Keir Starmer

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

You say standards, I say excuses. 

You say logic, I say whataboutery. 

 

Let's call the whole thing a thoroughly nice chap, and doesn’t matter what race he is. 

Oh lawdy, the cage has been rattled. What excuse have I made? I already called the guy a dickhead. Far from whataboutery (and you would know what a tu quoque fallacy is if it smashed you in the communist manifesto), I’m saying that I stick up for Corbyn against the guilt-by-association bullshit and have to have the same standard for Starmer. If you want to talk about this David dickhead, I’ll say that he’s a dickhead. I already did. Attempting to stick up for hypocrisy by shouting whataboutery is vacuous. 
 

Do you have anything productive to say or are you just here to be, well, a twat. 

[Duff Man]

14 minutes ago, Numero said:

To clarify, I wasn’t saying and didn’t think for a second you were. It’s why this story has come up though. There’s been a couple of things recently. It’s a terrible tactic because it’s essentially only going to convince those who already seem to think he’s Satan’s more evil brother. Others will either see that it’s hideous or actually think ‘one of us, one of us, one of us’. 

It may be why some people are pushing it, but the Graun wouldn't pick it up if there was nothing actually there. Abrahams comments are objectively bad, and he's clearly an embarrassment who the leader of the Labour party shouldn't be associating himself with him. It's a fuck-up, imo, but I suspect it comes down to nothing more than Starmer/his team just not doing their due diligence on the guy.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

It may be why some people are pushing it, but the Graun wouldn't pick it up if there was nothing actually there. Abrahams comments are objectively bad, and he's clearly an embarrassment who the leader of the Labour party shouldn't be associating himself with him. It's a fuck-up, imo, but I suspect it comes down to nothing more than Starmer/his team just not doing their due diligence on the guy.

Yep, I’d imagine it was ‘sign these’, they were sent out, the money came in, then somebody who was digging found it. Same shit different day. The guy seems like a dickhead. Needs cutting loose, even just to shut things up. I bet they accept money off way bigger dickheads though. 
 

The reason I’m pissy over this subject is because I’ve been talking about campaign finance in the US and party donations in the UK for ages. I hate it, it’s filthy. My issue here is that if we only point it out when somebody we don’t like ends up with somebody doing something dodgy (and this isn’t anywhere near as bad as some other examples) then it undermines the whole thing. 

[Bjornebye]

Hang on, who is the twat here? Corbyn, Starmer or this David fella? 

[Duff Man]

2 minutes ago, Numero said:

Yep, I’d imagine it was ‘sign these’, they were sent out, the money came in, then somebody who was digging found it. Same shit different day. The guy seems like a dickhead. Needs cutting loose, even just to shut things up. I bet they accept money off way bigger dickheads though. 

Oh no fucking doubt, especially during the Blair years.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hang on, who is the twat here? Corbyn, Starmer or this David fella? 

Yes. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

9 minutes ago, Numero said:

Oh lawdy, the cage has been rattled. What excuse have I made? I already called the guy a dickhead. Far from whataboutery (and you would know what a tu quoque fallacy is if it smashed you in the communist manifesto), I’m saying that I stick up for Corbyn against the guilt-by-association bullshit and have to have the same standard for Starmer. If you want to talk about this David dickhead, I’ll say that he’s a dickhead. I already did. Attempting to stick up for hypocrisy by shouting whataboutery is vacuous. 
 

Do you have anything productive to say or are you just here to be, well, a twat. 

He's on one again! Haha. 

 

Have you considered speaking to someone about your anger issues? 

 

I just want you to drop the facade that you're an objective participator in these sort of discussions and that everyone else is some sort of idiot blinded by their devotion. You're coming across as exactly the same as the people you miserably try (but fail) to deride in these threads. You can rim General Indecision all you want. Just don't pretend that your special and different/more cleverer than everyone else. Your shit stinks too. And there's plenty of it on this forum to attack one's nostrils. Cunt. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Duff Man said:

Oh no fucking doubt, especially during the Blair years.

