in other economic systems isn't proof of capitalism not having an impact on America's.

 

The NRA, and their accompanying media presence, are a huge reason why so many Americans have such a ridiculous attitude to guns. I don't doubt that it's cultural as well, but this sort of backward mentality from America has been purposely retained in no small part down to money interests.

 

The prison industrial complex, gang culture, etc, etc, all influenced by capitalism. 

 

This shit could have been wiped out decades ago if anyone with any power in the US had any intention of doing so. They don't. Because it's big money.

 

The catalyst is their mental constitution not because US is a capitalist country, Yes I would agree its money now that prevents anything changing  .

[Rotpeter]

Some people are trying to make a big deal of the fact that the murderer was atheist.

 

I can see a complete shutdown of Rico and Stronts entering the country until we figure out what's going on.

 

Phew!

[SasaS]

It's a combination of fear and stupidity.

 

 

No, I think that large parts of that society historically never expected mercy nor were willing to extend any and traces of this can still be detected today, as some kind of collective unconscious, so, when the brain malfunctions, it resorts to violence. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, so there was always considerable pressure. And if you are not privileged, pressure is still there, if you are, you know deep down how fragile it is or can be, or how difficult it was to gain it for your predecessors. 

[Rotpeter]

No, I think that large parts of that society historically never expected mercy nor were willing to extend any and traces of this can still be detected today, as some kind of collective unconscious, so, when the brain malfunctions, it resorts to violence. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, so there was always considerable pressure. And if you are not privileged, pressure is still there, if you are, you know deep down how fragile it is or can be, or how difficult it was to gain it for your predecessors. 

 

There's definitely something lurking deep in the collective unconscious.  Non-stupid, non-scared people make statements about this that they themselves wouldn't accept in a different context.

 

It's of symbolic importance now.  As a symbol of what I'm not quite sure but the ability to get on with their lives without being dictated by some type of big brother/monarch/state is part of it IMO.  

[Boss]

What does capitalism have to do with it? Gun rights are guaranteed by the constitution.

 

Venezuela has no capitalism and no lobbyists, and there are way more shootings there.

 

What makes a near 300 year old constitution applicable now? There's a reason why hundreds of millions of Americans own guns. Why these gun manufacturers make so much money from private contracts and wars fought on foreign soil all over the world. The expansion, and the scope of this enterprise is pure capitalism. The fire arm industry in America makes 32 billion a year. They take a large portion of that money and fund the NRA. Who themselves fund the campaigns of the mostly Republican Congress. 

 

When these Congressmen are in power, they've already been bought by the gun lobby, hence after every mass shooting - with hundreds of casualties, the rhetoric is always about having more guns, not less.

[Strontium]

What makes a near 300 year old constitution applicable now?

 

Because it's the Constitution? It doesn't matter how old it is. The Constitution of the United States is the law, and you can't break it.

 

There's a reason why hundreds of millions of Americans own guns.

 

55 million.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Because it's the Constitution? It doesn't matter how old it is. The Constitution of the United States is the law, and you can't break it.

 

The Constitution has Amendment mechanisms built in, to allow it to evolve and remain fit for purpose.

 

If the political will was there, the Second Amendment could be overhauled or overturned.

 

That's a big if, though, as long as Americans keep paying good money to murder each other.

[Boss]

Because it's the Constitution? It doesn't matter how old it is. The Constitution of the United States is the law, and you can't break it.

 

Have you ever wondered why so many people have tried to change it, and why so many have failed?

 

The Fire Arm industry is a multi billion dollar industry. The gun manufacturers make trillions, and likewise the American government make incredible amounts of money from their continual "War on Terror" around the world; not just in security contracts, but by bringing in private contractors after levelling war zones and rebuilding a little Capitalist utopia in it's wake.

 

The American economy is basically fueled by perpetual war and violence. With every new mass shooting gun sales spike. Every hurricane is an exciting new opportunity to wrap their capitalist tentacles around (Whitefish, New Orleans Charter school reform). Just as Boris Johnson said Syria offers an exciting opportunity for investment "all we need to do is clear the dead bodies away".

 

You can't divorce what's happening in America (in regards to mass shootings) from Capitalism. And likewise you can't divorce Capitalism from the lobbyists that use the system at their disposal to gain power and influence. Also can i just say, you're wrong about Venezuela not having lobbyists. Every country in the world has lobbyists. 

[Boss]

55 million.

 

300 million guns in America. 

[Strontium]

Have you ever wondered why so many people have tried to change it, and why so many have failed?

 

Because people keep voting for politicians who don't want to change it. That's democracy, and all the capitalism in the world can't make people vote a certain way.

[Strontium]

300 million guns in America.

 

Yes, but that's not what you said, you said hundreds of million of Americans own guns.

[Boss]

Yes, but that's not what you said, you said hundreds of million of Americans own guns.

 

Where did you get that figure? The 55 million i mean.

[Boss]

Because people keep voting for politicians who don't want to change it. That's democracy, and all the capitalism in the world can't make people vote a certain way.

 

Capitalism does make people vote a certain way though. Think about the money Trump and Russia spent on leaking Hilary's emails and the 30,000 bot accounts constantly infiltrating social media with negative stories. Think about the money the NRA spends on disinformation campaigns to convince American citizens that owning guns is a good idea. Think about the money they spend on a regional level, in elections, to uncover dirt on Democrat politicians running for Congress.

 

It's also difficult to change something when you're being threatened and intimidated. In the South people with open carry licenses turn up at politicians offices with semi automatic rifles and threaten their lives just because they are pro-gun reform.

 

[Jairzinho]

Capitalism has ensured the US doesn't have much of a democracy.

 

The choice last time was between a corporate war hawk with all the charm of a rotten courgette, and a retarded, narcissistic, toddler.

[TheHowieLama]

Where did you get that figure? The 55 million i mean.

 

 

Its about right - there are estimated to be 350 million guns in the States at this point. The vast majority owned by "collectors".

A  widely reported fact is that less than 5% of the population own nearly 2/3 of those. 

 

It would be the very rare case indeed that a fella who owned a single gun had an AK leaned up against his bedpost.

 

 

Collectors gonna collect.

[Boss]

Its about right - there are estimated to be 350 million guns in the States at this point. The vast majority owned by "collectors".

A  widely reported fact is that less than 5% of the population own nearly 2/3 of those. 

 

It would be the very rare case indeed that a fella who owned a single gun had an AK leaned up against his bedpost.

 

 

Collectors gonna collect.

 

Yeah, true.