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West Ham 2 Liverpool 2 (Apr 27 2024)

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How much worse is this going to get? I had hoped that Goodison would be rock bottom but if anything this is worse. Not because of the result or even the performance, but because of the lack of a bounce back, the drama and the sadness we’re all feeling as everything just falls apart around Jurgen. It’s fucking miserable and for him to be going out like this is just awful.

 

I’ll get to all the Salah stuff later, but that was just the fly on top of the shit. The performance wasn’t terrible but it was nowhere good enough under the circumstances either, especially the first half (where have we heard that before?). I wasn’t surprised because I’ve gone past the point of expecting this team to bounce back and show some real fight and desire. If they can go to Goodison and be as meek and pathetic as they were then why should we expect any kind of response?

 

We didn’t get a response, even if we were the better side and controlled the first half. The reason for that was because West Ham are on the beach now having been knocked out of Europe. They shipped five last week, so the fear was that they’d come out firing and looking to make amends for that. They didn’t, they were even less intense than we were.

 

So we started fairly brightly and had a few openings we might have done more with. It looked like we’d been awarded a penalty at one point but it turns out Diaz was offside in the build up. He was the one bright spark again. Say what you want about the lack of end product (no goals in six for him during this awful run we’ve had) but at least he doesn’t look scared and he’s carrying the fight whereas others have shrivelled like balls in the cold.

 

I thought Gravenberch was quite lively too and this is the most involved he’s been in a game in ages. He wasn’t anything special but he did some nice things and was generally positive. Robbo was fine too. So the left side of the team was ok, but the right and the centre weren’t giving us much.

 

And then we conceded the obligatory stupid goal to fall a goal behind. Defending set-pieces is matter of effort, desire and wanting to attack the ball. We haven’t had enough of that recently. If they bypass Virgil then we’re vulnerable. The other night it was Trent just watching Calvert-Lewin storm in to score, this time it’s Gakpo not handling a player he’s half a foot taller than. Quansah to some extent too, but whoever you want to blame the bottom line is that Bowen shouldn’t be winning headers in our box. He’s not Calvert-Lewin for fucks sake.

 

As usual, we improved after the half time team talk and the start of the second half was really good. We had them penned back, we were getting runners into the box and putting loads of pressure on them. We got a goal fairly quickly when Robbo popped up in the centre forward position and produced a sharp little touch and finish that caught the keeper flat footed.

 

Robbo looked like he wanted to put the entire team on his back in that second half, he was popping up everywhere. In this bad run the only thing he’s been guilty of is a chronic lack of quality in the final third. I’ve said before that they all have blood on their hands, in Robbo’s case it’s more of a splatter on his clothing whereas some others are positively dripping in it.


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"Who Cares Anyway"

 

Was exactly how I saw it on Saturday. The performance didnt over exceed any expectations that I had on the game and wasnt an enjoyable watch; 

 

However- How nice was it just not caring if we won. Not being an emotional wreck; praying for the ball to cross the line. The relief after a goal scored or your stomach in knots when the opposition scored. It was nice being emotionally free from it all. 

 

We have secured CL football for the new guy and he has grounds to develop this team. 100% its so sad for Klopp to go out this way but I am very much looking forward to that final whistle going against Wolves and letting the man go with Dignity. Cause at the moment we are making things very ugly for the man we all love. 

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Agree that Mo is still carrying an injury but surely that cant explain some of his passing and shooting that have resembled someone whos never played the game.

Maybe the Saudi change of incoming players has made him regret not moving?

Klopp looks absolutely broken now. Its so sad.

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The Taylor thing was astonishing. I can't beleive some journos havent been all over it, bjt then their first instinct has always been to defend PGMOL. It's patently not fit for purpose, but it won't change unless the PL as a whole kiks up a fuss.

 

As for our best refs, probably Madley and Sian Massey should be going. 

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I know this season is pretty much done now, and to be honest, I don’t see us getting anything against Spurs or Villa to be honest, (not the way we’ve been playing anyway), but I would really like the club to push the Taylor thing until an explanation is forthcoming, as it was so bizarre.

We’ve had far too many of these things go against us now for it to be just coincidence, and if for no other reason than to give Slot, or whoever, a decent chance of not being similarly shafted, we should push for an explanation and ensure the league and the PGMOL know we’ll be following these things up in the future every time they happen.

Incompetence is not an excuse, in any other walk of life it is not accepted and generally leads to the sack, why should we accept it and just carry on?
Sometime ago I said we should keep a dossier of decisions that go for and against us and use it to try and keep Webb and his cohorts on their toes, because someone has to challenge these fuckers.

