Gnasher

The labour party is fucked. It's going to go like Scotland, a non enmity. The confusion over its Brexit stance ( Corbyn was right to pledge to acknowledge the result of the referendum) and the bogus anti Semite nonsense ( Corbyn innocent) has plunged a dagger to it's heart. The labour party is about to get fucking hammered. I'm gutted.

EU neo con apologists who promote austerity and privatisation maybe? Good enough for the cunts.

My bad I won't use that link again. Have a different one https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/as-trade-unionist-this-is-why-britain-must-vote-to-leave/

That's a load of disingenuous bollocks and you know it. The labour party has a long history of opposing the EU. It was until the Blair takeover in its manifesto to pull out within one term; the Tories under thatcher promised to stay in. Most labour heartlands voted out, that's a fact, you may be uncomfortable with it but it's the truth. The shift in policy to move towards remain in the past 6 months or so by remainers holding a gun to Corbyns had has and will be a fucking disaster. Here's a different view to chew on from someone with a more rounded and grounded view https://www.spiked-online.com/2016/06/16/the-eu-has-done-nothing-for-workers-rights/

Brexit is the biggest issue in this election, the labour party moving to the right and appeasing Tom Watson and the rest of the remain mob has destroyed it's chances. It was all so predictable.

She loves the EU though.. Corporate capitalism and all the trimmings, Glass houses and throwing rocks spring to mind.

The pro European parties love freedom of movement. They say it empowers people, I say it's a modern day slave market. Anyone expressing the second logical viewpoint is bullied out of the EU thread by the eu angry mob.

https://labourheartlands.com/labour-should-think-twice-before-betraying-its-labour-heartlands/

Not surprisingly over 60% of labour seats are pro leave. The fact is leave outgunned remain in most working class areas. The reason is imo fairly simple, most working class areas are historically left wing so voters would be wary of EU privatisation, a free enterprise system in which immigrants are a commodity to boost profits ie fruit picking, warehouse, building work etc all data shows the poor lose out where widespread immigration occurs. Working class areas would obviously reject the EU austerity mantra. Working class areas would feel uneasy with the eu links to banks and nhs titp trade deals. The majority of working class are not racist so would reject a nhs worker from Ghana not having the same rights as workers from Hungary. In summary working class areas are a far way to the left of posters in this thread.

I apologise for that comment it was not intended to come out and sound that way. My point is we are now at a time of record homeless, food banks, mass inequality and a political state both here and in Europe that crushes increased spending on infrastructure and direct spending on the most needy. The past 30 years of European inequality can not be allowed to continue.

I know you make a valid point Sometimes the gloves have to come off, people get hit and hurt and only then blows have to get thrown. It's not ideal but it's sometimes the only way, lines have to be drawn.

There are very very few dissenting voices over the past 20 pages regarding the EU. Dissenters are shut down and you're one of the main culprits. It's like a Moonie love fest.

The EU should hold it's head in shame https://jubileedebt.org.uk/countries-in-crisis/greek-debt-crisis-case-banks-people

I will always be behind any govt that promotes less inequality less unemployment, less privatisation and more state assets to be returned to the people who work for and own them. I was/am and will whatever the Brexit outcome be with the socialist former government of Greece.

Its not irrelevant, the arguements are pretty much the same it's only we as a country moving so far to the right that's made the aguement against mass bank lead bureaucracy in your view out dated. The principles are the same and the arguements against are still.worth airing.