Loris Karius

[Bobby Hundreds]

Table football keepers have more to them than karius.

 

I watched the first episode of the new series of twin peaks and in it laura Palmer screamed and then flew off into the air in possibly the worst special effect I've ever seen and Karius... fucking Karius recreated that last night with his abomination of a free kick save. The rotation is pissing me off.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Don’t mind the rotation. Do mind having two keepers who aren’t good enough.

[manwiththestick]

He's made a few good saves but his highs aren't as high as his lows are low. Or as frequent.

His good saves are routine saves for most other goalies, herein lies the problem.

[magicrat]

His good saves are routine saves for most other goalies, herein lies the problem.

 

The problem is he's on our books and the manager is trying to polish a turd

[an tha]

Ward as domestic cups keeper?

 

That'll be two games for him this season so.

3.

 

We'll go to a replay with Macclesfield in FA cup 3rd round

[VladimirIlyich]

Hang on a minute, on the other thread you're arguing that tactics make no difference but on this one you're saying Karius can't set up a wall without further specialist coaching. Which one is it?

Setting up a wall is not tactics and a goalkeeping coach works with a goalkeeper on technique,footwork,handling,positioning etc so I have n idea how you have made that giant leap? Unless you are being sarcastic?

[VladimirIlyich]

I dread to think how the Internet would have coped with the meltdown when Bruce Grobbelaar or David James had their first six months at the club. As for Karius its a shame our young players didnt get the support of the fans in the way they used to rather than compounding the problem of an already nervous young keeper. Neglecting the fact that we have to look for younger keepers or keepers from less fashionable clubs because the very top ones are going to go to our rivals who can easily gazump us with wages and transfer fees.

[magicrat]

Setting up a wall is not tactics and a goalkeeping coach works with a goalkeeper on technique,footwork,handling,positioning etc so I have n idea how you have made that giant leap? Unless you are being sarcastic?

 

Tactics are important but when you have a circus clown trapped in the body of a goalkeeper it makes little difference

[VladimirIlyich]

Tactics are important but when you have a circus clown trapped in the body of a goalkeeper it makes little difference

2 circus clowns at least. One has the opportunity to get better while one wont.

[Mark M]

I dread to think how the Internet would have coped with the meltdown when Bruce Grobbelaar or David James had their first six months at the club. As for Karius its a shame our young players didnt get the support of the fans in the way they used to rather than compounding the problem of an already nervous young keeper. Neglecting the fact that we have to look for younger keepers or keepers from less fashionable clubs because the very top ones are going to go to our rivals who can easily gazump us with wages and transfer fees.

James was shite for his whole time at the club. Every time he had a good game or make a great save he’d follow it up the next game by costing us points.

[VladimirIlyich]

James was shite for his whole time at the club. Every time he had a good game or make a great save he’d follow it up the next game by costing us points.

Grobbelaar was also pretty terrible when first joined top,or so we thought after having Clemence for years. At least James had a short stint before we knew he was shite while now you are written off before you even kick a ball despite the fact we have to gamble on trying to get a bargain. These owners are being shown to be bigger cunts every transfer window and our managers have to be magicians rather than coaches.

[thompsonsnose]

Grobbelaar was also pretty terrible when first joined top,or so we thought after having Clemence for years. At least James had a short stint before we knew he was shite while now you are written off before you even kick a ball despite the fact we have to gamble on trying to get a bargain. These owners are being shown to be bigger cunts every transfer window and our managers have to be magicians rather than coaches.

Yes, that explains why everyone on here is piling in to Ward as well.

Oh wait..

[G Richards]

Just wondering, but if we get dramatic and shift out two goalkeepers, and say keep Ward as the back up, who are the options that we think are a clear upgrade. Not a maybe, but a clear upgrade, someone who we are pretty sure will come in and boss it. 

 

Oh, and we have to have a chance of getting them, obviously. 

 

I'll start with a name. Jack Butland. How good is he? Is he clearly better? I think so. Others may disagree. But he looks solid to me. Certainly the best of the home grown keepers. Fills the goal very well too. 

 

How much would he cost? What's his contract situation? 

[jimmycase]

Just wondering, but if we get dramatic and shift out two goalkeepers, and say keep Ward as the back up, who are the options that we think are a clear upgrade. Not a maybe, but a clear upgrade, someone who we are pretty sure will come in and boss it. 

 

Oh, and we have to have a chance of getting them, obviously. 

 

I'll start with a name. Jack Butland. How good is he? Is he clearly better? I think so. Others may disagree. But he looks solid to me. Certainly the best of the home grown keepers. Fills the goal very well too. 

 

How much would he cost? What's his contract situation? 

 

Everyone is going overboard about Ward as if he's this magnificent keeper who's being held back. The reality is totally different and when he's under the same scrutiny as Mignolet and Karius, people will be wondering what the fuss was about.