Ordinarily I’d say kicking up against authority just lands you further in the shit, but enough is enough.

 

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Re the Joelinton scenario when Taylor played a non-existent advantage….. was it much different to this incident from Saturday in the Hull Ipswich game, where the ref plays advantage…. and subsequently books Tusnzebe for the foul? Or are the rules different in the Championship? 

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The report sums it up. Short of one of the players whipping out a 9mm and shooting someone àla The Last Boy Scout, pretty much everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and I’m done with it. I can’t bear looking at Klopp at the moment as it’s clear he’s broken, I only hope he that takes enough time to get his head clear because it genuinely looks like his health has suffered over the last few years. Supporting Liverpool (since 1974) is brilliant and a head-fuck in equal measures…

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We just have to give Jurgen a good send off now, I know it's been hard recently, especially the way we've not grasped the opportunity, but you have to start looking back over the last 9 years and that kind of makes me feel a whole lot better and grateful for what we have had. Lets win the last few games and get a points total in the 80's, that would be no mean feat considering all of the injuries and abysmal refereeing we've had to put up with.

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I'm gutted about how fucked Klopp looks, I'm wondering if the Covid era has caught up with him, as it has many in many walks of life. Just made him re evaluate things. I hope he gets the r&r he needs and is back in football after the break, ideally away from this carragher, neville and gambling dominated media hellscape. Footy needs Klopp.

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Lately I've been angry and sickened by these players. The pod and these write ups give a sense of vindication that I'm not being a crank. I think there's been a pattern for a few years now where we don't respond well to setbacks. The times we do its never a stubborn fight where they're angry at losing though, usually we scrape by with a whimper.

 

The big glaring underlying issue is mentality. There's a BIG concern in HOW bad we can be when we're not on our game. I think you judge ability by how BAD your worst is, not now good your best is as even weak sides are capable of playing well. No excuse for the level of sloppiness on the ball and the weakness off it.

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31 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I'm gutted about how fucked Klopp looks, I'm wondering if the Covid era has caught up with him, as it has many in many walks of life. Just made him re evaluate things. I hope he gets the r&r he needs and is back in football after the break, ideally away from this carragher, neville and gambling dominated media hellscape. Footy needs Klopp.

He looks really miserable lately. Looks like he's about to cry. It's horrible to see and that's the main reason I'm pissed off with the players. Dickheads.

 

They love the positive attention but when it's tough or there's criticism you see how weak the egos are.

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I also wonder whether football has adapted and our edge is gone. We dominated with the counter press and front foot attacking approach on the ball. All teams now press well so your edge is reduced right away, have we failed to adapt to that change to give us an advantage again?

 

I've thought for a while too that we've tried to change our play on the ball but we don't have the technical players for it. We're very one footed as well and because of that we can be predictable. We may create a lot of 'chances' but they're usually low quality where the forward has so little space that if they don't hit it really fucking early then its blocked or an easy save. We lack intelligence as a team and can't adapt to situations.

 

We overly rely on emotion but when that's taken away you're left with a shell that crumbles easily.

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I haven't seen the Taylor incident but it sounds bizarre and it should be headline news. The journos seem to lay off PGMOL perhaps because they fear they'll be accused of whipping it up for the guys who ref at park level on Saturday and Sunday. Anyone with an eye to see has recognised the standard of reffing has been poor and that PGMOL should be under close scrutiny. It seems to be to be an organisation that is institutionally incompetent and it should be receiving the same degree of scrutiny that the similarly afflicted Metropolitan Police gets.

As for Salah, as you point out it's not unique. I can remember Roger Hunt, one of our very best players and arguably with better figures than Salah, getting subbed in the late 60s, tearing his shirt off and throwing it to the ground before storming off down the tunnel. I do wonder what today's social media would make of that? Hunt was coming towards the end of his time here then, as perhaps Salah is. I suppose the other point is that it shows Salah was disappointed to be dropped and still confident that he could come on and influence the game. At least he seems to care.

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4 hours ago, TheSire said:

I also wonder whether football has adapted and our edge is gone. We dominated with the counter press and front foot attacking approach on the ball. All teams now press well so your edge is reduced right away, have we failed to adapt to that change to give us an advantage again?

