General Election 2019

[cloggypop]

6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

There's no deal that satisfies all of those tests, though. It's impossible. Literally impossible.

There is though. It's called remain. 

[sir roger]

Hope so , Corbyn in no.10 and Remaining would be utopia, to quote a noted sage.

 

( Replying to Duff Man 2 posts back )

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

23 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Yes, I too am confused by the idea that a credible deal is available. Because as we've seen, it's bollocks.

No it’s not, a deal along the lines of Norway is credible.

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

Does Johnson’s deal satisfy any of them?

 

Arguably point 5, but you won't get any argument from me that his deal isn't a terrible one.

[Strontium]

Just now, arthur friedenreich said:

No it’s not, a deal along the lines of Norway is credible.

 

Norway is in the single market, but not in the customs union, which as far as I can gather is the opposite of any hypothetical Corbyn deal.

[aRdja]

4 minutes ago, arthur friedenreich said:

No it’s not, a deal along the lines of Norway is credible.

Well, except for that one...

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Labour's position on Brexit isn't ideal. One part of me wants to just jib off Brexit and remain in the EU. So, that side of me doesn't find the policy to be ideal. 

 

But, I can see why doing this could be viewed as undemocratic. However, I don't think it's undemocratic to give people a confirmatory referendum now that more information is available and when the original referendum was so poorly done that it didn't really give or even allow for a clear mandate on what Brexit would be and how it will be done. 

 

For me, realism has to come into it all. The Tories are guiding us into a no deal Brexit still, as their recent comments regarding no extension to the transition period confirm. It's also highly unlikely that the Lib Dems will get elected. So, Labour's policy, while not perfect, is the only achievable and realistic option which could stop a no deal Brexit. And is pretty much the same policy, the confirmatory referendum bit, which Lib Dems were largely all for just a matter of weeks ago. 

[moof]

6 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Oh no, does this mean the Labour candidate who said she’ll celebrate Blair’s death is absolutely disgusting too? 

I’d prefer he was in The Hague, but dead would be ok too

[Duff Man]

Customs Union is antithetical to the hard Brexit types, though. It'd be very difficult for prominent leavers or the loony side of the press to bet behind such a deal. Honestly think Remain would walk it in those circumstances.

[cloggypop]

Just now, moof said:

I’d prefer he was in The Hague, but dead would be ok too

I don't want him anywhere near me ta. 

[moof]

Btw I think a brexit deal if Labour can implement some of the things they want to do to restructure and democratise the economy - worker co-ops and so on - will be less damaging for the majority of people in this country than another cycle of Tory rule, with the acceleration of neoliberal capitalism. Ideally it will be Labour + remain, at least in the short term. But labour + brexit is better than Tory + remain. Because, in case you hadn’t noticed, things are not going so well right now in this current system 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

Because, in case you hadn’t noticed, things are not going so well right now in this current system 

 

No kidding, the current hummus crisis will live long in the memory.

[Bjornebye]

40 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

There's no deal that satisfies all of those tests, though. It's impossible. Literally impossible.

Just like Labour "literally" having an anti-semitic complaint every single day that you couldn't prove. 

 

Ok. 

 

Like you SD, I am a remainer. I'd do a lot for us to remain. I do however think in the interests of public trust we do need a second referendum where the best possible deal is presented. We know that the best possible deal is likely a piece of shit on paper but I am certain Corbyn won't let the people be shafted like they are in Johnsons deal. 

[Bjornebye]

24 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

I don't want him anywhere near me ta. 

Or William Hague for that matter 

[clockspeed]

37 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

There is though. It's called remain. 

Correct.

[moof]

15 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

No kidding, the current hummus crisis will live long in the memory.

This is kind of the problem. You don’t see all the structural issues with the capitalist system. You have a pretty comfortable life so assume everything must be roughly ok. You should engage more in proper criticisms of capitalism, such criticisms have never, ever been taken seriously in this country and it really shows. 

[Strontium]

Just now, moof said:

This is kind of the problem. You don’t see all the structural issues with the capitalist system. You have a pretty comfortable life so assume everything must be roughly ok. You should engage more in proper criticisms of capitalism, such criticisms have never, ever been taken seriously in this country and it really shows. 

 

There are certainly issues with the capitalist system. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the greatest rise in living standards in human history has happened under capitalism. So I don't believe root and branch changes are required. Amending the current system to make it fairer and (more importantly) sustainable is sufficient.

[moof]

10 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

There are certainly issues with the capitalist system. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the greatest rise in living standards in human history has happened under capitalism. So I don't believe root and branch changes are required. Amending the current system to make it fairer and (more importantly) sustainable is sufficient.

I posted a video in the Corbyn thread of a talk by a very brilliant and important teacher in economics, Prof Richard Wolff. You might find it interesting 

[A Red]

21 minutes ago, moof said:

This is kind of the problem. You don’t see all the structural issues with the capitalist system. You have a pretty comfortable life so assume everything must be roughly ok. You should engage more in proper criticisms of capitalism, such criticisms have never, ever been taken seriously in this country and it really shows. 

I'm pretty sure you have said you want to get rid of capitalism, what would you replace it with?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, A Red said:

I'm pretty sure you have said you want to get rid of capitalism, what would you replace it with?

Kate Upton. 

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Kate Upton. 

She would make a fortune

[moof]

2 minutes ago, A Red said:

I'm pretty sure you have said you want to get rid of capitalism, what would you replace it with?

I hope you’re sat in a good comfortable chair. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eco-socialism

[Captain Turdseye]

[A Red]

5 minutes ago, moof said:

I hope you’re sat in a good comfortable chair. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eco-socialism

Thats sounds brilliant, am i allowed to make a profit ,keep most of it and spend it where i like?

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, A Red said:

Thats sounds brilliant, am i allowed to make a profit ,keep most of it and spend it where i like?

 

You can buy whatever you want, so long as what you want is compost.