Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

No media agenda, no Siree. 

Indeed. It's ok to be a xenophobic, heartless cunt in our brave new Brexit world, Trust your feelings , its not wrong to despise migrants 

[karl1987]

That David Davies is one despicable cunt saying these kids from Calais should be checked by a dentist to verify their age, Why don't we just chop their heads off and count the rings. I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country with people like this in government, 

 

I can see where he's coming from to be fair, and hes not calling for all of them to be tested, just those where there are serious doubts.  Of which there are a few.  Although some of these can be explained by my previous post on the thread.

 

Because they have claimed to be under 18 we could potentially have adult men being placed in foster care alongside genuine vulnerable children.  Does that not bother you in any way? 

 

There are some serious safety issues involved.  We've already seen what has happened in Europe where adult refugees posing as children/teenagers have been placed in foster/social care with real children.  

 

If there are doubt's about someone age then tests should be done unless they have family in the UK that they will live with in which case it dosent really matter.  It's not like anybody caught out can be kicked out of the UK now anyway becausethey legally cant.  But it at least means they'd be put in the appropriate care. 

 

Its a very tricky situation.  .

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I think the right and the Brexit lot should just shut up and accept these refugee minors coming here.

 

The decision to test the age of minors by a Merton compliant age assessment was reached by the courts. The Dubs Amendment which obliged the UK to take in unaccompanied minor refugees was enacted into law as an amendment to the Children and Social Work Bill. It was debated in both the House of Parliament and Lords and was put on the statute book.

 

Our actions in taking these minor refugees in and the process used to assess their age have all resulted from democracy in action.

 

Why aren't the right and the Brexit lot beating their "respect democracy" drum over this one?

[karl1987]

I think the right and the Brexit lot should just shut up and accept these refugee minors coming here.

 

The decision to test the age of minors by a Merton compliant age assessment was reached by the courts. The Dubs Amendment which obliged the UK to take in unaccompanied minor refugees was enacted into law as an amendment to the Children and Social Work Bill. It was debated in both the House of Parliament and Lords and was put on the statute book.

 

Our actions in taking these minor refugees in and the process used to assess their age have all resulted from democracy in action.

 

Why aren't the right and the Brexit lot beating their "respect democracy" drum over this one?

 

Who's actually complaining about letting MINORS in, other than the real far right? Most of the complaints ive seen are due to the  fact that there are potentially adults taking the places of minors.

[moof]

Who's actually complaining about letting MINORS in, other than the real far right? Most of the complaints ive seen are due to the fact that there are potentially adults taking the places of minors.

Is there evidence to back up those complaints?

[magicrat]

Davies is still a despicable cunt

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Who's actually complaining about letting MINORS in, other than the real far right? Most of the complaints ive seen are due to the fact that there are potentially adults taking the places of minors.

But, the democratically reached process for determining their age has been utilised. Why aren't people accepting the process and it's results?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I think the right and the Brexit lot should just shut up and accept these refugee minors coming here.

 

The decision to test the age of minors by a Merton compliant age assessment was reached by the courts. The Dubs Amendment which obliged the UK to take in unaccompanied minor refugees was enacted into law as an amendment to the Children and Social Work Bill. It was debated in both the House of Parliament and Lords and was put on the statute book.

 

Our actions in taking these minor refugees in and the process used to assess their age have all resulted from democracy in action.

 

Why aren't the right and the Brexit lot beating their "respect democracy" drum over this one?

My bad, it's the Immigration Bill (now Immigration Act 2016), not the C&SW Bill.

[stringvest]

You obviously never saw the queue for the Kop when under 16s got in for reduced prices back in the 1980s.

 

 

*cough*

[karl1987]

But, the democratically reached process for determining their age has been utilised. Why aren't people accepting the process and it's results?

From what I've read all those being allowed in have family here who they'll be living with.  So it dosent bother me.  And those who are well over 18 (which is quite clear) are most likely  the interpreters who worked alongside our soldiers they have let in aswell, whos photos should not have been printed in the papers due to their lives being in danger.  

 

My problem only arises when someone comes to the UK with no family to live with,  claiming to be a child when they might not be and potentially get put into foster care with vulnerable children. 

[moof]

My problem only arises when someone comes to the UK with no family to live with, claiming to be a child when they might not be and potentially get put into foster care with vulnerable children.

Does this actually happen or is it more a hypothetical problem?

[stringvest]

The Yakubu Dilemma.

[njackets]

And that's precisely what winds me up about the right in this country, Piston- how they're the biggest bunch of hypocrites going.

 

They lambast political correctness, yet cry foul when people pull them up on instances of dog whistle racism. They promote censorship of the arts, yet hide behind freedom of speech. They criticise the BBC for being left wing (which is bollocks, btw), yet the likes of Farage are more than happy to us their QT season ticket to spout their hate.

 

"Do as we say, not as we do." Woe betide you if you look differently or act differently. You're just plain old unpatriotic in that case.

 

It's similar to how you can't win if you put forward a case for democratic socialism to them. If you're young, you're naive. If you're old, you're a dinosaur. If you're poor, you're envious. If you're rich, you're a hypocrite.

 

The absolute brass balls of these thick twats to claim to be defenders of the country. The absolute fucking cheek.

BBC isn't left wing, maybe a bit further over to the left.

