Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Jeremy Corbyn is on the brink of being deselected by Labour as MP for Islington North as it prepares to replace him with a new candidate.

 

Top party officials have held discussions on how best to remove the former Labour leader from the seat.

 

The Telegraph understands that Mr Corbyn wants the Labour whip restored and to continue as the MP for the seat.

 

He has been an independent MP since Oct 2020 after he said that the scale of complaints of anti-Semitism during his time as leader were “dramatically overstated”.

 

Mr Corbyn has been the constituency’s MP since 1983, and has seen much of the Constituency Labour Party (CLP) remain on the Left of the party since his election as leader over six years ago.

 

Alison McGarry, the chairman of the Islington North CLP, is a member of the Momentum group as well as trade unionist with Unite.

 

His deselection would currently come from his local party voting for a new contest to choose a candidate, which he would have to lose – something that would be unlikely to happen given his popularity in the area.

 

Despite this, a senior party insider told The Sunday Times that they are “determined to bring this to a head. The current position is not sustainable”, while a source close to Sir Keir Starmer said that Mr Corbyn’s time in the party was effectively over.

 

The Telegraph reported last month that Mr Corbyn was considering establishing his own political party after privately accepting that he would not have the whip reinstated.

 

Party insiders were understood earlier this year to be supportive of Mary Creagh, a former Labour MP for Wakefield who lost her seat in 2019, to stand against Mr Corbyn who presided over the election that cost her place in Parliament.

 

It comes as Labour continues to be involved in a public spat with the Unite union, one of its closest allies and biggest donors during Mr Corbyn’s tenure as leader.

 

Sharon Graham, the general secretary of Unite, said this week that it would be reviewing £1 million of its remaining funding, which could leave the party bankrupt.

 

A Labour spokesman said: “We have publicly set out the process required for Jeremy Corbyn to come back into the Parliamentary Labour Party. The ball is in his court.”

Cheers.

[Creator Supreme]

I take it this is part of Starmer's plan to unite the Labour Party?

 

I don't why Corbyn doesn't just fuck it all off and go and work on his allotment all day, surely he doesn't need this shit?

 

And I'm assuming Mary Creagh is on the right of the party?

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I take it this is part of Starmer's plan to unite the Labour Party?

 

I don't why Corbyn doesn't just fuck it all off and go and work on his allotment all day, surely he doesn't need this shit?

 

And I'm assuming Mary Creagh is on the right of the party?

Yep, lost her seat in Wakefield and took it very badly, judging by the clip below I don't think she's Corbs biggest fan,

 

 

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I take it this is part of Starmer's plan to unite the Labour Party?

 

I don't why Corbyn doesn't just fuck it all off and go and work on his allotment all day, surely he doesn't need this shit?

 

And I'm assuming Mary Creagh is on the right of the party?

Yep, lost her seat in Wakefield and took it very badly, judging by the clip below I don't think she's Corbs biggest fan,

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

38 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I take it this is part of Starmer's plan to unite the Labour Party?

I think his plan is to do what people have said Corbyn should have done, which is a purge. 

[Jack the Sipper]

Am I right in saying that, if Corbyn apologises for the comments he made when the report into antisemitism was published, then Labour have said they'll reinstate him?

[Captain Turdseye]

Numero, you’re quite clear in your message that the Corbynite members should suck it up and get behind Starmer. What do you think about the stuff going the other way? Left wing members getting suspended all over the place for the tiniest things? Shouldn’t Starmer’s team suck it up and accept that there’s a lot of lefties in the Labour Party?

 

Another thing that puzzles me is Starmer’s decision to do his big interview with The Sun. Last time I checked, this was a Liverpool FC website. With newspaper sales dwindling to a fraction of what they once were, what did he really have to gain by doing that?

[Creator Supreme]

30 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yep, lost her seat in Wakefield and took it very badly, judging by the clip below I don't think she's Corbs biggest fan,

 

 

Well pardon my French, but she comes across as a right cunt! She lost her seat, shouldn't she be looking in the mirror first when she's looking for reasons why?

[Numero Veinticinco]

39 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Numero, you’re quite clear in your message that the Corbynite members should suck it up and get behind Starmer. What do you think about the stuff going the other way? Left wing members getting suspended all over the place for the tiniest things? Shouldn’t Starmer’s team suck it up and accept that there’s a lot of lefties in the Labour Party?

 

Another thing that puzzles me is Starmer’s decision to do his big interview with The Sun. Last time I checked, this was a Liverpool FC website. With newspaper sales dwindling to a fraction of what they once were, what did he really have to gain by doing that?

On the first point, I don't buy the left wing witch hunt thing to be honest. I think they already accept there's a lot of lefties in the Labour party, they just don't put up with too much BS from them. As we saw this week, they don't put up with too much BS from anybody. 

 

The Sun, whilst I spit at it every opportunity I get from a personal perspective, you can surely see that a lot of people all over hte county read it. 

[Captain Turdseye]

10 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

On the first point, I don't buy the left wing witch hunt thing to be honest. I think they already accept there's a lot of lefties in the Labour party, they just don't put up with too much BS from them. As we saw this week, they don't put up with too much BS from anybody. 

 

The Sun, whilst I spit at it every opportunity I get from a personal perspective, you can surely see that a lot of people all over hte county read it. 

The Sun thing is almost unforgivable for me. He’ll have known how the people on or from Merseyside will have felt about it, and he’ll also have known that there’s no alternative to the Labour Party for them, so he did it anyway. 
 

Suck it up. 

[Rushies tash]

4 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

The Sun thing is almost unforgivable for me. He’ll have known how the people on or from Merseyside will have felt about it, and he’ll also have known that there’s no alternative for them to the Labour Party, so he did it anyway. 

