Jurgen Norbert Klopp

[CapeRed]

1 hour ago, Jack the Sipper said:

Klopp can't go around shouting at and getting into running feuds with refs and expect to get away with it. He knows that, which is why he regrets it when he's calmed down. And it's bizarre to suggest the owners should be getting involved.

 

That said, the refs and their assistants need to be held to higher standards themselves. They get away with far too many awful decisions (at worst missing a game as punishment), and that twat that elbowed Robertson deemed to have acted correctly?! There should be greater transparency (refs mic convos aired in real time, as in rugby, or after the game, publishing minutes of the decisions made by the refs panel when adjudicating on refs behaviour, greater scrutiny of the decision-making behind who gets appoionted to the refs panel, for example), and greater accountability for refs (interview after games, published reports after games - is this already a thing?, greater punishments when found to have done wrong). 

 

Considering the prestige and value of the PL 'product' it seems mental that we have a body of refs that, for the most part, are inadequate, and more concerned with protecting and promoting their own reputation than applying the rules to the best of their ability, and an overseeing panel that similarly sees protecting refs as the most important thing in the game.

 Bang on

[Carra_is_legend]

1 hour ago, Jack the Sipper said:

Klopp can't go around shouting at and getting into running feuds with refs and expect to get away with it. He knows that, which is why he regrets it when he's calmed down. And it's bizarre to suggest the owners should be getting involved.

 

That said, the refs and their assistants need to be held to higher standards themselves. They get away with far too many awful decisions (at worst missing a game as punishment), and that twat that elbowed Robertson deemed to have acted correctly?! There should be greater transparency (refs mic convos aired in real time, as in rugby, or after the game, publishing minutes of the decisions made by the refs panel when adjudicating on refs behaviour, greater scrutiny of the decision-making behind who gets appoionted to the refs panel, for example), and greater accountability for refs (interview after games, published reports after games - is this already a thing?, greater punishments when found to have done wrong). 

 

Considering the prestige and value of the PL 'product' it seems mental that we have a body of refs that, for the most part, are inadequate, and more concerned with protecting and promoting their own reputation than applying the rules to the best of their ability, and an overseeing panel that similarly sees protecting refs as the most important thing in the game.

 

Airing the conversation might be good to some extent but it won't stop the bias if they want to fuck us (or any team) over. They just have to be polite and professional since the conversation is aired.

 

As for the interview after games, that is a non starter in my opinion. What will that achieve? Honesty? What will happen when the ref  comes out and say that he fucked up by not sending off Kompany or Kane? This will only increase the amount of abuse they will get.  

[Jennings]

Loving his work. 

 

 

[No2]

55 minutes ago, Jennings said:

Loving his work. 

 

 

When the season is said and done it will have been a failure. I think what the new system has proved is the players aren't done and it wasn't tiredness or fatigue, it was staleness. Its the management teams responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

Injuries to the attackers probably would have extinguished any title challenge but if we had freshed it up we wouldn't be scraping around 5th. We're clearly the 2nd best team in the country again, need to get the right players to take us back to first.

[an tha]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

When the season is said and done it will have been a failure. I think what the new system has proved is the players aren't done and it wasn't tiredness or fatigue, it was staleness. Its the management teams responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

Injuries to the attackers probably would have extinguished any title challenge but if we had freshed it up we wouldn't be scraping around 5th. We're clearly the 2nd best team in the country again, need to get the right players to take us back to first.

Do the right things this summer and it isn't hard to see us being 'back' next season...

 

If we are boss again next season though get down the bookies and lump on these certainties....One of them is bound to happen!

 

Man City to win 36 and draw 2 to break all known records.

 

Or

 

We are on verge of winning title - 15 pts clear with 5 games to play and WW3 is officially declared and all sport is instantly halted indefinitely!

[Razoray]

36 points since the halfway stage of the season. While not returning to our form of 2018-2022, it is a mile away from where we were, up to the 3-0 v Wolves. All we need is for us to maintain that form and hope the (not just signings) summer improvements get us a further 10+ points next season.

It's not the massive rebuild for Klopp that we thought was required. After this summer, the only outfield players over 30 that we will will have are Virgil, Henderson, Thiago and Matip (if he is still here). Three of that four are being phased out already. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, Razoray said:

After this summer, the only outfield players over 30 that we will will have are Virgil, Henderson, Thiago and Matip (if he is still here). Three of that four are being phased out already. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Give him Bellingham as a gift FSG this guy has done more for your investment than you could of dreamed. Buy him nice things.

[Razoray]

10 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Only 25 in Mo years. 

[Moo]

10 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Give him Bellingham as a gift FSG this guy has done more for your investment than you could of dreamed. Buy him nice things.

 

Klopp doesn't want him anymore, apparently.

[Razoray]

9 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

Klopp doesn't want him anymore, apparently.

