Keir Starmer

[Bruce Spanner]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

You've sort of proved my point with your first sentence, you are 100% right their is a select band who will never be keen to let it blow over.  Starmer in going to ridiculous lengths to placate their thirst is imo making the same mistake Corbyn made. 

 

As for your last sentence of purge and move on I'm not sure it'll be that easy or that quick or have the desired outcome. The chart I gave earlier/below shows the scale up until now and sadly it looks like getting a lot worse in the near future. The 30 that nominated Starmer in 2020 is sore reading for Labours leader.

 

 

Not really as there’s no way to equate the two. 
 

The engagement with CLP at councillor level and at meetings are minuscule in relation to the amount of members within that area that vote in leadership contests.

 

So a few shouting isn’t anywhere near the full picture, it’s councils who have been stuffed with new members, and vocal supporters of Corbyn, shouting the loudest.

 

There’s real division, but this only offers a flawed, biased insight.

 

If there was another leadership election tomorrow Starmer would still walk it, rightly or wrongly.

 

[sir roger]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

I suspect Corbyn doesn't care though, which is why he's starting to get on my tits. This is where I can't abide this fallacy that he somehow embodies the true soul of the labour party and it's somehow being stolen away from him, he clearly hates the version of the labour party that came before and after him, or at best  tolerates it, it's a flag of convenience for him at best and his greatest desire wasn't to win power, but to change the party into what he thought it should be.

That is just cobblers , Corbyn has been in the party for 54 years so he is certainly playing the long game as a sleeper.

 

He accepted that the EHRC recommendations needed to be instigated in full but gave his own ( pretty reasonable ) comments regarding people overstating the A/S issue in the party seeing as most of the press were making the report an anti-Corbyn story. His right to do this was enshrined in the EHRC report so why shouldnt he give his view ?. He does not appear to have broken any Labour party rules and a non-Corbyn supporting discipilnary committee acting under legal advice found he had no case to answer.

 

Starmer has clearly decided that purging the left will be a vote-winner and that closing down members' democracy is a price he is happy to pay, and as leader that is totally up to him, but you can fuck off with your Corbyn bad / Starmer good shit on this issue.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

I doubt he wants to purge the left. Just Corbynistas. 

[sir roger]

A very convenient clarification.

[Jairzinho]

Starmer must have known this would happen so you have to assume he doesn't really give a fuck.

 

I suppose with an election four years away he's happy enough to have this war now.

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, sir roger said:

A very convenient clarification.

How so?

 

4 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Starmer must have known this would happen so you have to assume he doesn't really give a fuck.

 

I suppose with an election four years away he's happy enough to have this war now.

Yeah, I think that’s it. Get it done and out of the way now. 

[Rico1304]

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

22 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

 

It’s going to take a while. I think it’ll bounce around the 40s for a while, meaning one poll one week will show Labour at 38 and Tories 40 then it’ll switch and then back. Those who voted Brexit are going to hold on for quite a while. It’s going to take another two or three years for Labour to really get this shit back on track, if at all. Fucking state of the place at the moment. 
 

I wouldn’t read into this sort of stuff too much. 38-40% are going to vote Tory no matter what. 36% at an absolute fucking minimum. It could be Tory Hitler vs Ghandi and Hitler would be will into the high 30s. Labour need to come up with something special and get into a coalition. As with the (misleading) Corbyn was ‘so close’ to being PM, it’s winning first swing at a coalition or voting agreement. 
 

Burn it down. 

[Section_31]

It's the shift in voter profile I'd be interested in seeing more research on. Percentage of tory support is holding steady but the profile of voter is changing, same in the States I think.

 

Middle class money is going to the other parties while the 'right' is relying more and more on the disgruntled working class, almost a full about face.

 

You wonder though how long the latter can last, the more obvious it becomes that their new team don't give a fuck. Stubborn pride can only take you so far.

[Numero Veinticinco]

30 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It's the shift in voter profile I'd be interested in seeing more research on. Percentage of tory support is holding steady but the profile of voter is changing, same in the States I think.

 

Middle class money is going to the other parties while the 'right' is relying more and more on the disgruntled working class, almost a full about face.