Unfortunately, he'll have to appeal to a lot of the cunts who read that shite if they're going to get elected.

[torahboy]

At the party leadership hustings, at the Liverpool conference centre, that lying bastard Starmer drew a round of applause by stating that he wouldn't deal with the rag. To those now saying the party should unite behind Starmer, ask yourself where the lawyer's own loyalty was when Corbyn was leader. Now, Starmer's treatment of his predecessor has moved from political manoeuvring to pure, petulant, immature spite. The Labour Party as it is and, I presume, as Starmer and his acolytes will keep it, is not an electoral option for many misled socialists.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, torahboy said:

At the party leadership hustings, at the Liverpool conference centre, that lying bastard Starmer drew a round of applause by stating that he wouldn't deal with the rag. To those now saying the party should unite behind Starmer, ask yourself where the lawyer's own loyalty was when Corbyn was leader. Now, Starmer's treatment of his predecessor has moved from political manoeuvring to pure, petulant, immature spite. The Labour Party as it is and, I presume, as Starmer and his acolytes will keep it, is not an electoral option for many misled socialists.

I want to rep that but I’m scared it’ll get me suspended. 

[sir roger]

I've already wiped the Starmer dust off my shoes so I will do it for you.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

FWIW, here's the traitor having his say about Ukraine.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

‘To say bring anti-war is a weakness…’

 

Who is he talking about there? 
 

The sentiment is right in his video but the reality is Russia attacked somebody and continue to do so. Saying we should listen to those wanting peace is ideal, but not really practical when bombs are dropping. We all want it to end peacefully, but wanting isn’t enough.

[Section_31]

All ordinary people want peace and nuclear disarmament, but the Trident/NATO debate makes me think of a line from Deep Space Nine: 

 

"The Federation needs men like you, Doctor. Men of conscience, men of principle... men who can sleep at night. You're also the reason Section 31 exists. Someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong."

[SasaS]

The problem with Corbyn's video, apart from the empty rhetoric that we must talk and not make war (well, yeah) and the fact that yet again, he avoided the words "Russian aggression on Ukraine", is that he thinks negotiations should go back to what was allegedly promised 30 years ago, so, no NATO in the east, which is what the aggressor wants and which was done without consulting the wishes of people in the Ukraine, many of them not yet born at the time. As if Russia would then leave neutral, demilitarized Ukraine alone, to try to join the EU, or build a proper democracy.

It is yet again this assumption you can find in Chomsky, Pilger etc, and is no being picked up by parts of the right wing, that it is all about the relationship of superpowers, those that were that at the time, ignoring the will, fears, history of the Ukrainians (a type of orientalism in itself or intellectual laziness which would need decolonializing). That Russia has a right to demand what foriegn policy would other countries pursue, what alliance would they join, as a price for peace. Also, many people don't realize how much new, regional powers influence what is going on around them, those on the anti-American left seem for ever stuck in the Cold War divisions and opposition to American imperialism as the only factor.

[Bjornebye]

Nothing he says will ever be right for some people, even when asking for peace. 

[House of Dirk]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Nothing he says will ever be right for some people, even when asking for peace. 

Watch some Tory cunt say the same thing in a different way in a weeks time and watch the Tory populace salivate over it.

Fucking pig sick of it.

[Creator Supreme]

18 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Nothing he says will ever be right for some people, even when asking for peace. 

 

14 minutes ago, House of Dirk said:

Watch some Tory cunt say the same thing in a different way in a weeks time and watch the Tory populace salivate over it.

Fucking pig sick of it.

This, lock the thread now, the doubters got their wish, he's not even got the Labour whip anymore.

[SasaS]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Nothing he says will ever be right for some people, even when asking for peace. 

But that is the problem, he should have asked for peace, call Russian aggression for what it is in no uncertain terms and demanded they withdraw their troops from Ukraine, as a precondition for any talks. And end the speech there. You cannot ask for peace by basically implying, the aggressor has some reasonable demands. Which BTW are imposing its will on people of another country. That is the very nature of serving as an apologist.

The only way this and any future war stated by Russia can be stopped or prevented is by presenting a united global front against aggression, completely isolate the aggressor and refuse to consider any of its demands until the aggression stops or is beaten back. And hope other forces in Russia will eventually prevail.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I agree with, Corbyn; I want peace too. Now, back to the real world and the complex situation unfolding in Europe because of the reckless actions of a gangster and his gangster state. 

That’s how I feel when I see him in that video. It’s so fucking easy to say that we should skip the fighting and go straight to peace. Yes, we SHOULD. But back in the real world, that’s not what’s happening and I’m doubtful his video is going to convince Putin. So who is he speaking to? What good does it do for us to sit here and be morally superior calling for everyone to back down and talk it through when you’ve got an invader in your country?

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, SasaS said:

But that is the problem, he should have asked for peace, call Russian aggression for what it is in no uncertain terms and demanded they withdraw their troops from Ukraine, as a precondition for any talks. And end the speech there. You cannot ask for peace by basically implying, the aggressor has some reasonable demands. Which BTW are imposing its will on people of another country. That is the very nature of serving as an apologist.

The only way this and any future war stated by Russia can be stopped or prevented is by presenting a united global front against aggression, completely isolate the aggressor and refuse to consider any of its demands until the aggression stops or is beaten back. And hope other forces in Russia will eventually prevail.

A life long pacifist calling for peace or if you want to dress it up like a Tory would, an apologist bending over for Russia. 

[Pureblood]

15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

The only way this and any future war stated by Russia can be stopped or prevented is by presenting a united global front against aggression, completely isolate the aggressor and refuse to consider any of its demands until the aggression stops or is beaten back.

Hmm, maybe we could call it "NATO".