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  1. Sugar Ape

    Grenfall Tower Fire

    Plenty of blame to go around for Grenfell but surely the Firefighters who fought the blaze are at the bottom?
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    Grenfall Tower Fire

    Can’t say I agree with this. I’m sure the fire brigade did the best they could.
  3. Just watched the first two of the Creepshow reboot. Each episode is split into two different 20 minute stories. The first one is based on the Stephen King short story ‘Gray matter’. Bit hit and miss and corny at times but I’m enjoying it. There’s a good werewolf story set in France during WWII in the second episode. 6.5/10.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    They should have the whip withdrawn and be told they can’t stand as a Labour candidate at the impending election. Not holding my breath though. That still wouldn’t stop a small number from voting for it such as Campbell above as they’re retiring so no threats are going to work on the likes of him and Hoey. Though she won’t vote for it if the DUP won’t. How she’s managed to stay a Labour MP through all of this is beyond me.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    No. Looks like De Piero is gearing up to vote with the Tories too. I think this will definitely pass now, too many Labour MPs giving bad vibes out over it. Looks like this Letwin amendment could be the thing to, if not stop, then temper it if it gets enough votes.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    So I do it to your face but it’s snide? You thick cunt. Absolutely no one, in the history of this forum, argues with as many people as you do on here. You obsessively follow both of them around commenting on everything they say. It’s fucking weird.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    I don’t follow you around and I’ll happily say anything I’ve got to say to you to your face. And go fuck yourself. You’re the one harassing people all over the forum you weird cunt. And you’ve only just noticed (despite him posting on here for about a decade and having thousands of posts) that NV is arguing with people on a daily basis? More like you’ve just picked a new target because you’re not getting a rise out of SD anymore.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    Give it a rest Stig. If you’re not following SD around the forum commenting on everything he says then you’re doing it to NV.
  9. Sugar Ape

    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    You may think this is rock bottom, but if Brexit happens and Johnson wins a full five year term with a majority then I think you’ll see things can get much worse. The Tories are unlikely to raise taxes which would be the easiest way to impact the middle class. Instead, they’ll just cut even more the budgets for councils to help the elderly and disabled, they’ll introduce some charges in the NHS which, again, will impact most on the people who can least afford it, Universal credit and child benefits can be cut, possibly VAT could be raised, all these things will hit the poorest more than the middle class. There is no way the middle class will take the brunt of the cuts.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    Am I sure it’ll impact the poor more than the middle class? Yes. Very sure. Any cuts that come from Brexit, and they will come, are going to hit poor and disabled people more. Just like all cuts do. As someone who has got skin in the game with a disabled daughter then I can say I’m not really arsed about the motivations of the FBPE brigade. They might be annoying but they are trying to stop Brexit and that’s good enough for me.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    That’s not the case for all the MPs though so I don’t see the relevance. Ronnie Campbell and Dennis Skinner have consistently backed the Tories on Brexit. Hardly Blairite centrists are they? As for your comments on FBPE middle class people, pull the other one mate. Brexit is going to impact on poor and disabled people a lot more than it will the middle class.
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    Should the UK remain a member of the EU

    Seen this on the Guardian and it’s something I’ve been saying for a while. Just because you’re a Labour MP in a leave constituency doesn’t mean the majority of leave voters are Labour voters. The majority of Labour voters will still be remain. With regards to it just being a ‘handful’ of Labour MPs who could push this over the line, the response of the leadership/NEC to the people who vote for the deal will dictate things for me. If they withdraw the whip of anyone voting for it and stop them standing for Labour at the next election then fine, there isn’t much they can do. If (as I suspect) they do fuck all to anyone voting for it then I’ll be resigning my membership and I won’t vote for them again. Why, even in leave constituencies, most Labour support comes from remainers On the World at One Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, said he thought Labour MPs in seats that voted leave might want to back the PM’s Brexit deal. He said: In fact new research from the British Election Study, which studies voting behaviour in considerable detail through an extensive database going back years, suggests that Rees-Mogg is wrong. Even in constituencies that voted leave in 2016 by large majorities, the people voting Labour are predominantly remain supporters, the research found. Here is an extract from Ed Fieldhouse’s write-up for the British Election Study website. (I have highlighted some of the highlights in bold) Fieldhouse says the view expressed by Rees-Mogg (also shared by some Labour MPs, who worry that a remain stance will cost them votes in leave areas) is what social scientists call “an ecological fallacy”. Fieldhouse explains: “Just because Labour voters disproportionately live in leave areas doesn’t mean that they are more likely to be Leave voters themselves.”
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    The Homeless Problem

