Keir Starmer

[Duff Man]

British politics summed up in two posts, right there.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Not the current ones though, as they're utter cunts.

Right, this sounds like you don’t think Priti Patel should be the one talking about anti-bullying. What next, Johnson not being the race relations advocate? Disgusting. 

[Bruce Spanner]

9 minutes ago, Numero said:

Right, this sounds like you don’t think Priti Patel should be the one talking about anti-bullying. What next, Johnson not being the race relations advocate? Disgusting. 

Munira Mirza has the race equality gig already.

 

I quote ‘“Race is no longer the significant disadvantage it is often portrayed to be”’

 

We got the right woman for the job right here.

[Section_31]

This sounds like a slight overreaction.

 

Interestingly, the guy who keeps resharing these on my Facebook feed (who's a top bloke) was a green who joined Labour when Corbyn became leader but is now a green again. Which is why I'm alwaya dubious when people talk of a "purge of the left". A great may supporters of Corbyn i suspect don't and didn't actually like the Labour party, only what they hoped it'd become.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Recursive antisemitism. If a Jew calls another Jew an antisemite, they’re an antisemite, which would make whoever was calling them an antisemite an antisemite, then whoever...

Imagine inheriting this shit. 

 

[sir roger]

But the ones being thrown out of the party are not asking for action against the ones who are making the allegations are they ? Anyway I'm sure the 11 jewish people signing the comment will appreciate that you can decipher anti-semitism better than them and that the main thing is that Starmer is not discommoded.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, sir roger said:

But the ones being thrown out of the party are not asking for action against the ones who are making the allegations are they ? Anyway I'm sure the 11 jewish people signing the comment will appreciate that you can decipher anti-semitism better than them and that the main thing is that Starmer is not discommoded.

What?

[Gnasher]

 

[skend04]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

They must be polling some right cunts then.

[Mudface]

27 minutes ago, skend04 said:

They must be polling some right cunts then.

They are, it's a group called the UK adult population.

[Kevin D]

I said earlier that I'm not going to vote for Labour, as Corbyn swayed me from my usual SNP vote.

 

I've now made my mind up about Starmer. Sharp, well credentialed lawyer and has fairly solid political instincts, but I'm not going to vote for a party that he's the head of.

 

He is entirely entitled to take the last general election result as a repudiation of left-wing politics/messaging and make his way around that. I think that's a reasonable conclusion and a fair way to stop us being subjected to permanent Johnson/Sunak/Patel/Gove rule.

 

But it isn't the conclusion I've drawn of watching global politics in the last 20 years. Good luck to him in trying to get the red wall back and negotiating those lib/lab marginals - he is, at least, a competent man who knows right from wrong.

[Numero Veinticinco]

 

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, Numero said:

 

A couple of points on the above graph. Labour were without a leader for five months before Starmer took over. Corbyn resigned on Dec 15, after which Johnson unsurprisingly enjoyed a honeymoon period. Labour and the Tories were pretty much neck and neck for the two years between 2017-19. Also an argument could be made that a poll showing the gap from the day off the election minus the people who switched to the Conservatives simply because of Brexit would give a more accurate distance between the parties.

 

Not to deny Starmer making a good steady start but their are factors to be taking into account.

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Did you read the article? 

[skend04]

49 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A couple of points on the above graph. Labour were without a leader for five months before Starmer took over. Corbyn resigned on Dec 15, after which Johnson unsurprisingly enjoyed a honeymoon period. Labour and the Tories were pretty much neck and neck for the two years between 2017-19. Also an argument could be made that a poll showing the gap from the day off the election minus the people who switched to the Conservatives simply because of Brexit would give a more accurate distance between the parties.

 

Not to deny Starmer making a good steady start but their are factors to be taking into account.

 

 

 

Corbyn was leader right up to April 2020. Those shite polling figures are under his tenure. All he said was that he wouldn't lead Labour at the next election.

[mattyq]

3 hours ago, Kevin D said:

I said earlier that I'm not going to vote for Labour, as Corbyn swayed me from my usual SNP vote.

 

I've now made my mind up about Starmer. Sharp, well credentialed lawyer and has fairly solid political instincts, but I'm not going to vote for a party that he's the head of.

 

He is entirely entitled to take the last general election result as a repudiation of left-wing politics/messaging and make his way around that. I think that's a reasonable conclusion and a fair way to stop us being subjected to permanent Johnson/Sunak/Patel/Gove rule.

 

But it isn't the conclusion I've drawn of watching global politics in the last 20 years. Good luck to him in trying to get the red wall back and negotiating those lib/lab marginals - he is, at least, a competent man who knows right from wrong.

Interested how you came to this conclusion

I recall that you voted Yes in the Indy Ref so I can see why you'd go back to the SNP and, from down here, Sturgeon seems to be a good leader and at least competent in Government whilst Scot Lab seem to be useless

But, Corbyn, for all his faults had a proper Socialist view on Nationalism being that it's a regressive and pernicious ideology not compatible with an essentially Internationalist world view that your Socialist takes

How do you reconcile the 2 beliefs? The SNP, again from down here, seem to be a middle of the road Social Democratic party at the moment far removed from what a Jeremy Corbyn led Government would look like.

They'll never be Socialist so why support them?

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, Numero said:

Did you read the article? 

The Walker article? Yes. A couple of the points he makes seem a little fanciful ie he seems to suggest the covid situation favours the government, I understand his  general point but with this government I'm not so sure, from Barnard castle to the number of deaths I dont think the tories have had a bounce. I do agree with him that the vaccine could see tory support rise.

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, skend04 said:

Corbyn was leader right up to April 2020. Those shite polling figures are under his tenure. All he said was that he wouldn't lead Labour at the next election.

Technically he was but he announced his resignation after the election. The labour party then had a leadership contest that seemed to go on forever. Why would an undecided swing voter tell a polling company they would vote Labour whilst not knowing who the new leader was going to be?

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The Walker article? Yes. A couple of the points he makes seem a little fanciful ie he seems to suggest the covid situation favours the government, I understand his  general point but with this government I'm not so sure, from Barnard castle to the number of deaths I dont think the tories have had a bounce. I do agree with him that the vaccine could see tory support rise.

Well, this isn't so much fanciful as it is an observed phenomena throughout the world. I understand it doesn't quite make things as rosy for Corbs but it doesn't mean it's fanciful. 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Numero said:

Well, this isn't so much fanciful as it is an observed phenomena throughout the world. I understand it doesn't quite make things as rosy for Corbs but it doesn't mean it's fanciful. 

Yeah I agree it's an observed phenomenon throughout the world but as the Tory handling of Covid has been so bad I'm not convinced by the authors opinion that it makes Labours poll rating even more impressive.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Yeah I agree it's an observed phenomenon throughout the world but as the Tory handling of Covid has been so bad I'm not convinced by the authors opinion that it makes Labours poll rating even more impressive.

A hunch?

[Bjornebye]

The closer chance of ousting this bunch of absolute cunts is Labour. They could put Phillip Schofield in charge and I’d still vote for them. Anyone anyone but these fuckers they are taking our lives from us right in-front if our faces and bragging about it. 

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Numero said:

A hunch?

There is polling on the government response to covid, I believe the results are fairly 50/50 although I dont have them to hand. The pandemic didnt help trump regain power though his response to Covid has been as bad or worse than ours. Not sure it's a given that Covid has helped the tories in the polls although I may be wrong.

[Gnasher]

This Labour purge enters the dark side of the moon

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

52 minutes ago, Numero said:

A hunch?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/new-poll-how-voters-rate-the-government-s-coronavirus-response