*Shakes head* Everton again.

[an tha]

The shite always have been and always will be our truest rivals....the local thing trumps everything.

 

But i can see how some people see the rivalry with the mancs as 'bigger' and of course because us and the mancs are the most widely supported clubs in the land that spreads the rivalry far and wide.

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, an tha said:

The shite always have been and always will be our truest rivals....the local thing trumps everything.

 

But i can see how some people see the rivalry with the mancs as 'bigger' and of course because us and the mancs are the most widely supported clubs in the land that spreads the rivalry far and wide.

 

 

Rivalry is usually based on winning trophies. That rules our geographically closer 'rivals' out.

[an tha]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Rivalry is usually based on winning trophies. That rules our geographically closer 'rivals' out.

Local rivalry trumps everything else for me.

 

Having to go school after a loss, or work etc etc.....that sort of rivalry is with you day in day out - lets face it most people from Liverpool would hardly know a Utd fan and not have them involved in their day to day lives and would certainly not have them in their families, have to go school/work/listen to them driving taxis etc/socialise with them....

 

But that said of course our games with the mancs have for last 25 years or so had more on them in terms of prestige and as i say the rivalry is a nationwide/worldwide one, as you'll find LFC and MUFC fans all over the place.

 

I think the rivalries and their 'level' is heavily influenced by where people were brought up and where they live.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, an tha said:

Local rivalry trumps everything else for me.

 

Having to go school after a loss, or work etc etc.....that sort of rivalry is with you day in day out - lets face it most people from Liverpool would hardly know a Utd fan and not have them involved in their day to day lives and would certainly not have them in their families, have to go school/work/listen to them driving taxis etc/socialise with them....

 

But that said of course our games with the mancs have for last 25 years or so had more on them in terms of prestige and as i say the rivalry is a nationwide/worldwide one, as you'll find LFC and MUFC fans all over the place.

 

I think the rivalries and their 'level' is heavily influenced by where people were brought up and where they live.

Back in the 1980s it was actually both of them as United won the FA Cup regularly at least. 

[an tha]

2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Back in the 1980s it was actually both of them as United won the FA Cup regularly at least. 

Yeah

[Barrington Womble]

13 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Back in the 1980s it was actually both of them as United won the FA Cup regularly at least. 

In the 80s there was very much a footballing rivalry between us and the shite, but we were united in our rivalry with scousers against everyone else. Back then I wanted to beat Everton more than anyone, but as long as we finished ahead of them I didn't mind if they were 2nd. The 84 cup final I sat and watched with my grandad (also a red, but like many men of his age had grown up going to both clubs every other Saturday) and cheered them on. 

[VladimirIlyich]

10 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

In the 80s there was very much a footballing rivalry between us and the shite, but we were united in our rivalry with scousers against everyone else. Back then I wanted to beat Everton more than anyone, but as long as we finished ahead of them I didn't mind if they were 2nd. The 84 cup final I sat and watched with my grandad (also a red, but like many men of his age had grown up going to both clubs every other Saturday) and cheered them on. 

Yeah,I was there too and often stood among Evertonians at many Derby matches at Goodison also. We were definitely united more as a city back then but just like society in general,we are very divided now. Particularly with younger football fans.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

But this is my point, league position has little to do with rivalry. There's just more to it. Geography plays a part, history plays a part and occasionally league position adds to that. 

Oh yes. If Man City or Chelsea got relegated, I'd forget about them soon enough.  If Everton or Man U got relegated, I'd still keep an eye on their results so I could laugh at them.

[Strontium]

I wonder how many people know that after Shankly retired as Liverpool boss, he sought a return to management when the Everton job became available. Anyone criticising Rafa here probably ought to bear it in mind.

[Jose Jones]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I wonder how many people know that after Shankly retired as Liverpool boss, he sought a return to management when the Everton job became available. Anyone criticising Rafa here probably ought to bear it in mind.

First I’ve heard of that. Got any details?

[lifetime fan]

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

First I’ve heard of that. Got any details?

I’d never heard of him wanting the job but it’s been widely reported he want to their games and training. 

[Jose Jones]

20 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

I’d never heard of him wanting the job but it’s been widely reported he want to their games and training. 

Yeah, I've heard/read all that stuff about us asking him not to turn up at Melwood so as to not step on Bob's toes, so he ended up popping in to Everton training sessions instead.

Also the quote from his book about being better received at Everton than at Liverpool after he retired.

Never heard anything about him wanting their manager's job.

[Harry's Lad]

As Jose said, the club stopped him from turning up at Melwood because the players were looking to both he and Bob when Bob was trying to imprint his ideas on them, at Bob's behest I read somewhere.

 

I think Shanks realised he'd made a mistake in retiring and just needed to be around the game, but I've never heard of him wanting the Everton job either.

