Does anyone want to see Lucas go?

[Count Morfeo]

Im still clinging to the fact this is the player who won the South American footballer of the year award - alongside the likes of Tevez, Robinho and Kaka no less. If you win that award you cant be shit - we just haven't seen the best of him yet.

 

The undead clung to that until they discovered that former United midfielder Kleberson also won the award.

[Brownie]

The undead clung to that until they discovered that former United midfielder Kleberson also won the award.

 

Exactly.

[RedKnight]

He's Captain Vanilla, bland and uninteresting. He'll be great in a slower league but he'll never have what it takes fo England. As always with players like him, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

[hamstrung]

He's looked a little more "grrr" in the pre-season games.

[king7]

Lucas obviously got talent, but I'm not sure about his confidence. He often seems too timid and restrained, i would like him to be more assured and take command on the pitch.

[Brownie]

He's looked a little more "grrr" in the pre-season games.

 

Pre-season is pre-season though, it's only about fitness.

[silverlining]

Ronnie Whelan, Graeme Souness, Xabi Alonso, Jan Molby, Steve McMahon, Steven Gerrard, Dietmar Hamann, Javier Mascherano.

 

That is what a great Liverpool midfielder looks like.

 

Now take a deep breath, consider it carefully, and think about Lucas again.

 

"Oh yeah, actually he's fucking shit isn't he?"

 

Exactly. You're right. Well done.

[hamstrung]

Pre-season is pre-season though, it's only about fitness.

 

And adding "grrr"

[Royal Family]

I said yes to potentail. but then again I`m not sure what potentail is..

 

I think a potent tail is the thing growing on the back of Voronin's neck?

[Brownie]

And adding "grrr"

 

Well I certainly 'grrrr'd' when we got beat 3-0, but, 'it's only about fitness', so...

[Strontium]

I think he has potential and would be happy to see him given another season. I would love him to prove the ignorant boo-boys wrong.

[Ian Sea]

I voted yes but I'm not even arsed about making a profit on him.

 

Not good enough.

 

Next.

[Lightforce]

He's so shit that it actually shocks me just how shit he is. It's a sort of 'defying the laws of physics' shit that only he can achieve. So in a sense he's a pioneer.......of shit.

[The Golden Eel]

I'm not convinced he's good enough, but to sell him now would be madness. At the end of this season? Maybe. Now? 100% not...

[nibbler]

I am not convinced he will ever really make it big for us but I do think that some of the stick he gets from our fans, usually loud vocal shit at the game, is bang out of line.

 

I went to the away Madrid game last year and there was this proper tourist prick behind me in the Real end puporting to be a massive red (I went with a RM member who got me a ticket). He spent half the game on his mobile telling his mate how great it was and the rest of the game calling Bennayoun a stupid Yid if he lost posession (for which I told him to shut the fuck up) and shouting at Lucas - who was only warming up - to "break a fuicking leg" so he wouldnt get to play for us.

 

What a fucking brilliant advert for our fans abroad that is but to be fair I've heard worse at Anfield. I feel for the lad, he's done several interviews where he's said how he's taken a lot of stick from the fans - FOR WHAT? for trying? So what if he's shit, don't blame the lad for doing his best. Fucking small-time shit.

[silverlining]

I feel for the lad, he's done several interviews where he's said how he's taken a lot of stick from the fans - FOR WHAT? for trying? So what if he's shit, don't blame the lad for doing his best. Fucking small-time shit.

 

I abhor booing Liverpool players at the game. It's not nice.

 

But sometimes - and this is not a defence - positive or negative crowd reaction can help sway decisions.

 

We've done it plenty of times in a positive way to get a player onto the pitch, or made it clear how much we love a player (cf Alonso, not that it worked in the end)

 

And Lucas realising he will never make it, and Benitez being aware that lots of fans think he is fucking shite, may hurry his departure.

 

That said, still wouldn't boo him.

[nibbler]

I abhor booing Liverpool players at the game. It's not nice.

 

But sometimes - and this is not a defence - positive or negative crowd reaction can help sway decisions.

 

We've done it plenty of times in a positive way to get a player onto the pitch, or made it clear how much we love a player (cf Alonso, not that it worked in the end)

 

And Lucas realising he will never make it, and Benitez being aware that lots of fans think he is fucking shite, may hurry his departure.