 

You wonder though how long the latter can last, the more obvious it becomes that their new team don't give a fuck. Stubborn pride can only take you so far.

Shout tax cut and they swing back. There’s no mature policy making on. I think Labour will end up going negative. Pointing to the economy, to COVID, to Brexit and it’s impact. They’ll likely play on Tory incompetence. Start banging on about credit cards, and death tolls, and negotiating failures. It might be enough to get them where they need to go. We can all sit here and debate what’s good and right and what’s fair on Corbyn or if Starmer is purging the left, but the truth is the general populace is driven by ignorance of politics. Selling yourself to an electorate should be about your policies and your views, but it’ll end up being about aoundbites and whether or not ‘they fancy a change’. That’s what happened with Labour really. Painted as running up debt, painted as incompetent, and ‘they’ve been in power for 13 years’. Oh, and a fresh face. 

 

[Gnasher]

On 12/12/2020 at 16:35, Numero said:

It’s going to take a while. I think it’ll bounce around the 40s for a while, meaning one poll one week will show Labour at 38 and Tories 40 then it’ll switch and then back. Those who voted Brexit are going to hold on for quite a while. It’s going to take another two or three years for Labour to really get this shit back on track, if at all. Fucking state of the place at the moment. 
 

I wouldn’t read into this sort of stuff too much. 38-40% are going to vote Tory no matter what. 36% at an absolute fucking minimum. It could be Tory Hitler vs Ghandi and Hitler would be will into the high 30s. Labour need to come up with something special and get into a coalition. As with the (misleading) Corbyn was ‘so close’ to being PM, it’s winning first swing at a coalition or voting agreement. 
 

Burn it down. 

I remember (a good few years ago late 80s maybe) the tories used to always be around the 30-33% mark. Possibly because the Lib Dems were not so unpopular, not that it's any relevance and neither is this, 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit. Heres Johnsons 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I'm not going to lie, I really do expect a Labour leader to call out brazen, overt white supremacism when it crops up. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/labourlewis/status/1338468008369532929

[sir roger]

Forde enquiry been delayed and not expected to report until after next years local elections, what a surprise.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, sir roger said:

Forde enquiry been delayed and not expected to report until after next years local elections, what a surprise.

What’s the reason? 

[sir roger]

The website says more evidence than expected and assimilating the EHRC report , but going to be 13/14 months from start at least now and they recently suggested that it was expected by Xmas.

[Bjornebye]

He asked Johnson just then how he can justify a freeze on Army and Police pay yet give Cumming who breached lockdown rules a 40k pay-rise. Great question. Guess what, the PM ignored it and waffled a load of shite. Why isn't Starmer asking the speaker to tell him to answer the fucking question? He asks good questions but then lets the PM waffle shite without challenging it. 

[RedKnight]

That's PMQs, they never give a straight answer. It's all pantomime.

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, RedKnight said:

That's PMQs, they never give a straight answer. It's all pantomime.

True. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

I thought that was one of his better ones today. He had Johnson looking more incompetent than usual. That said, I just don’t think PMQs matters to anybody outside of those who already give a shit and know which way they’ll vote. 
 

Starmer is looking a big chubby around the gills these days. Too many mince pies or is lockdown catching up with him? 

[Captain Turdseye]

Fancy dinners every night with hedge-fund managers and the metropolitan elite. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

Fancy dinners every night with hedge-fund managers and the metropolitan elite. 

 
I’ve heard they serve 15 courses on Murdock’s yacht and he’s been on it for weeks...

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 
I’ve heard they serve 15 courses on Murdock’s yacht and he’s been on it for weeks...

Nice work if you can get it. 

[mattyq]

58 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Fancy dinners every night with hedge-fund managers and the metropolitan elite. 

He's literally eating the poor and any proper Socialist he can get his hands on

I read it in The Canary so it must be true

Cannibal Starmer kills and eats the Proletariat for fun and nutrition

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, mattyq said:

He's literally eating the poor and any proper Socialist he can get his hands on

I read it in The Canary so it must be true

Cannibal Starmer kills and eats the Proletariat for fun and nutrition

Who doesn’t want to be part of that tribe?

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, RedKnight said:

That's PMQs, they never give a straight answer. It's all pantomime.

Oh no it’s not.