Gnasher

Some good points made there.

No it isn't. Its because the people misjudged the mood. The poor were getting the short end for years and people were willing to throw the dice . It's like the Bob Dylan lyric " when you got nothing you got nothing to lose" I'm still convinced that if parliament would have ran its course (as it should have) instead of the lib dems and Tories forcing an election then we would now have a hung parliament where all options would be open.

Now hang on, without railroading this thread the EU havnt exactly covered itself in glory during this crisis. The tories were split down the middle during brexit, they lost two serving prime ministers and were heading towards civil war, Corbyn (although ridiculed) took imo a wise position on brexit of wait and see. Let the tories implode. However Corbyns strategy didnt suit the right wing in the labour party the self preservation of the lib dems and the hounds of tory compliance the bbc. I make no apologies for rejecting the capitalist charter of cunts that masquerades under the European union banner.

I second that Matty.

Got to be very careful giving a tory government a free run with laws that took decades to achieve, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-52004116

Yes I understand what your saying and in the short term its impossible to disagree, I understand the hurt of lives lost and the fear and pain but we cannot let this virus be an excuse for political forces/police/establishment to endorse and enforce a martial law by stealth. These basic rights were not given, they were hard fought and when this horrible virus is defeated the rights and services that stand in this country should and must be still in place. Otherwise the good the great and virus wins.

Good point, well said as always. I understand what your saying about the human cost and the pain involved, I know my argument can sound cold hearted but there is dare I say it, a bigger/ longer picture. I e. Human rights could be tossed aside, other mainstream services lost forever. It's an awful situation but the long term can end up being more frightening.

Thanks . I feel a bit better looking at that list. Im lucky, out of all the above ive only got SARS, smallpox and Ebola.

Yeah fair point but we have got to start looking at the the permanent damage that can be caused by letting this strangle vital services for longer than necessary.

Over 2 million children at risk because of the ramifications of the virus says the children's commissioner. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/25/coronavirus-puts-vulnerable-uk-children-greater-risk-campaigners-warn Talk of doctors giving respiratory help to only those with the best chance of survival shouldn't we ask difficult questions of ourselves?

Interesting. If its heading towards 1 i see little reason why we can't aim at getting our services back up and running in a few weeks.

I'd be more reassured if they wheeled out that American preacher who can zap the virus dead with the power of your God and your 10 dollars.

Fucking Hell it's got bad now. They've put that cunt Dominic Fucking Rabb out to give the update. Tommow till probably be that American preacher further up in this thread.

This I think is the link Rico is looking for http://world.bymap.org/MedianAge.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe Not sure if this helps to be honest. It was first on the list and I couldn't be bothered looking further than one down.