 

The names of all the keepers in the PL can be rhymned off but the only one who's head and shoulders above them is de gea and he aint coming here. Butland conceeded a goal on saturday, 85 seconds after the game kicked off from a shot hit into the ground. No doubt people will say he was 'unlucky' but when mignolet, karius and yes, ward have the same done, this place is in meltdown and they're 'shit.'

 

I saw some on here were going on about the spartak keeper but what about the games he's played recently where spartak havent got results? I bet he's conceeded similar goals as our two this season but because no one's seen him except in that one game, he's a top, top keeper.

[magicrat]

Everyone is going overboard about Ward as if he's this magnificent keeper who's being held back. The reality is totally different and when he's under the same scrutiny as Mignolet and Karius, people will be wondering what the fuss was about.

 

The names of all the keepers in the PL can be rhymned off but the only one who's head and shoulders above them is de gea and he aint coming here. Butland conceeded a goal on saturday, 85 seconds after the game kicked off from a shot hit into the ground. No doubt people will say he was 'unlucky' but when mignolet, karius and yes, ward have the same done, this place is in meltdown and they're 'shit.'

 

I saw some on here were going on about the spartak keeper but what about the games he's played recently where spartak havent got results? I bet he's conceeded similar goals as our two this season but because no one's seen him except in that one game, he's a top, top keeper.

Ward may well be found wanting when he is tested fully but its not as though we are risking much giving him game time ahead of Karius .  

[jimmycase]

Ward may well be found wanting when he is tested fully but its not as though we are risking much giving him game time ahead of Karius .  

 

Do you seriously think we didnt regularly watch ward when he was at Huddersfield? Do you seriously not think Klopp and his coaching staff watch the keepers in training?

[DJLJ]

Don’t mind the rotation. Do mind having two keepers who aren’t good enough.

 

Agree somewhat-ish. We have to settle on a back five, whatever that back five is and then make that as familiar with each other as possible. To me that is the best way to limit the damage to us by them not being good enough. 

Doing lots of rotation on top of them not being good enough is just an ever bigger recipe for disaster in my eyes.

[Lee909]

I dread to think how the Internet would have coped with the meltdown when Bruce Grobbelaar or David James had their first six months at the club. As for Karius its a shame our young players didnt get the support of the fans in the way they used to rather than compounding the problem of an already nervous young keeper. Neglecting the fact that we have to look for younger keepers or keepers from less fashionable clubs because the very top ones are going to go to our rivals who can easily gazump us with wages and transfer fees.

Theres 6 or 7 clubs that can outdo us on fees etc.

 

There has been enough keepers around over the past 25 years for us to have had more than one top class keeper.

 

We could easy have got a decent keeper but went with Mingolet and still persist with him and Karius etc.

 

Handanović for example would have been attainable over the past few years and a massive step up in class.

 

Oblak,Lloris,Kasper Schmeichel would have all been available with better scouting.

 

The one common factor has been Achterberg. Every keeper has gone backwards or not progressed since he has been here

[Guest]

It could be worse...

 

[VladimirIlyich]

Theres 6 or 7 clubs that can outdo us on fees etc.

 

There has been enough keepers around over the past 25 years for us to have had more than one top class keeper.

 

We could easy have got a decent keeper but went with Mingolet and still persist with him and Karius etc.

 

Handanović for example would have been attainable over the past few years and a massive step up in class.

 

Oblak,Lloris,Kasper Schmeichel would have all been available with better scouting.

 

The one common factor has been Achterberg. Every keeper has gone backwards or not progressed since he has been here

Thing is that the likes of Lloris took time to find his feet at Spurs and of course De Gea briefly too. Our keepers aren't getting this yet we are buying keepers well below their levels.

[Lee909]

It's just getting bloody boring it being a issue is the main problem.

As i have said bar a 3/5 year spell when Reina was at his best we have had issues with keepers going back to the early 90s. Nearly 30 years and no good keepers.

 

to be fair we have not had a great LB in the same time frame

[Duff Man]

The Dude was good for a season, before the curse of Corrigan struck.

[joe_fishfish]

The three year spell Reina was at his best coincided with us employing a good goalie coach.

 

I mean we can rattle off a list of goalies who shit all over our current three from a very great height - Handanovic, Oblak, Subasic, Horn, Asenjo, Ruffier etc - but if their day-to-day coaching is fucking shite, and we have every reason to believe it is, then it's pointless buying anyone cos they're just gonna get worse.

[Red House]

Jurgen's master plan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ6AOKWmSlA 

[jimmycase]

Doesnt matter whether we have the best goalkeeping coach because every goal we conceed is over analysed and put down as a goalkeeping error, some other defensive error or because we dont have a good enough defensive midfielder in the team. And if we did, he was in the wrong position etc.

 

No other team is as over analysed as us for goals conceeded. It is fucking boring.