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/17/westminster-homeless-evicted-after-complaint-by-commons-chaplain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other A group of homeless people who bed down in a tube tunnel near parliament have accused the chaplain to the Speaker of the House of Commons, Rose Hudson-Wilkin, of driving them out of their only home after complaining to security officials about their“ongoing stench”. They wrote to the chaplain on Thursday, saying their lives had taken a turn for the worse since she complained about them, having been expelled from “the closest thing we had to a home”. The New Statesman obtained parliamentary email exchanges written in February detailing a complaint from Hudson-Wilkin, the Speaker’s chaplain since 2010, to parliamentary security officials about the “ongoing stench” created by about 20 rough sleepers in the underground entrance used to access parliament from Westminster tube station. She said the tunnel – which she said was being used as a urinal – was “absolutely filthy” and expressed concern that piled-up bedding could pose a security risk. While devastated to learn of the deaths of at least two homeless people at the station, she said while it was “heartbreaking that we have people sleeping by the underground entrance”, action needed to be taken. The letter to Hudson-Wilkin, who in November will become the Church of England’s first black bishop, of Dover, said the homeless people had been upset by her “hurtful remarks”. Hudson-Wilkin told the Guardian: “I have not yet received this letter. When I do I will be very happy to respond to whoever has written to me. In 21st-century Britain nobody should have to sleep outdoors in conditions like that.” When the story of her complaint first broke, she said: “We may find it unpleasant and concerning to walk through the underground station on the way to work or home, but for those who have to live like this – forgotten and overlooked by society – it is so much worse. Nobody should have to live like this.” She added that “moving people on” would not solve the problem. However, shortly after, the rough sleepers said they were forced out of their tunnel and were now sleeping outside. The letter is signed “Paul Westminster” and has been written on behalf of the group sleeping in the tunnel. Paul sells the Big Issue at one of the entrances to the station. According to the group, soon after Hudson-Wilkin lodged her complaint they were served with community protection notices which threatened them with fines of £20,000 if they continued to sleep in the tunnel. “Our belongings were taken and thrown away without warning, sleeping bags and all. We were harassed under the 1824 Vagrancy Act and then without a warning given, a grate was installed expelling us from the best shelter in the area and the closest thing we had to a home. The tunnel now sits warm and empty and unused at night while we sleep outside,” they said. They told the Guardian that as well as losing their sleeping place they were distressed at the assumption they were the reason behind the “ongoing stench”. They said the smell of urine was not due to them but to people coming out of pubs around parliament late in the evening. They said they tried to prevent the drinkers from urinating in the place they considered to be their home and did their best to keep the area clean and tidy. “You presumed that we were using our subway as a urinal when in fact we prevented other people from doing so because we had made our home there,” the letter said. It cited Proverbs 21:13: “If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor he too will cry out and not be answered.” It is the latest in a series of conflicts between homeless people in the area and parliament. Recently, parliament apologised to a group of rough sleepers who bed down close to the Palace of Westminster after taking individual photos of them without their permission while they slept. The parliamentary estate has effectively evicted them by installing shutters to mark parliament’s new boundary, following a transfer of land from Transport for London. Rough sleeping in the London borough of Westminster increased by 16% between April 2018 and March 2019. During that period, outreach workers recorded 2,512 people sleeping rough, compared with 2,165 the previous year. A spokesperson for the Labour Homelessness Campaign said: “The rough sleepers in the Westminster tunnels deserve to be treated as human beings. Instead they were stigmatised, criminalised and evicted from what should be public space. The Westminster eviction should be reversed and parliament should take responsibility for ensuring the people living on its doorstep get housing and support.”
  14. Sugar Ape