The same way I don't want a new Ferrari 

[Mook]

If he's going to cost £125m, Klopp is absolutely correct in not wanting him. Biggest rip off in the history of Football that*

 

*not including several Man Utd buys

[El Rojo]

Think it's @Barrington Womble who's written well on here about how Klopp is always devising slight changes for us to 'cheat' positionally and be more than the sum our our parts. 

 

The Trent transformation of late sums Klopp up - always finds a new tactical solution when we've hit a wall. Very easy for others to say 'just put him in midfield' without considering where exactly he should play and how he might still help out in his older role when we don't have the ball. With our awful run of form, lesser managers would have fallen back into their bunker and stuck rigidly to what's worked well in the past. 

 

Takes balls to see the bigger picture and use Nunez less for now too, particularly given the pressure of the price tag for both manager and player.*

 

 

*I still think Nunez will be fine.  

 

 

[Mook]

1 minute ago, El Rojo said:

Think it's @Barrington Womble who's written well on here about how Klopp is always devising slight changes for us to 'cheat' positionally and be more than the sum our our parts. 

 

The Trent transformation of late sums Klopp up - always finds a new tactical solution when we've hit a wall. Very easy for others to say 'just put him in midfield' without considering where exactly he should play and how he might still help out in his older role when we don't have the ball. With our awful run of form, lesser managers would gave fallen back into their bunker and stuck rigidly to what's worked well in the past. 

 

Takes balls to see the bigger picture and use Nunez less for now too, particularly given the pressure of the price tag for both manager and player.*

 

 

*I still think Nunez will be fine.  

 

 

 

It took about eight months of sticking with the tried and tested (bar a couple of exceptions) before he dabbled with Trent's role.

 

You'd hope next time we are stuck in a rut, it won't take so long for him to twist.

[El Rojo]

1 hour ago, Mook said:

 

It took about eight months of sticking with the tried and tested (bar a couple of exceptions) before he dabbled with Trent's role.

 

You'd hope next time we are stuck in a rut, it won't take so long for him to twist.

In fairness, I think we beat Man United 7-0 not too long ago with the 'old' formation. We beat City too in October that and had some very good other results. Granted things turned to shite afterwards, but at least he saw the need for complete change rather than trying to do the old routine better. 

[TheHowieLama]

On 16/05/2023 at 07:12, Razoray said:

Only 25 in Mo years. 

 

Pace years don't count.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, El Rojo said:

 

The Trent transformation of late sums Klopp up - always finds a new tactical solution when we've hit a wall.

 

 

 

City have been doing similar for awhile.

[m0e]

6 hours ago, Mook said:

 

It took about eight months of sticking with the tried and tested (bar a couple of exceptions) before he dabbled with Trent's role.

 

You'd hope next time we are stuck in a rut, it won't take so long for him to twist.

Took far too long to stick with Nat Phillips in the covid season too, and keep Fabinho in midfield.

[TheRedMachine]

9 minutes ago, m0e said:

Took far too long to stick with Nat Phillips in the covid season too, and keep Fabinho in midfield.

This is true

[Fugitive]

7 hours ago, Mook said:

 

It took about eight months of sticking with the tried and tested (bar a couple of exceptions) before he dabbled with Trent's role.

 

You'd hope next time we are stuck in a rut, it won't take so long for him to twist.

Maybe it was trying to send a message about the lack of investment to the owners? Who knows but at least things are now looking better going into next season, provided we get some decent backing in the transfer window.

[m0e]

19 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

Maybe it was trying to send a message about the lack of investment to the owners? Who knows but at least things are now looking better going into next season, provided we get some decent backing in the transfer window.

It was clearly when he (and the rest of us) thought top 4 was gone. Just like in 2021.

[Barrington Womble]

23 hours ago, Mook said:

 

It took about eight months of sticking with the tried and tested (bar a couple of exceptions) before he dabbled with Trent's role.

 

You'd hope next time we are stuck in a rut, it won't take so long for him to twist.

Klopp was waiting konate to get himself established back in the side..if we'd have gone earlier with the form of matip and Gomez, then it would have probably been a disaster. Imo, it's why we need to be thinking about replacing one of them this summer. If Gomez could stay fit and perform consistently to his best level, there'd be no issue, but he's never really been able to manage that except for half a season when vvd was at his absolute peak. 

[an tha]

2 match ban (1 suspended) and 75 grand fine..

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jurgen-klopp-suspension-liverpool-breaking-26943068#source=breaking-news

[manwiththestick]

11 minutes ago, an tha said:

2 match ban (1 suspended) and 75 grand fine..

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jurgen-klopp-suspension-liverpool-breaking-26943068#source=breaking-news

They're dishing out punishments for Klopp and the Ivan Toney stuff in quick succession so I expect the Man City and Everton punishments will come through shortly..

[Creator Supreme]

3 minutes ago, manwiththestick said:

They're dishing out punishments for Klopp and the Ivan Toney stuff in quick succession so I expect the Man City and Everton punishments will come through shortly..

I wouldn't go around holding your breath mate.