 

I've thought for a while too that we've tried to change our play on the ball but we don't have the technical players for it. We're very one footed as well and because of that we can be predictable. We may create a lot of 'chances' but they're usually low quality where the forward has so little space that if they don't hit it really fucking early then its blocked or an easy save. We lack intelligence as a team and can't adapt to situations.

 

We overly rely on emotion but when that's taken away you're left with a shell that crumbles easily.

 

This season we lost the ability to play badly and scrape a win. You get about a dozen games like that a season if you win a league. 

 

Feels like we have to be at full pelt the whole 90 or we're fucked.

 

Klopp is a phenomenon in a way, pretty much every player we let go goes to shit. He gets them pumping when they're here and they win through putting in the sheer yards.

 

I'm sort of longing for an old school approach now though. A right back who doesn't drift into central midfield, a proper dm, a striker who's good in the box. One nil wins among the 5 nil hammerings.

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3 hours ago, Frank Dacey said:

As for Salah, as you point out it's not unique. I can remember Roger Hunt, one of our very best players and arguably with better figures than Salah, getting subbed in the late 60s, tearing his shirt off and throwing it to the ground before storming off down the tunnel.

 

Absolute rubbish, Frank, it was just very itchy.

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20 hours ago, Anubis said:

The Taylor thing was astonishing. I can't beleive some journos havent been all over it, bjt then their first instinct has always been to defend PGMOL. It's patently not fit for purpose, but it won't change unless the PL as a whole kiks up a fuss.

 

As for our best refs, probably Madley and Sian Massey should be going. 

 

Looking at the spelling on show I was clearly under the influence of alcohol when I wrote this.

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1 hour ago, Anubis said:

 

Looking at the spelling on show I was clearly under the influence of alcohol when I wrote this.


I just assume everyone on here is drunk all the time.

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"a spell of West Ham pressure eventually ended with Antonio heading in Bowen’s well flighted cross"

 

I am absolutely sick to death of not being able to weather even the tiniest of storms. We never seem to get away with it. And i don't mean that as in we're unlucky. We just can't get our shit together. West Ham had barely been in our half, but then Quansah (i think) makes a loose pass, Endo lingers on the ball on the edge of the box and gets tackled, which results in Alisson making a save. And they score from the resulting corner. 

 

Likewise the second, errors that lead to a bit of pressure and an effort on goal, we never gain back control of settle ourselves..  ball gets recycled, cross, goal. It's pathetic.

 

Same at Goodison. Concede a soft free kick and never regain composure. Ball bounces about, we shit ourselves, half clear, never properly deal with it, cross comes in again, goal.

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On 30/04/2024 at 13:02, terry symes said:

"a spell of West Ham pressure eventually ended with Antonio heading in Bowen’s well flighted cross"

 

I am absolutely sick to death of not being able to weather even the tiniest of storms. We never seem to get away with it. And i don't mean that as in we're unlucky. We just can't get our shit together. West Ham had barely been in our half, but then Quansah (i think) makes a loose pass, Endo lingers on the ball on the edge of the box and gets tackled, which results in Alisson making a save. And they score from the resulting corner. 

 

Likewise the second, errors that lead to a bit of pressure and an effort on goal, we never gain back control of settle ourselves..  ball gets recycled, cross, goal. It's pathetic.

 

Same at Goodison. Concede a soft free kick and never regain composure. Ball bounces about, we shit ourselves, half clear, never properly deal with it, cross comes in again, goal.

We've been shit at clearing danger for  while. Braindead passes straight out to the opposition and there's never a man in a red shirt to pick it up.

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14 minutes ago, TheSire said:

We've been shit at clearing danger for  while. Braindead passes straight out to the opposition and there's never a man in a red shirt to pick it up.

 

Sometimes I think we are far too casual and tippy tappy, playing suicide balls on the edge of our box. Occasionally when under pressure there is no shame in getting the ball out of play so you can re-group.

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4 hours ago, sir roger said:

 

Sometimes I think we are far too casual and tippy tappy, playing suicide balls on the edge of our box. Occasionally when under pressure there is no shame in getting the ball out of play so you can re-group.

Yeah I think doing anything 100% of the time can be exploited (say insisting on playing one twos to counter from corners) if teams set up well against you. Some balance is needed, especially now with the amount of data analysis closing the gap in quality between teams.

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2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Help if Quansah looked at what he was fucking doing some times. He may be young that doesn't excuse being an imbecile. Aside from that he's good.

Aside from the United game I can't remember any issues to be fair.

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That's the only genuine mistake I can remember him making. I think he's been incredible all things considered. Very excited by him.

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