I added a paragraph after that BTW. I have a pet hate for political donations. It runs me the wrong way. I can only imagine what’s going on with the Tories. Blair would have been in every arsehole like a greased weasel. 

[Duff Man]

3 minutes ago, Numero said:

I added a paragraph after that BTW. I have a pet hate for political donations. It runs me the wrong way. I can only imagine what’s going on with the Tories. Blair would have been in every arsehole like a greased weasel. 

You'd find no disagreement with me over lobbying and the corporatisation of political parties.

[Numero Veinticinco]

13 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

He's on one again! Haha. 

 

Have you considered speaking to someone about your anger issues? 

 

I just want you to drop the facade that you're an objective participator in these sort of discussions and that everyone else is some sort of idiot blinded by their devotion. You're coming across as exactly the same as the people you miserably fail to deride in these threads. You can rim General Indecision all you want. Just don't pretend that your special and different/more cleverer than everyone else. Your shit stinks too. And there's plenty of it on this forum to attack one's nostrils. Cunt. 

Hahah. Perfect. Quoting Boris Johnson to attack the Labour leader because I said something nasty about the man you hero-worship is actually priceless. Is there any depth you’re unwilling to sink to in your haste to defend Corbyn? 
 

I’m going to derive from your post that you’re not here to say anything of value, just to demonstrate that you are a half-witted cunt interrupting a discussion because you are unable to actually add anything. You’re feeling a bit inferior, and there’s a reason for that; you are. 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

Perfect example of the Corbyn toxicity and how Kier should run a mile from him:

 

Right now, biggest public health announcement in about a century, live on BBC TV, and one of the repeating banner headlines underneath is 'PIERS CORBYN FOUND GUILTY OF BREACHING CORONAVIRUS REGULATIONS'.

 

BBC are fucking animals, that's not 'BREAKING NEWS' you roll out underneath a massive press conference.  It's opportune Labour-bashing through association.  

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Perfect example of the Corbyn toxicity and how Kier should run a mile from him:

 

Right now, biggest public health announcement in about a century, live on BBC TV, and one of the repeating banner headlines underneath is 'PIERS CORBYN FOUND GUILTY OF BREACHING CORONAVIRUS REGULATIONS'.

 

BBC are fucking animals, that's not 'BREAKING NEWS' you roll out underneath a massive press conference.  It's opportune Labour-bashing through association.  

 

 

Such bullshit. At least Rita Ora has tits. 

[clockspeed]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I'm sorry but most of the above is rubbish. You're playing the man and not the ball and its affecting your judgement.

 

To say Corbyn has never achieved anything as an mp is ludicrous. An mps job is A. To the national interest. B. To the constituents they represent and C. To the party they belong. In that order.

 

Whatever you think of Corbyn as a national leader the man has proved himself a popular and effective member of parliament in his constituency. That's not an opinion the voting figures he commands make it a fact. It's also an often overlooked fact that his nth London constituency has a massive Jewish population.

 

http://camdennewjournal.com/article/campaign-pays-off-as-victorian-jewish-burial-ground-earns-grade-ii-listing

 

As for his history in parliament, what about it?  So he rebelled against wars which cost thousands of lives. He campaigned and voted against privatisation in our health service and pushed for taking back control of public services. If that happened to be against his own party or the Tories that's the way he saw fit to vote and his constituents seemed to agree. As a local resident I'd say you could do a lot worse than having Corbyn as your member of parliament.

Ian paisley senior was the most effective constituency  MP for all his constituents regardless of religious affiliation. Yet called the head of the catholic church the anti christ in public. 

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Perfect example of the Corbyn toxicity and how Kier should run a mile from him:

 

Right now, biggest public health announcement in about a century, live on BBC TV, and one of the repeating banner headlines underneath is 'PIERS CORBYN FOUND GUILTY OF BREACHING CORONAVIRUS REGULATIONS'.

 

BBC are fucking animals, that's not 'BREAKING NEWS' you roll out underneath a massive press conference.  It's opportune Labour-bashing through association.  