 

https://youtu.be/bmyXaXo633M

[njackets]

I think the right and the Brexit lot should just shut up and accept these refugee minors coming here.

 

The decision to test the age of minors by a Merton compliant age assessment was reached by the courts. The Dubs Amendment which obliged the UK to take in unaccompanied minor refugees was enacted into law as an amendment to the Children and Social Work Bill. It was debated in both the House of Parliament and Lords and was put on the statute book.

 

Our actions in taking these minor refugees in and the process used to assess their age have all resulted from democracy in action.

 

Why aren't the right and the Brexit lot beating their "respect democracy" drum over this one?

Ahh so it's just the 'Brexit lot' complaining Refugees are coming over? Has there been another one of these surveys that's managed to survey everyone who voted in the referendums views on this?

 

Again I must of been missed out! Interesting how everyone who's voted to leave the EU now shares the same political opinion on everything.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I can see where he's coming from to be fair, and hes not calling for all of them to be tested, just those where there are serious doubts.  Of which there are a few.  Although some of these can be explained by my previous post on the thread.

 

Because they have claimed to be under 18 we could potentially have adult men being placed in foster care alongside genuine vulnerable children.  Does that not bother you in any way? 

 

There are some serious safety issues involved.  We've already seen what has happened in Europe where adult refugees posing as children/teenagers have been placed in foster/social care with real children.  

 

If there are doubt's about someone age then tests should be done unless they have family in the UK that they will live with in which case it dosent really matter.  It's not like anybody caught out can be kicked out of the UK now anyway becausethey legally cant.  But it at least means they'd be put in the appropriate care. 

 

Its a very tricky situation.  .

It's taken months for the French and British authorities in Calais to verify the identity of a tiny number of refugee children who have families in the UK.  Now that they have identified them, they shouldn't have to disguise them all as Little Orphan Annie just to meet with the approval of the racist shitslingers of the Daily Mail.

[njackets]

It's taken months for the French and British authorities in Calais to verify the identity of a tiny number of refugee children who have families in the UK. Now that they have identified them, they shouldn't have to disguise them all as Little Orphan Annie just to meet with the approval of the racist shitslingers of the Daily Mail.

Every other media group seems to be reporting the same story, maybe they're all racist.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-19/two-thirds-of-refugee-children-found-to-be-adults/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Every other media group seems to be reporting the same story, maybe they're all racist.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-19/two-thirds-of-refugee-children-found-to-be-adults/

Did you even read that?  It's not the same story at all.

 

ITV are saying that in the year to June 2016, 68% of asylum applicants who claimed to be under 18 were "deemed to be" over 18.

 

The racist cunts in the racist papers were saying that some of the fourteen, heavily-vetted children who arrived in the UK the other day were adults.

[njackets]

Did you even read that? It's not the same story at all.

 

ITV are saying that in the year to June 2016, 68% of asylum applicants who claimed to be under 18 were "deemed to be" over 18.

 

The racist cunts in the racist papers were saying that some of the fourteen, heavily-vetted children who arrived in the UK the other day were adults.

Fair enough, it's a very miss leading article which seems to be contradicting itself...

 

The findings come AFTER Tory MP David Davies said 14 teenagers who arrived in the UK from Calais on Monday did not "look like children".

 

It shows there's a clear history of adults claiming to be children from the jungle if true though, make you wonder..

 

Anway I don't know what any of this has to do with the Referendum or the EU.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Fair enough, it's a very miss leading article which seems to be contradicting itself...

 

The findings come AFTER Tory MP David Davies said 14 teenagers who arrived in the UK from Calais on Monday did not "look like children".

 

It shows there's a clear history of adults claiming to be children from the jungle if true though, make you wonder..

 

Anway I don't know what any of this has to do with the Referendum or the EU.

 

Because you are as thick as pig shit. 

[Anubis]

So it turns out that the one in the middle is in Calais, and the one on the right (also used by The Sun on it's front page) is an adult interpreter working for the Home Office.

[njackets]

Because you are as thick as pig shit.

????

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Fair enough, it's a very miss leading article which seems to be contradicting itself...

 

The findings come AFTER Tory MP David Davies said 14 teenagers who arrived in the UK from Calais on Monday did not "look like children".

 

It shows there's a clear history of adults claiming to be children from the jungle if true though, make you wonder..

 

Anway I don't know what any of this has to do with the Referendum or the EU.

There's a clear history of adults pretending to be children in order to get into Goodison cheaply. We'd usually regard that sort of thing within the bounds of acceptable "naughtiness". If you raise the stakes and consider that we're not just talking about Scals trying to save a few quid, but desperate people trying to escape dangerous squalor, then I don't blame anyone for trying the occasional fib.

[Hades]

How come Hades calls me a cunt but constantly sends me rep? It's a love hate relationship.

 

Don't take it personally. I think almost everyone on here is an irredeemable cunt but I made the mistake of expecting more from a few people. 

[skend04]

BBC isn't left wing, maybe a bit further over to the left.

 

https://youtu.be/bmyXaXo633M

Haha fucking hell. How does it feel to be jumping sharks?

[skend04]

This is a good albeit sobering read. It highlights just how pitiful and dependant our economy is on inward foreign investment. Investment that will start to take flight soon after a hard Brexit. Of note is the fact our manufacturing base is comparable in value to that of Belgium which has 6% of our population.

 

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/