Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[TheHowieLama]

I got a bunch of Bob Mould in mine due to these rains.

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

Food is essential, but the food supply is wholly in private hands. Should we nationalise food production? And if not, why not?

There’s no natural monopoly in food production. There’s also a welfare system in place which in theory should help feed people who can’t afford to feed themselves. Do you believe in welfare state or do you think it should be scrapped and we could rely on foodbanks to feed the less fortunates? Interested to hear your thoughts on this.

[Strontium]

11 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

There’s no natural monopoly in food production. There’s also a welfare system in place which in theory should help feed people who can’t afford to feed themselves. Do you believe in welfare state or do you think it should be scrapped and we could rely on foodbanks to feed the less fortunates? Interested to hear your thoughts on this.

 

Thanks, it's good to get an answer rather than a neg. I see what you say about natural monopolies, and I think the whole idea of privatisation was to create a market so that you could have similar competition as you have in eg the food market. While I am generally opposed to the expansion of the state, I'm not ideologically wedded to public or private provision, as it happens I'd like to see people given the choice of both wherever possible.

 

My party invented the welfare state. Draw your own conclusions.

[Jose Jones]

9 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

There’s no natural monopoly in food production. There’s also a welfare system in place which in theory should help feed people who can’t afford to feed themselves. Do you believe in welfare state or do you think it should be scrapped and we could rely on foodbanks to feed the less fortunates? Interested to hear your thoughts on this.

Exactly.

There are millions of different types and ways for people to feed themselves, hundreds and thousands of different food growers, makers and suppliers.  The largest have a minuscule amount of the market. 

It has also been proven the world over through history that private ownership, albeit with strict government regulation on safety of ingredients, manufacture and labelling, has been a much better way of supplying food to people than nationalised food production.

 

Just as with natural monopolies, such as railways due to their infrastructure it has been proven that public ownership in general works best.

 

Stronts knows all this of course, hence why I negged his post for being deliberately stupid.

[Captain Turdseye]

7 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Thanks, it's good to get an answer rather than a neg. I see what you say about natural monopolies, and I think the whole idea of privatisation was to create a market so that you could have similar competition as you have in eg the food market. While I am generally opposed to the expansion of the state, I'm not ideologically wedded to public or private provision, as it happens I'd like to see people given the choice of both wherever possible.

 

My party invented the welfare state. Draw your own conclusions.

 

Can I draw this conclusion?

 

On 02/11/2007 at 15:40, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Why should my taxes go to helping bloody scroungers buy scratchcards, fags and lager?

 

We need to spend more cash helping people like yourself and my ma, people who want to work hard to raise themselves out of depressing poverty, and less cash subbing the lifestyles of people who are one step removed from the rats in the fucking sewer.

 

[moof]

Oh wow

[Captain Turdseye]

[Strontium]

Before bumping a 12 year old post out of context, I'd strongly suggest reading that thread from the very start.

[Captain Turdseye]

Ah, so you were joking? That big speech about your mum was just for a laugh. Fair enough. 

[Pureblood]

ROFL

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Ah, so you were joking? That big speech about your mum was just for a laugh. Fair enough. 

 

As you can see, I was agreeing with Section 31. I doubt you'd try and paint him as someone who wants to end welfare. Not that exasperation at what some people spend our money on remotely justifies thinking that anyway.

[Captain Turdseye]

4 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

As you can see, I was agreeing with Section 31. I doubt you'd try and paint him as someone who wants to end welfare. Not that exasperation at what some people spend our money on remotely justifies thinking that anyway.

 

I’m not trying to paint anyone as anything. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. I was merely drawing my own conclusion, like you smugly suggested aRdja should do. 

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

I got a bunch of Bob Mould in mine due to these rains.

Hüsker Dü, Dü, Dü, 

Captain Beefheart, ELO... 

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

I’m not trying to paint anyone as anything. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. I was merely drawing my own conclusion, like you smugly suggested aRdja should do. 

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[Skidfingers McGonical]

10 hours ago, Gnasher said:

The cost of taking the rail network back in public hands is fairly cheap. The proccess fairy easy

 

 

https://www.economist.com/speakers-corner/2017/05/16/nationalisations-high-short-term-price-and-higher-long-term-cost

 

Don't listen to the shrills like numerocuntio. 

It’s Numero Veinticunto. I know you are anti-EU and all that but show some respect to the Spanish language. 

 

Bet you click your fingers when on holiday in Spain and shout “Hey, Manuel! Hey Garçon! Two-eeio beerios pour favour”

[Scooby Dudek]

Can't help but be impressed by Sky News;

 

Debate about if Trump is a white supremacist and the violence is causes. 

 

Obviously left terrorism is on the rise, girl from Novara media says left extremism does not kill people like right extremism. 