 

That said, still wouldn't boo him.

 

You think the consensus view of a bunch of cunts who boo their own players is something that should sway the view of one of Europe's top managers on the abilities of a player?

 

I neither think it should or, in Rafa's case, that it does.

[aws]

He's not (and probably never will be) good enough to be first choice but he's improved steadily since he arrived, played a part in some good victories last season and is starting to look a decent squad player. I think it would be madness to sell him to recoup a few million quid when we have just lost Alonso and have no idea how Aquilani will perform.

 

I'd only sell him this summer if we had a guaranteed better player coming in his place.

[OnizukaEikichi]

Atm no, he is a solid backup player with experience in PL.

[GJM]

I've said before that Lucas would need better players than him to leave the club in order for him to even have a chance of making it longer-term. Well, they have (or at least one has), and his replacement is untested in this team, in this league. So, he has a chance.

 

Personally, I don't see him making the huge step up in performance that would be required to make him more than just a night watchman, until Aquillani has adapted (or until he doesn't and we have to buy somebody else instead), but it does not make sense to sell him at the current time.

[redrosetints]

Expecting a heated debate here but I for one dont want to see Lucas go. He is still at the potentail stage but he is just finding his feet. He was the backing of the manager and if he is willing to work hard I think he can become a first team regular maybe as an understudy to Aqua Man.

 

I dont get why we would want to go as that mean his football would have taken one step foward two steps back.

 

Does anyone on here would like to see him go for a small profit?

 

At the end of the season, I wanted Xabi and Masch to stay and Barry to come in for Lucas. Giving us three top class midfielders who were all slightly different.

 

I've often defended Lucas on here, but after two seasons he just seems to be too much of an inbetweener. He is not a replacement for Masch, nor for Xabi. For me he is a solid player, certainly not the gimp some make out, he does lots of things well, but not exceptionally well, which is what we need.

 

However, Id give him time if he could do one of the most basic things well and thats tackle. Early last season someone, I think it was Philly, said he didnt like the constant silly fouls Lucas gave away and after that i noticed them much more. He was great at Newcastle and PSV around Xmas, giving a fantastic display of passing and controlling the play but then ruined it with the Everton sending off and the Wigan penalty. Both given away through crude, poor challenges, which he had no right making in the way he did.

 

Given his pedigree, you may argue he needs time, but for me two seasons is enough and I htink its clear he just doesnt have the pace, of foot or brain, to make it in our league.

 

I think it was a worthwhile gamble, 6m for a 19 yr old brazilain payer of the year could have been an absolute steal and perhaps, he will still prove me wrong at Anfield, but I suspect if he is going to make it he needs to be in a calmer environment, where he can make a bigger impact.

 

Good luck to him and if he starts Vs Spurs he'll get my full support, but when you start looking at teh likes of Cattermole, as a superior 3rd choice, then you know Lucas has a mountain to climb. Much as I like Speo, I think its too soon for him to be 3rd choice, so if Lucas goes we need someone else in (Cattermole as a 3rd choice would be ok IMHO) but Lucas either needs to stand up and be counted this season (WC year maybe he will) or he needs to move on.

[Thants]

There's magic in Lucas and I hope he shows it this year.

[bossy]

I'm sitting on the fence although I don't rate him. Let's see what happens but I'm not optimistic.

[redrosetints]

I abhor booing Liverpool players at the game. It's not nice.

 

But sometimes - and this is not a defence - positive or negative crowd reaction can help sway decisions.

 

We've done it plenty of times in a positive way to get a player onto the pitch, or made it clear how much we love a player (cf Alonso, not that it worked in the end)

 

And Lucas realising he will never make it, and Benitez being aware that lots of fans think he is fucking shite, may hurry his departure.

 

That said, still wouldn't boo him.

 

Booing players/teams/managers is never, ever acceptable. Small time is what it is.

[paddyberger15]

He's not (and probably never will be) good enough to be first choice but he's improved steadily since he arrived, played a part in some good victories last season and is starting to look a decent squad player. I think it would be madness to sell him to recoup a few million quid when we have just lost Alonso and have no idea how Aquilani will perform.

 

I'd only sell him this summer if we had a guaranteed better player coming in his place.

 

Don't you ever get tired of being right, you smug, mattress inhabiting cunt.