 

 

daily mail comments section all calling Rita Ora a spoilt brat etc. The lawrence fox article though... Not only wasn't the article bashing him but the comments section was full of people praising him and downvoting anyone who called him a spoilt brat. 

 

There is nothing in the world more hypocritical than a middle class tory. 

2 minutes ago, clockspeed said:

Ian paisley senior was the most effective constituency  MP for all his constituents regardless of religious affiliation. Yet called the head of the catholic church the anti christ in public. 

He is an evil horrible cunt. 

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, clockspeed said:

Ian paisley senior was the most effective constituency  MP for all his constituents regardless of religious affiliation. Yet called the head of the catholic church the anti christ in public. 

Well you know swings and roundabouts and all that...

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well you know swings and roundabouts and all that...

Haha. Hitler liked art and animals. Give ‘im a break. 

[Gnasher]

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

What was she suspended for? 

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Numero said:

What was she suspended for? 

Being a socialist.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Being a socialist.

By Starmer personally? I need to know if I support it or not. Can’t be tribal without knowing what the tribe thinks. 
 

That video was eminently sensible, so it’ll be interesting to find out what ifs about. I see the usual suspects are running with scissors about it. 

[Bruce Spanner]

10 minutes ago, Numero said:

By Starmer personally? I need to know if I support it or not. Can’t be tribal without knowing what the tribe thinks. 
 

That video was eminently sensible, so it’ll be interesting to find out what ifs about. I see the usual suspects are running with scissors about it. 

For loving JC a bit to fiercely and repeating, well shouting, the same stuff JC was suspended for.

 

Seems like a normal day at the office in truth.
 

‘Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, a senior official in the Jewish Voice For Labour group, has been suspended by Labour following a JC report on her conduct in a meeting of Chingford and Woodford Green Labour Party.

The JC understands that Ms Wimborne-Idrissi, who is vice-chair of the East London CLP, and the chair, Gary Lafley, have been informed they are administratively suspended from Sir Keir Starmer’s party pending an investigation.

At Monday’s meeting of the local party, the JVL media officer had backed claims about the “weaponisation” of antisemitism allegations within Labour.

 

When members of the local Labour Party, including members of the Jewish Labour Movement, remarked that they were uncomfortable with the speeches by Ms Wimborne-Idrissi and the chair Mr Lafley, she wrote: “I’m just horrified to see people saying in the chat that they feel ‘uncomfortable’.

“I feel obliged to say well yeah, I feel uncomfortable that people are saying they’re uncomfortable. What is this? We are in a political party. We have views, some of them very strongly held.”

 

A further transcript of her speech at the online meeting confirms that she also criticised General Secretary David Evans’ move to protect Jewish members of the party by banning the discussion of pro-Jeremy Corbyn motions and discussion of the EHRC report in meetings, after reminding CLPs that the party had accepted the recommendations in full.

 

But  in her speech, Ms Wimborne-Idrissi said: “The idea – and I have to mention it – the idea that Jewish people require for their comfort that whole swathes of subjects should not be debated by the membership of this party is insulting to Jewish people.

“And I know there are some Jews in this meeting who will say ‘No No I think it’s wonderful.’ This is a dangerous road. Do we really want us Jewish members to be seen as gatekeepers – as people who prevent others from discussing issues of importance? This is serious stuff, comrades.”

 

Ms Wimborne-Idrissi also claimed it was allies of the former leader, such as herself, who now felt uncomfortable in the party.

She said: “Yes, I feel uncomfortable. I feel bloody uncomfortable seeing damned good comrades and friends of mine being suspended from this party for doing nothing more than trying to discuss the questions which led to Jeremy Corbyn’s unjust suspension – we know it was unjust because he was readmitted – and then the question of the whip being taken from him which is almost certainly unconstitutional in the party.”

 

As a leading figure in JVL, Ms Wimborne-Idrissi has regularly spoken out to defend Mr Corbyn over the antisemitism crisis under his leadership.