Sky presenter, but what about antisemitism in the Labour party, isn't that the same. 

 

 

As I say quite impressed by the commitment from Sky. 

[Red Phoenix]

36 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Obviously left terrorism is on the rise, girl from Novara media says left extremism does not kill people like right extremism.

 

Would have been interested to see her response if they'd showed her this : https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

[Red Phoenix]

That's not meant to be a dig at the left, I'd be considered extreme left too by a lot of clowns out there just for siding with Greens I guess. I think it's hypocrisy to make out like we don't have people that lose the plot on our side too though, and am glad that CNN have published that.

 

edit - AP too : https://www.apnews.com/bdcdc166ee814e069edda52bee6c460e

 

I don't think they're happy to have those articles up as they usually add stuff like "appeared to" and "apparent" instead of just stating as fact when they don't like something, but at least they've not tried to ignore it.

[Section_31]

Was watching a show called Russia with Simon Reeve the other day, it was on about a year ago but we recorded it. 

 

It was showing some farflung areas of Russia and how they're basically dying out since the Soviet Union collapsed, because Communism guaranteed the people there an income. 

 

It was interesting. While the Soviets obviously were cunts in many ways (mainly due to the fact Communism never evolved there the way Marx said it should, it skipped democracy and went straight from Feudalism) you have to admit that in certain circumstances there's a need for guaranteed income. 

 

The idea that this support was withdrawn and entire towns just whither and die due to freemarket economics is barmy. 

 

To a much lesser extent that's what Tory policies did to the North. Yes coal might be cheaper in other parts of the world, yes maybe you can outsource that HMRC call centre, but at what cost? 

 

If you run civilisations according to free market economics essentially what you're going to end up with is about 50 mega cities around the globe and everyone else either dead or living on a tip.   

[SasaS]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

That's not meant to be a dig at the left, I'd be considered extreme left too by a lot of clowns out there just for siding with Greens I guess. I think it's hypocrisy to make out like we don't have people that lose the plot on our side too though, and am glad that CNN have published that.

Yes, you always learn something reading about mass shooters. This intresting music genre would probably pass me by. 

"Betts was in a band called the Menstrual Munchies, recalled Zach Walton, a musician who booked the band for two shows in 2018.

Walton described those shows as an all-day event that featured bands, including those who perform in a genre Walton called "pornogrind," in Missouri.

Pornogrind is an offshoot of goregrind and grindcore music; the lyrics discuss -- oftentimes in extremely graphic and violent ways -- pornographic and sexual themes, Walton said."

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

Yes, you always learn something reading about mass shooters. This intresting music genre would probably pass me by. 

"Betts was in a band called the Menstrual Munchies, recalled Zach Walton, a musician who booked the band for two shows in 2018.

Walton described those shows as an all-day event that featured bands, including those who perform in a genre Walton called "pornogrind," in Missouri.

Pornogrind is an offshoot of goregrind and grindcore music; the lyrics discuss -- oftentimes in extremely graphic and violent ways -- pornographic and sexual themes, Walton said."

 

Haha, have heard of pornogrind before I think. Gonna pass on seeing what it sounds like though.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

Food is essential, but the food supply is wholly in private hands. Should we nationalise food production? And if not, why not?

For the most part, market forces are reasonably effective at providing food. (I won't say equitable or efficient, for many obvious reasons.) This is, primarily, because genuine competition between food suppliers is possible. 

 

For the public services and utilities in question here, market forces fail on all counts. These things tend towards monopoly  (or oligopoly) so private provision is doomed to fail.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 hours ago, A Red said:

And gives the unions/labour central control of an industry that could be used as a political weapon. The 70's.

 

 

I don't think you and I are going to agree here; your understanding and basic assumptions of history, politics, economics and society are all very different from mine.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 hours ago, A Red said:

And gives the unions/labour central control of an industry that could be used as a political weapon. The 70's.

Here's more details about Labour's commitment to workplace democracy. 

 

https://www.ier.org.uk/news/ier-welcomes-labours-20-point-plan-workers-rights

 

They're still working with IER, so don't be surprised if the next manifesto contains even more stuff to benefit workers.

 

This is really nothing to be feared.

[Stickman]

2 hours ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Can't help but be impressed by Sky News;

 

Debate about if Trump is a white supremacist and the violence is causes. 

 

Obviously left terrorism is on the rise, girl from Novara media says left extremism does not kill people like right extremism. 

Sky presenter, but what about antisemitism in the Labour party, isn't that the same. 

 

 

As I say quite impressed by the commitment from Sky. 

Hardly surprising to find it's Jayne Secker doing the stich up sorry interview

 

 

 

Although she has got form for being a cunt

 

https://www.indy100.com/article/sky-news-jayne-secker-landlord-interview-renting-housing-crisis-watch-8871926