    Removing people from history

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/manchester-council-urged-reject-mahatma-gandhi-statue-racism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Manchester city council should reject a statue of the Indian independence leader Mahatma Gandhi on account of his “well-documented anti-black racism”, according to student activists. The planned 2.7-metre (9ft) bronze statue is due to be erected outside Manchester Cathedral in November to coincide with the 150th anniversary of Gandhi’s birth. An open letter is calling for the council to acknowledge Gandhi’s “vile comments” and reverse the decision, which it says is an “insult” to Manchester’s black and Kashmiri communities. The statue was given as a gift by a charitable organisation, the Shrimad Rajchandra Mission Dharampur, which cited the “non-violence and compassion” on show in the city after the Manchester Arena terrorist attack in 2017. It was paid for by the Manchester-based Kamani family, the founders of the fashion retailer Boohoo. The letter, organised by the Decolonise Network at the University of Manchester, says Gandhi referred to Africans as being “savages”, “half-heathen natives”, “uncivilised”, “dirty” and “like animals”. A book published in 2015 by two university professors painted a complicated picture of the Indian freedom fighter, highlighting derogatory comments about black Africans and efforts to prove to British colonial rulers that South Africa’s Indian community was superior to black Africans while living in the country. One of the organisers of the letter, Sara Khan, said the group felt the need to raise awareness of Gandhi’s comments as soon as they heard about proposals for the statue two weeks ago, “given that it is October – Black History Month”. Although a statue of the anti-colonial activist might seem a more surprising target than those of Horatio Nelson or Cecil Rhodes, Khan said “anti-black racism” in south Asian communities was not addressed often enough. “There’s a tendency to homogenise people of colour and our communities,” she said. “It’s a function of colonial ideology – it’s just as important to talk about it when it is people of colour who reproduce racist ideas as when they come from white people.” Shrimad Rajchandra Mission Dharampur said the campaign “appears to diminish Gandhi’s rich and complex history and his principles of tolerance, peace and unity”. The organisation cited Gandhi as an inspiration to African leaders such as Nelson Mandela and the civil rights movement, including Martin Luther King. “While we welcome a searching public discussion of the past, it is misleading to fixate on comments made in Gandhi’s early life as a lawyer under British colonial influence,” it said. In response to the charity’s assertion that it was “non-political” and not aligned with any national government, Khan said the idea that Gandhi was a “spiritual figure” who transcends politics “is something we should reject”. She also rejected accusations that movements targeting statues were attempting to rewrite history, saying: “There’s no rewriting at play here, it’s more about centring a narrative that isn’t spoken about.” The English literature student, who is her university’s liberation and access officer, said the reaction to the campaign had been “intense from both sides”. While she had received support including from the NUS black students’ campaign, Manchester University’s Indian society has released a statement endorsing the statue. She said she had also faced Islamophobic abuse online since the campaign was reported in the media, but added: “We feel very strongly that we don’t want to the statue to be erected.” The letter also references the #GandhiMustFall campaign, which successfully halted the erection of a Gandhi statue in Malawi. A statue was removed by the University of Ghana after protests from students and faculty members, who argue the Indian independence leader considered Africans “inferior”. Gandhi’s views on India’s caste system have also been the subject of fierce debate. Its final demand to the council is to consider erecting a statue instead to a black anti-racist activist with connections to Manchester, such as the feminist Olive Morris or anti-apartheid campaigner Steve Biko. A spokesperson for Manchester city council, which did not receive any objections during the planning process, said that while they were aware of “some debate about Gandhi’s life, most people in the city will see the statue in the context in which it was intended – to spread a message of peace, love and harmony”. Prof Meena Dhanda from the University of Wolverhampton said it was unsurprising that “the more people have begun reading Gandhi rather than merely idolising him, the more they are finding out about his racism”. She added: “As scholars have shown, he was terrified of intermixing, he upheld caste rules that restricted marriage outside one’s caste. He stereotyped people, for instance, he wrote – ‘Mussalman as a rule is a bully and a Hindu a coward’ and ‘Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised’. “Despite his political actions harnessing the force of ‘non-violence’, his underlying metaphysical views were deeply at odds with modern sensibilities. To use him as an apostle of peace whilst ignoring the very beliefs that cause ruptures within modern diverse communities is ill-advised.”