 

Shanks was God in our house, my Dad said to me once that he was the greatest man who ever lived. I don't think anything could tarnish his reverence or his legacy, even that.

[Total Longo]

On 25/06/2021 at 18:54, sir roger said:

Never had a lot of time for Aldridge after the hair ruffling incident against Forest

Spot on, this. In the context of that game it was even less classy than it would have been under normal circumstances.

[Total Longo]

On 26/06/2021 at 15:45, Doctor Troy said:

Got found out by finishing third last year after the worst injury crisis in years but Everton paid a manager 12 million a year to finish tenth without any injuries.

 

Evertonians have no self awareness.

You forgot about Van Dijk assaulting Rodriguez and leaving him in traction.

[Pete]

 

Things have got that bad they’re even tweeting Skeletor now.

[Captain Turdseye]

13 hours ago, belarus said:

That’s fair enough. The mind does boggle if you’re right on which 2 English clubs that would be. United for sure, but he’s been at Chelsea and is off to Everton, so I don’t think he would say no to them either to be honest.

 

I love Rafa for the champions league win and the 08/09 nearly year - best team I think we’ve had in my opinion since the end of Dalglish in 91. 
 

I did have some gripes with some other things with him towards the last couple of years, but that’s long forgotten with me and his Hillsborough support has been amazing. He seems to have mellowed and softened these days too. A family man and a role model.

 

My emotional attachment to the game is all but gone and has been for a while now anyway, so him going to that lot would mean the square root of fuck all to me anyway. Hence forth Rafa, get paid

Mate, this team has just got 99 and 97 points in the league and won the CL. Yeah, it was boss having Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano behind Torres upfront but surely Klopp’s reds are a fuckload better than that side which finished on 86 points once and never won anything. 

[Davelfc]

[Curly]

10 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Mate, this team has just got 99 and 97 points in the league and won the CL. Yeah, it was boss having Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano behind Torres upfront but surely Klopp’s reds are a fuckload better than that side which finished on 86 points once and never won anything. 

They’ve definitely achieved more, no doubting that. You are probably right, but I think a lot of what has happened here is down to Klopp. 
 

If I was doing a mixed starting 11, it would be 5 or 6 from each team in that combined team for me

[Harry Squatter]

27 minutes ago, Total Longo said:

You forgot about Van Dijk assaulting Rodriguez and leaving him in traction.

He killed him so bad it made him want to leave after one season.

[Curly]

Ali

Trent / Arbeloa

Carragher

Virg

Xabi

Mascherano

Stevie

Mo

Torres

Sadio

2 minutes ago, belarus said:

They’ve definitely achieved more, no doubting that. You are probably right, but I think a lot of what has happened here is down to Klopp. 
 

If I was doing a mixed starting 11, it would be 5 or 6 from each team in that combined team for me

 

[Davelfc]

Everton’s original stadium architect, the celebrated Archibald Leitch, completed his last act of a near 30-year Goodison Park project, 80 years ago. Once a 23 year obstacle had been removed!

 

When Everton opened the Gwladys Street Stand in August 1937 they became the first football club in Britain to boast double-decker stands on all four sides of the stadium. It was a move which had been planned by the club’s ambitious board since 1914 - but one stubborn Street Ender stood in their way until January 1937.

He was an ex-soldier called William Fraser - and while Everton had diligently bought up all of the houses on the stadium side of Gwladys Street in order to demolish them to make way for the new stand, he refused to move on.

 

 

First club on merseyside to commit war crimes?

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-famous-gwladys-street-end-14350021

 

And here's me thinking they knew their history. 

[Total Longo]

1 minute ago, Doctor Troy said:

He killed him so bad it made him want to leave after one season.

...with a whole new female identity. 

[Total Longo]

1 minute ago, Impostor said:

Everton’s original stadium architect, the celebrated Archibald Leitch, completed his last act of a near 30-year Goodison Park project, 80 years ago. Once a 23 year obstacle had been removed!

 

When Everton opened the Gwladys Street Stand in August 1937 they became the first football club in Britain to boast double-decker stands on all four sides of the stadium. It was a move which had been planned by the club’s ambitious board since 1914 - but one stubborn Street Ender stood in their way until January 1937.

He was an ex-soldier called William Fraser - and while Everton had diligently bought up all of the houses on the stadium side of Gwladys Street in order to demolish them to make way for the new stand, he refused to move on.

 

 

First club on merseyside to commit war crimes?

Where is this taken from? I want to be able to point my blue mates in it's direction.

[Davelfc]

2 minutes ago, Total Longo said:

Where is this taken from? I want to be able to point my blue mates in it's direction.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-famous-gwladys-street-end-14350021