The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Pureblood]

None of them will win an election. Deep down you all know it. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

51 minutes ago, Moo said:

Why?  What's he got that's attractive to those voters?  

I really hope he's been hiding his light under a bushel these years as I've seen nothing from him which would suggest he's a leader of any kind. 

It's not specifically Starmer, but take Brexit off the agenda, and I think those Labour leavers who held their nose and voted Tory to "get Brexit done" will revert to old voting habits.

 

With the centre/centre-left media more united behind him, I'm cautiously optimistic. 

[cloggypop]

I liked him working for free for 10 years on the McLibel case and he's not Jess Phillips. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Suck up to Murdoch and Rothmere then brutally betray them. 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

If Starmer allows McTernon type cunts to influence the party and move it too far to the right people that won't put up with this will vote Green, not for Galloway.

 

That could be the case mostly if they're more moderate, would be good to see Greens do well too. If Starmer is getting elected it might be from a coalition anyway.

 

And there we go. I finally made a post without mentioning Galloway or the Worker's Party.

 

Wait...

[Captain Howdy]

1 hour ago, Stickman said:

honourable politicians .....

The ultimate oxymoron 

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

How though? He will be painted as Pro EU Sir Keir of Brussels. The man that wanted to ignore the referendum result. I don't see how he will win back any of the leave voting seats Labour lost vs the man that delivered Brexit. 

 

At best he may be more popular with Lib Dems voters, but the handful of votes they have aren't the ones Labour need. 

Will Brexit be an issue at the next election? I think it's highly unlikely. By then people will be voting on the undoubted financial mess the county will face as a result of the triple whammy of coronvirus, global recession and our Brexit departure. It's how starmer handles himself and holds the government to account will shape if he can win the next election. What is for absolutely sure, any working class bloke that found it acceptable to vote for Boris Johnson would seem not to have an issue with whoever is leader not being "one of them". He also seems exactly the stamp of bloke the swing voters of middle England would be attracted to. Out of the choice available to labour, starmer was head and shoulders above any other candidate. If he has the qualities to be prime minister remains to be seen, but Brexit won't be what brings him down in my opinion. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 hours ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

I'd like to think the rump of the Corbynistas will feel the same and drop into line behind Starmer, but I'm not holding my breath.

That's a self-fulfilling thing, that.

 

Because there's no such thing as a "Corbynista" you can just apply that term to any blinkered and irresponsible left-wingers who engage in destructive in-fighting, while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of members who joined to support the democratic Socialist movement that was kick-started by Corbyn's 2015 candidacy.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Presumably The Independent, Guardian and to some extent the BBC (and any other centrist media) will support him. Which will help.

Having a Deputy who isn't committed to working against the party and the democratically elected leader will also be a refreshing change. 

[sir roger]

I'm not completely sold on Starmer , as I am to the left of him politically , but of the three on the ballot paper , he was the only one I could see having any chance in a general election , so I am crossing my fingers basically.

 

RBL was a very poor candidate , and Nandy was quite clearly soft-soaping and would have had the party shooting right, and into a civil war within weeks.

 

I am not expecting KS to turn into Tony Benn overnight, but am hoping he will resist the pressure that will be brought on from the right to sweep out every sign of Corbyn's reign from personnel to policies. He has a massive mandate now and I hope he uses it to avoid a factional war by steering a middle course.

 

I think he has some positives to start with in that he doesn't appear to have many enemies on either wing of the party, has nowhere near the openings for the right-wing media to go at compared to Corbyn , has a gravitas as an ex-DPP , seems the type to attract centrist voters from the Midlands downwards and won't have the level of pressure on the a/s cobblers ( despite being a Friend of Palestine ).

 

I don't think he will do much at first with parliament out , just keep a watching brief on the coronavirus response of the government, and sort out his new cabinet and his HO leadership team ( I believe Seumas Milne has said he is going & Karie Murphy may come under pressure to go ). 

 

He has negatives of course , I can't see what he offers to Scotland for instance and he is not an engaging orator in my opinion. The interesting point is whether being anti-Brexit will be a massive issue along the Red Wall. I subscribe to the view that it won't be that big an issue at the next election & it was a mixture of Brexit / anti Corbynism that made a lot of Labour voters 'lend' their votes to Johnson , and a more palatable leader /  Brexit seeing as being done,  might overturn what in some cases were quite slight defeats in a numerical sense.

 

 

[Chip Butty]

Best of an average bunch. 

[Pureblood]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's a self-fulfilling thing, that.

 

Because there's no such thing as a "Corbynista" you can just apply that term to any blinkered and irresponsible left-wingers who engage in destructive in-fighting, while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of members who joined to support the democratic Socialist movement that was kick-started by Corbyn's 2015 candidacy.

