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In fact, I think the bump of this thread has made me think. I'm at Anfield in three weeks time. Back, after a brief sojourn in 2017 with my son - thanks to Scott M back then. Prior to that, I was a "wool" with a season ticket from 1989-91. I'm taking a break from here (not enjoying the vibe, and not contributing to it either perhaps). (And @Dougie Do'ins once said people should give a reason for their flounce - I really liked him) Hopefully, we'll win the title again and then, who knows.

Maybe for the fans who used to get what they wanted, getting it now feels nowhere near the same. And for those who've only recently started getting what they wanted, perhaps nothing is good enough.

Chopper Harris and Leeds. It couldn't get any dirtier.

If that's the case, we really should savour this possible title, because it might be a long, long time until another.

I'd say it's the most (inadvertently?) persuasive report of yours I've ever read, dave. You have pretty much convinced me we're not 12 points clear at the top.

I suspect a nice Bourgogne shades whatever mulled vintage he's drinking.

I'd love to win all four. The League is the one I most prioritise/value. (Bill Shankly said the same.) That is all I was really trying to say to someone who is saying the gloss of winning a League title will be less (for him) for going out of the European Cup. The "choose" thing is just as you say, "conversation". Maybe not real life, but a thing that supporters do tend to do. (Well, those lucky enough to have their team competing for trophies on multiple fronts.) And yeah, personally, I'm no longer as fervent about the European Cup as I once was.

You can't help it if you know more about football than me.

We need to get in front of United again. Fuck everything else. Oh, and I'll try to enjoy it if I can.

Agree. You're right. I'd love to win both. But I'd love more to go one clear of United at home first.

I actually don't want to argue with you about this. But if winning the League is a piece of piss, then winning the European Cup while finishing 37 points adrift in your own League (c.2005) doesn't quite fit in with your expert assessment. If I'm honest, while I loved the miracle of Istanbul, I realised then that the European Champions Cup wasn't what it once used to be - when we won it the first four times. Interestingly, we won our first 4 European Cup Finals - all as Champions of England. In the last 5 finals we have reached - none as Champions of England - we've won 2. Perhaps that is no co-incidence. I'll take a win in the European Cup, of course. But give me the "piece of piss" League title any day. Call it my take on the shitness of modern football, but the criteria of winning our League, for all its faults, have changed a lot less than the European Cup.

That's exactly my thinking. Indeed to both Manchesters, historically and presently. We deserve a couple more titles on account of the "injustices" we suffered at City's hands. And we deserve to be back on our perch. The European Cup can wait - and if we're in it, let's be in it as Champions of England.

I'd take a couple of League titles in the next few years over the European Cup any day.

I was offered a Japan Air Lines lounge package for £1019 for the West Ham game. If I'd have taken it, for that money, I would be making more noise than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Shanks virtually brought the screens out when he had an injured player. Methods have changed.