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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

    Interesting article and one of the few (if any) putting a different perspective on things even if it's a few months ago Labour’s civil war on Israel has been a long time coming Jonathan Cook Published date: 7 March 2019 10:48 UTC Threats by a Jewish group to split from Labour is not evidence of anti-semitism, but of the party’s long indulgence of anti-Palestinian racism An announcement this week by the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM) that it is considering splitting from the British Labour Party could not have come at a worse moment for Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour leader is already besieged by claims that he is presiding over a party that has become "institutionally anti-semitic". The threats by the JLM should be seen as part of concerted efforts to oust Corbyn from the leadership. They follow on the heels of a decision by a handful of Labour MPs last month to set up a new faction called the Independent Group. They, too, cited anti-semitism as a major reason for leaving. On the defensive, Corbyn was prompted to write to the JLM expressing his and the shadow cabinet’s “very strong desire for you to remain a part of our movement”. More than 100 Labour MPs, including members of the front bench, similarly pleaded with the JLM not to disaffiliate. They apologised for “toxic racism” in the party and for “letting our Jewish supporters and members down”. Their letter noted that the JLM is "the legitimate and long-standing representative of Jews in the Labour party" and added that the MPs recognised the importance of "calling out those who seek to make solidarity with our Jewish comrades a test of foreign policy". That appeared to be a swipe at Corbyn himself, who is the first leader of a British political party to prioritise Palestinian rights over the UK’s ties to an Israeli state that has been oppressing Palestinians for decades. Only this week the Labour leader renewed his call for Britain to halt arms sales to Israel following a UN report that said the Israeli army’s shooting of Palestinian protesters in Gaza’s Great March of Return could amount to war crimes. Evidence ignored Despite the media attention, all the evidence suggests that Labour does not have a problem of “institutional anti-semitism”, or even a problem of anti-semitism above the marginal racism towards Jews found in the wider British population. Figures show only 0.08 percent of Labour members have been disciplined for anti-semitism. Also largely ignored by the British media, and Corbyn's opponents, is the fact that a growing number of Jews are publicly coming out in support for him and discounting the claims of an "endemic" anti-semitism problem. Some 200 prominent Jews signed a letter to the Guardian newspaper calling Corbyn "a crucial ally in the fight against bigotry and reaction. His lifetime record of campaigning for equality and human rights, including consistent support for initiatives against antisemitism, is formidable." At the same time, a new organisation, Jewish Voice for Labour, has been established to underscore that there are progressive Jews who welcome Corbyn’s leadership. On the back foot In the current hysterical climate, however, no one seems interested in the evidence or these dissenting voices. It is, therefore, hardly surprising that Corbyn and his supporters are on the back foot as they face losing from Labour an affiliate group of 2,000 members who represent a section of the UK’s Jewish community. But paradoxically, the loss of the JLM may be inevitable if Labour is serious about becoming a party that opposes racism in all its forms, because the JLM has proved it is incapable of meeting that simple standard. While the Labour Party has been dragged into an increasingly fractious debate about whether anti-Zionism – opposition to Israel as a Jewish state – equates to anti-semitism, everyone has been distracted from the elephant in the room. Zionism as racism In fact, it is political Zionism, at least in the hardline form adopted by groups such as the JLM, that is racism – towards Palestinians. Zionism, we should recall, required the ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians to engineer a “Jewish state” on the ruins of Palestinians’ homeland. It fuelled Israel’s hunger for an enlarged territory that led to it occupying the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, and further dispossessing the Palestinians through illegal settlement building. Zionism has made it impossible for any Israeli government to offer meaningful concessions to Palestinians on statehood to create the conditions necessary for peace. It has justified policies that view "mixing between the races" – between Jews and Palestinians – as dangerous “miscegenation” and "assimilation". Furthermore, Zionism has kept Israel’s Palestinian citizens a segregated minority, hemmed up in their own ghettoised communities, denied rights to almost all land in Israel, and corralled into their own separate and massively inferior school system. Efforts to oust Corbyn All of these policies were instituted by Israel’s Labor Party, the sister organisation of the JLM in Britain. The JLM not only refuses to oppose these policies, but effectively shields Israel from criticism about them from within Britain’s Labour Party. The JLM has remained mute on the structural violence of Israel’s occupying army, and the systematic racism – encoded in Israel’s laws – towards the fifth of its population who are Palestinian citizens. Meanwhile, the JLM’s mother body, the World Zionist Organization, has a division that - to this day - finances the establishment and expansion of settlements in the West Bank, in violation of international law. Times – and politics – move on. The JLM is a relic of a period when it was possible to claim to be anti-racist while turning a blind eye to the oppression of the Palestinian people. Social media and Palestinians armed with camera phones – not just Corbyn – have made that evasion no longer possible. Labour giving pride of place to groups such as the JLM or Labour Friends of Israel – to which 80 of its MPs proudly belong – is, in the current circumstances, as obscene as it would have been 40 years ago for British parties to host their own Friends of South Africa groups. The Labour Party bureaucracy is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world by its members, who have felt liberated by Corbyn’s leadership and his history of supporting all kinds of anti-racism struggles, including the Palestinian one. While Britain has major and pressing issues to tackle, from dealing with its exit from Europe to imminent climate collapse, Labour’s energies have been sidetracked into a civil war about Israel, of all things. The old guard want to be allowed to support Israel, even as it heads towards full-blown fascism, while much of the membership want to dissociate from what looks increasingly like another apartheid state – and one whose leaders are seeking to stoke conflict across a volatile region. Redefining anti-semitism Israel’s most ardent supporters, and Corbyn’s enemies, in Labour will play dirty to protect Israel and their own role from scrutiny, as they have been doing all along. The JLM led moves last year intended to divide the party by insisting that Labour redefine anti-semitism to include criticism of Israel. Rumblings of dissatisfaction from the JLM will be cited as further evidence of the membership’s anti-semitism, because that is the most powerful weapon they have to silence criticism of Israel and deflect attention away from their role in shielding Israel from proper scrutiny within Labour. Politics is about choices and values. Labour has for many decades sided exclusively with Israel and ignored the rights of Palestinians. Support for ethnic cleansing In 1944 – four years before Israel’s creation – Labour’s annual conference recommended that the natives of Palestine, a large majority population, be ethnically cleansed to advance the goals of European Zionists colonising their land. The resolution declared: “Let the Arabs be encouraged to move out, as the Jews move in.” That is exactly what Israel did by expelling 750,000 Palestinians, more than 80 percent of the Palestinian population, in events we now call the Nakba (Catastrophe). For decades after Israel’s creation, Labour Party members happily travelled to Israel to toil in agricultural communes, such as the kibbutz, that were built on stolen Palestinian land and which, to this day, refuse to allow any of the country’s 1.7 million Palestinian citizens to live in them. In a speech in 1972, after Israel seized yet more Palestinian lands, including East Jerusalem, Labour leader Harold Wilson urged Israel to hold on to these conquered territories: “Israel’s reaction is natural and proper in refusing to accept the Palestinians as a nation.” Dark underbelly of racism This is the dark, dishonourable underbelly of Labour racism, and the party’s decades-long support for colonialism in the Middle East. Labour created a hierarchy of racisms, in which hatred towards Jews enjoyed star billing while racism towards some other groups, most especially Palestinians, barely registered. Under Corbyn and a much-expanded membership, these prejudices are being challenged in public for the first time – and that is justifiably making the party an "unsafe" space for groups such as the JLM and Labour Friends of Israel, which hang on to outdated, hardline Zionist positions. The JLM’s claim to speak for all Jews in Labour has been challenged by anti-racist Jews like those of the Jewish Voice for Labour. Their efforts to defend Corbyn and Labour’s record have been widely ignored by the media or, encouraged by JLM, dismissed as "downplaying" anti-semitism. History catching up The JLM’s discomfort may be unfortunate, but it cannot be avoided. It is the price to be paid for the continuing battle by progressives to advance universal rights and defeat racism. This battle has been waged since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was published in 1948 – paradoxically, the year Israel was established by violating the core principles of that declaration. Israel’s racism towards Palestinians has been indulged by Labour for too long. Now history is catching up with Israel, and with groups such as the JLM. Labour MPs have a choice. They can stand on the wrong side of history, battling the tide like some modern King Canute, or they can recognise that it is time to fully enter the modern era – and that means embracing a programme of anti-racism that encompasses everyone, including Jews and Palestinians https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/labours-civil-war-israel-has-been-long-time-coming
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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