Spoken like a true Starmerama. 

[Megadrive Man]

3 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

RLB couldn’t even beat Starmer, how’d she win an election though?

I don't think she would win an election. I just thought she may apeal to working class people more than Starmer would?

 

Many people I know would have voted for Andy Burnham, yet he couldn't even beat Corbyn. 

[Megadrive Man]

2 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

Will Brexit be an issue at the next election? I think it's highly unlikely. By then people will be voting on the undoubted financial mess the county will face as a result of the triple whammy of coronvirus, global recession and our Brexit departure. It's how starmer handles himself and holds the government to account will shape if he can win the next election. What is for absolutely sure, any working class bloke that found it acceptable to vote for Boris Johnson would seem not to have an issue with whoever is leader not being "one of them". He also seems exactly the stamp of bloke the swing voters of middle England would be attracted to. Out of the choice available to labour, starmer was head and shoulders above any other candidate. If he has the qualities to be prime minister remains to be seen, but Brexit won't be what brings him down in my opinion. 

 

Brexit, probably won't be an issue come spring 2024, but people have long memories when it comes to politics. They won't forget that Johnson delivered Brexit and Starmer tried to stop it. 

 

I agree he has a better pedigree than RLB or Nandy. Neither were anywhere near ready to lead the Labour Party. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

27 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I don't think she would win an election. I just thought she may apeal to working class people more than Starmer would?

 

Many people I know would have voted for Andy Burnham, yet he couldn't even beat Corbyn. 

Not sure that’s true tbh. Maybe it is. Though, as Boris Johnson shows, they’re not quite as simple as ‘working class sounding lass = working class vote winner’. 

[sir roger]

I think it has got to the stage where 'being a character ' is more important than saying and wanting the right things.

[Redder Lurtz]

6 hours ago, mattyq said:

He supports electoral reform

Really happy he's won

Think he's decent, honest and clever and will hold the cunt Johnston to account in a big way

Do you pronounce Wetherspoons "Witherspoons"?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I see that that Frances Barber loon is applying to be a Labour party member as she feels able to do so now that Corbyn is no longer leader. 

 

This move is apparently being championed by the usual suspects on Twitter, despite there being a long record of her making racist, bigotted and foul mouthed and abusive tweets (probably under the influence of copious amounts of alcohol). 

 

It must be the wrong kind of racism though. The one that many self-proclaimed fighters of racism have continually turned a blind eye to. 

[Creator Supreme]

I'm so glad I'm a green party member, I couldn't go back to Labour now, too many right wing cunts calling the shots! Frances Barber, Riley, Oberman, Matt Forde, Jon Richardson, Dan Hodges et al can go fuck themselves!

[mattyq]

55 minutes ago, Redder Lurtz said:

Do you pronounce Wetherspoons "Witherspoons"?

 No, no I don't

Is it relevant?

 

[mattyq]

23 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I'm so glad I'm a green party member, I couldn't go back to Labour now, too many right wing cunts calling the shots! Frances Barber, Riley, Oberman, Matt Forde, Jon Richardson, Dan Hodges et al can go fuck themselves!

As far as I'm aware none of the above are members and even if they are they certainly don't call the shots but as you were

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Barber's definitely on the sauce tonight. Her Twitter feed is a veritable feast of evidence for the Labour compliance unit. Calling Labour Party members pricks and cunts. Which is probably enough on its own to result in the refusal of her membership application. 

 

No doubt she'll blame Corbyn and "the left" when her application gets knocked back. 

[Creator Supreme]

10 minutes ago, mattyq said:

As far as I'm aware none of the above are members and even if they are they certainly don't call the shots but as you were

I'm not concerned if they're Labour members or not (some of them definitely used to be) nor whether they call the shots, but they were the ones amongst many others at the forefront of flinging all kinds of bullshit at Corbyn, pretty much all of it false and probably libellous! The fact he hasn't taken the legal route says more about him than that gaggle of cunts!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

58 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I see that that Frances Barber loon is applying to be a Labour party member as she feels able to do so now that Corbyn is no longer leader. 

 

This move is apparently being championed by the usual suspects on Twitter, despite there being a long record of her making racist, bigotted and foul mouthed and abusive tweets (probably under the influence of copious amounts of alcohol). 

 

It must be the wrong kind of racism though. The one that many self-proclaimed fighters of racism have continually turned a blind eye to. 

She was a proper 'orrible cunt in Doctor Who so, for that reason, I'm out.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

56 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I'm so glad I'm a green party member, I couldn't go back to Labour now, too many right wing cunts calling the shots! Frances Barber, Riley, Oberman, Matt Forde, Jon Richardson, Dan Hodges et al can go fuck themselves!

Expressing opinions on Twitter really isn't "calling the shots".