 

She provoked anger in the community in February 2019, attacking the decision of the former Labour MP Luciana Berger to quit the party over antisemitism.

Speaking on LBC radio she defended Mr Corbyn over his response to the antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets, which had been raised by Ms Berger.

 

Ms Wimborne-Idrissi said: "He thought the artist was being censored unfairly... If people were honest, including Luciana Berger, who dredged this up at the apposite moment to suit her anti-Corbyn agenda."

 

In a recent video, she claimed she was attacked for campaigning for the Palestinians with allegations she was  “the wrong type of Jew, not a proper Jew” and “a kapo”.

 

Meanwhile in his own speech at Monday’s meeting, chair Mr Lafley openly attacked the Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer in his speech.

He said: “It is Keir Starmer, not Jeremy Corbyn, who is in breach of party rules. It is Starmer, not Corbyn, who is in breach of the EHRC report, where Ch3 page 27 explicitly defends the rights of party members to question the scale of antisemitism within the Party, based on their experience.

 

“It is Starmer, not Corbyn, who is in breach of the Human Rights Act 1998. It is Starmer, not Corbyn, who is in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. And it is Starmer, not Corbyn, who has plunged the party into internecine warfare, when we should be exposing and combatting this vile class-driven, corrupt government, something we should have been doing for 11 months.”

 

The JC contacted Ms Wimborne-Idrissi and asked her to criticise Mr Lafley’s remarks, but she did not respond.

 

On Tuesday, Labour members confirmed to the JC that they considered the meeting to have been a “deeply unpleasant environment.” 

They criticised the “combative” speeches of both the chair and vice-chair which “opened the floodgates” to further aggressive speeches at the meeting.

 

An earlier message sent to all CLPs by Labour General Secretary Mr Evans had noted that “it has become clear that motions around this issue (including expressions of solidarity, views around the ongoing process in relation to the Parliamentary whip, and/or the power of the General Secretary or the NEC to issue guidance in relation to discussion of this issue) are providing a flashpoint for the expression of views that undermine the Labour Party’s ability to provide a safe and welcoming space for all members, in particular our Jewish members.

“Therefore all motions which touch on these issues must be ruled out of order.”

 

On Thursday a Labour spokesperson told the JC: “The Labour Party takes all complaints seriously and they are fully investigated in line with our rules and procedures and any appropriate action is taken.”

The JC contacted Ms Wimborne-Idrissi and Mr Lafley for comment on their suspension.’

 

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-suspends-senior-jvl-official-after-deeply-unpleasant-meeting-1.509331

 

 

 

[Section_31]

19 minutes ago, Numero said:

What was she suspended for? 

She endorsed a comment at a meeting that antisemitism had been weaponised against Labour, so basically the same thing that Corbyn was suspended for.

 

It's funny that a lot of these folks are doing what the likes of Riley and Oberman have been doing to them for years, the faux outrage rope a dope.

 

Riley would post a picture of Corbyn with a Hitler tash or something to elicit a reaction, then she'd get shit, then she'd be like "Oooh look at these vile Corbynistas piling on little old me."

 

It's similar shit from the other direction now thogh. Corbyn gets told not to talk about cheese, talks about cheese, gets banned for talking about cheese, social media and blogasphere swings into action with pictures of Corbyn cuddling rabbits and lamenting Starmer's unforgiving right wing iron grip on the party.

 

It's like that scene in jurassic Park where they stick a goat in the middle of the reserve. Starmer's on a whole different playing field than he's used to.

[Jairzinho]

Presumably this woman should be allowed to talk about cheese though.

 

Is cheese now banned?

 

Is that the sort of Labour Party you want?

[Scooby Dudek]

The executive of our CLP have cancelled the CLP because they have been told they are not allowed to talk about cheese, they know people will talk about cheese, which could lead to the executive being suspended, so they have instead suspended the meeting. 

 

Crackers.

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Presumably this woman should be allowed to talk about cheese though.

 

Is cheese now banned?

 

Is that the sort of Labour Party you want?

 

I'd Brie lying if I said no.