    Maybe he should pull off his moustache to prove he's not Grouch Marx. So basically resign and you're not a racist but stay and we'll keep calling you one till you do.... I think Witches got a better deal with the ducking stool
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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

    I agree Corbyn isn't a leader, never has been never will be but then who takes over from him who would also ensure that you have a manifesto that is similar to the one in 2017 ? You pick Starmer I don't think he would or go with the likes of McDonnell and the same thing about being a Marxist and terrorist sympathiser rears it's head with the same shit-bag MP's like Phillips, Streeting and Coyle undermining the party.
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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

    I see the unhinged one has been allowed to spout her usual shite For such a long article there seems a distinct lack of evidence, then again when has that stopped her https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/17/antisemitism-labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-margaret-hodge?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1563351939
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    Theresa "MAY" not build a better Britain.

    Nice to see someone calling them out for what they are as the media and Labour MP's certainly don't
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    Big Events That Haven't Been Made Into Films

    The Brighton Bombing in 1984 when the IRA tried to take out Thatcher and her cabinet.... Maybe in the movie version they get it right
  8. Stickman

    The Who vs Led Zeppelin

    This got re-released the other week although I've never seen the whole show
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    The New Cricket Thread

    On at the Picturehouse at Fact tomorrow night....
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    The Who vs Led Zeppelin

    You'll get no argument with me regarding Daltrey he can be an arse but like most rock stars of that age they tent to spout shite As for Townshend maybe read his autobiography that came out about 7 years ago and find out?
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    Nice to see Liddle (spokesman for the people???) being called out for his vile racist opinions for a change even if he looks like he wants to launch at Matis...I guess her not being pregnant put him off
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    The Who vs Led Zeppelin

    This weekend.....???? What next Boy George introduces Bob Dylan? Should be interesting though Bros's Luke Goss introduces - Robert Plant: By Myself https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006vs9
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    The New Cricket Thread

    I guess it's true tense sport really does age you... So hopefully this pair of cunts haven't got long left
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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

    If your wife/daughters are going out tonight tell them to be afraid very afraid as the worst rapists/misogynists and not nice people come from Liverpool
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    The New Cricket Thread

    Stokes said ",looking forward to celebrating tonight " Let's hope it's not in Bristol Brilliant from him though especially after the 20/20 World Cup final over . Made up for Archer must have took bottle as that would've taken a lot to come back from