mike23

Neville was infuriating throughout the game even by his standards yesterday. He couldn't hide his joy when he realized the Chelsea goal was going to be awarded. Still, the complete silence from him for about 30 seconds after our winner was absolutely glorious.

The officials have been very consistent with ruling out goals for incidents like this since the start of last season. The only exceptions seem to be in City games (there was an even worse case of a goal being allowed to stand for them against Bournemouth last season). And when the ref is sent to the screen it always leads to the decision being changed. Except in this case. The ref also ignored a clear foul at the other end a few minutes earlier (he'd been giving fouls against Wolves for much less all day) which led to the City break that ultimately directly resulted in the series of corners they had that ultimately led to the goal. I feel sorry for Wolves after all the effort they put into that game, only to be denied by a ref who seemed determined to do everything he could to help City find a way to win.

I was surprised when they mentioned in commentary early on that we had won 9 of our last 10 games away to Palace. I'd always seen them as one of our bogey teams. I guess it's the negative bias at work, and also maybe because the defeats and draws over the years against them have tended to be so dramatic while a lot of the wins would have been the sort of good-not-great type wins we had today that are unlikely to linger long in the memory. We looked in almost total control for most of the game, but could have paid the price in the end for not getting the second goal to kill them off. The last 20 minutes seemed to go on forever and I was starting to expect the worst, particularly when Alisson went off injured and we had an inexperienced backup as the only option to replace him. Mixed day for Jota. He took the goal well but the 2 misses were both really poor. I was thinking after 20 minutes or so that Mo was having a much better overall game than recently as there were none of the sloppy touches or passes that have plagued recent games, but that seemed to jinx it as almost immediately he started giving it away far too often. Gravenberch and the centre-backs were all really good again. It was a surprise to see Tsimikas in the starting line up as he's been poor in the games he's played this season, but he produced a much better performance today. Mac Allister didn't seem to be having the best of games prior to going off. Szosboszlai was frustrating again when he came on, passing up decent shooting chances early on in the second half only to then attempt speculative long rangers late on when we needed to just keep possession. The way every refereeing decision that goes our way gets analysed to the point of absurdity really is tireseome. There will be similar incidents going the way of other teams this weekend that will barely be mentioned. TNT Sports are even worse than Sky Sports for it. Their coverage of the Anfield derby last season was embarrassing, and today it was even worse. It was the sort of thing that very occasionally may get given but far more often isn't. Of course if you slow it down like they did when they showed the replays it will make it look a lot worse than it actually was.

Frustrating but had a feeling it was going to happen. They looked like scoring from every corner in the last 20 minutes..

I found it pretty incredible that he seemed to think it was the ref's job to try and appease the home crowd. He does understand that fans are not generally viewing decisions objectively and tend to feel their team is being shafted even when a ref is having a good game? No wonder refereeing in this country is in such a state.

Great response following Saturday's loss. Heads could have easily dropped after conceding the early goal, but the response was perfect and we just seemed to be completely on top after that until we eased off a bit towards the end. Good to see Szoboszlai have a good game after the weekend. Gakpo did well and did his chances of getting more starts no harm at all.

I turned the telly on today just as Southampton had been awarded a penalty against United. I found myself thinking in that moment that it was going to be a really good football weekend. How wrong I was.

Pretty shocked at just how bad that second half was. I lost count of how many times players didn't seem to even be ready for it when a pass was played to them. Perhaps it was just a shock if they received a pass that was even vaguely accurate as the number of overhit or underhit passes in that second half was absolutely ridiculous. Even the most mediocre of Liverpool teams over the years would normally at least have been capable of laying siege to the Forest goal in those final 20 minutes after going a goal down, but we couldn't get going at all. It's only 1 game and I don't want to overreact, but it was so bad that it's certainly tempered expectations for what we can achieve this season. The result is bad but the manner in which it occurred is by far my biggest concern.

Whenever you think Everton can't possibly be any more hilarious, they somehow always find a way.

I love how outraged they sound when Maupay gives a bit back, as though it's their right to abuse him and part of his job to accept it. I can imagine if he gets a move in the next week that he will be getting in a few more sly digs at Everton fans.

I saw about the last half hour. Pereira somehow managing to fuck up that 2 on 1 break brought back horrible flashbacks of the wastefulness from our forwards at Old Trafford last season. United look like they'll continue to be terrible but somehow still gain much better results than their performances warrant.

True. I've read the Times article as well now and there was this paragraph in it. All very depressing. Millions are being spent on legal fees to fight this case. One senior club source says the Premier League’s legal bill has more than quadrupled in the past year, from about £5million to north of £20million. They also point to the fact that since February the Premier League’s own legal department has been forced to shift its focus to this claim when it is also trying to prepare for the hearing into City’s 115 charges. “This is clearly a tactic,” the source said.

Football really is finished if a sufficient number of clubs actually agree with this. Newcastle will as it would effectively ensure that the future of English football becomes an arms race between them and City. Chelsea possibly. Maybe Everton out of sheer stupidity. I can't imagine why anyone else would, but then again the thinking of so many people involved in football these days just completely baffles me. My hope is that this is an indication that City know they are absolutely screwed with these 115 charges and that this is their last desperate roll of the dice to avoid facing the consequences.

That tyranny of the majority line has got to be just about the most self-entitled thing I've ever heard. These arrogant cunts should be relegated so far down the football pyramid that Bury become their new main rivals.

I thought Sky's coverage of our game and the Klopp presentation afterwards was good today. I'd been expecting endless updates and talk about what was going on in the title race and our game being treated as an afterthought, but they correctly seemed to realize that anyone who actually cared about the title race would be watching the City game and kept updates brief.