Russia v Ukraine

[Brownie]

He’s better than Trump but yeah, his age is a big problem. Hopefully it’ll be Harris before too long.

 

These are bad times to have the current leaders that we have.

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Strontium]

If I was looking for a solid, unbiased take, I probably wouldn't look for it with "Producer, host at Press TV | Contributor to RT".

[dockers_strike]

Alex Salmond is facing fresh demands to cancel his show on the Russian propaganda channel RT amid calls for the Kremlin-funded broadcaster to be banned in the UK.

 

The former First Minister, who has hosted a weekly show on the station since 2017, was warned that he was acting as a "useful idiot" to Vladimir Putin and that his presence on the network was damaging Scotland’s reputation.

 

Mr Salmond’s Alba Party on Tuesday issued a condemnation of Russia’s move to send troops into two breakaway regions of eastern Ukraine, but called for "Russia’s own security interests" to also be considered in coming to a peaceful solution.

 

Last week, Mr Salmond's party attacked the UK and US for "hyping" a possible conflict and claimed there was a lack of evidence to justify warnings of Russian aggression.

RT must be 'prevented from broadcasting its propaganda'

Sir Keir Starmer led calls on Tuesday for RT, which is regulated by Ofcom and broadcasts 24 hours a day in the UK, to be "prevented from broadcasting its propaganda".

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He was backed up by Stewart McDonald, defence spokesman for the SNP, the party Mr Salmond previously led for two decades.

Mr McDonald said Russia’s "disinformation networks" were critical in justifying and maintaining Russian aggression and said it was "time they went".

 

On Tuesday morning, the page for Mr Salmond’s show on the RT website included links to articles describing Mr Putin’s incursion into Donetsk and Lugansk as an attempt to "secure the peace" and showing the "delight" of local people.

'International embarrassment'

"It’s an international embarrassment that a former first minister of Scotland has continued to take a pay cheque from what is effectively an extension of the Kremlin, amid these escalating tensions," Donald Cameron, external affairs spokesman for the Scottish Tories, said.

"Ukraine is on the edge of war with an aggressive Russia, yet Alex Salmond sees no ethical conflict in being hand and glove with a major propaganda outlet for Putin’s invading regime.

 

"As if we needed any more proof, Alex Salmond has once again demonstrated a complete lack of credibility and moral fitness by continuing with this grubby deal."

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Mr Salmond has regularly defended his links to RT by claiming he is free to address whichever topics he likes on his show.

 

He faced repeated questioning over the issue during his unsuccessful bid to win a Holyrood seat last year, and repeatedly refused to say whether he believed Russia was behind the Salisbury poisonings.

Ofcom said it will examine complaints about RT's coverage of the Ukraine crisis "as a priority", following the calls in the Commons.

In 2019, the broadcaster was fined £200,000 by the regulator for failing to follow impartiality rules in 2018, largely over reports regarding the Salisbury poisonings and Syrian conflict.

An Ofcom spokesman said: "Given the seriousness of the Ukraine crisis, we will examine complaints about any broadcaster's coverage of these events as a priority."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/22/alex-salmond-faces-calls-cancel-show-russian-propaganda-channel/

[Red Phoenix]

24 minutes ago, Strontium said:

If I was looking for a solid, unbiased take, I probably wouldn't look for it with "Producer, host at Press TV | Contributor to RT".

 

He was born in Damascus, after how pissed off he probably is at what the US and EU helped do to Syria you're probably never going to like his take on things.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

He was born in Damascus, after how pissed off he probably is at what the US and EU helped do to Syria you're probably never going to like his take on things.

 

Well, if he blames the US and EU for what Assad and Putin did to Syria, then yes, chances are I'm not going to put much stock in what he thinks.

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

How did the son of a KGB agent get a seat in the house of Lords.  Who on earth would sign off on that?

Obviously if labour did the same  the media would choose not to mention it.

[skend04]

Have they kiboshed the 'work' at Bramley Docks yet?

 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Russia are the Alan Rickman of the world. They can play poets and heroes, but they make better baddies.

[Red Phoenix]

14 minutes ago, Strontium said:

Well, if he blames the US and EU for what Assad and Putin did to Syria, then yes, chances are I'm not going to put much stock in what he thinks.

 

He has good reason to blame the US especially : Behind the Sudden Death of a $1 Billion Secret C.I.A. War in Syria

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Can better informed people determine why Abramovich hasnt been sanctioned under these latest Government moves over Ukraine?

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Can better informed people determine why Abramovich hasnt been sanctioned under these latest Government moves over Ukraine?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-roman-abramovich-sanctions-b2020535.html%3famp

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1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-roman-abramovich-sanctions-b2020535.html%3famp

What a fucking tit. Sorry, out of juice until later.

 

Edit, apparently not!

[Preston Red]

As bad as all this is, it'll make looking at the share scheme at work a bit more interesting tomorrow morning.

[No2]

52 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Can better informed people determine why Abramovich hasnt been sanctioned under these latest Government moves over Ukraine?

He's a self made Portuguese citizen, nothing to see here.

[Creator Supreme]

2 minutes ago, No2 said:

He's a self made Portuguese citizen, nothing to see here.

I thought Abramovich had Israeli citizenship?

[No2]

1 minute ago, Creator Supreme said:

I thought Abramovich had Israeli citizenship?

EU > Israel > Russia. His family were expelled back in the day, he's just returning to his roots, nothing to do with protecting wealth.

[Vincent Vega]

 

[SasaS]

[Red Phoenix]

 

[SasaS]

Ah, poor Russia, surrounded by its neighbours.

[Brownie]

20 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Sorry but that’s complete and utter horseshit.

 

Ukraine has the right to do what it wants, whether Russia likes it or not.

 

There’s absolutely zero threat of Ukraine ever invading Russia so this argument is just complete bollocks i’m afraid.

 

They're basically saying, “you are building up forces on our border that is a threat to our security so instead we will invade you!”

 

Retarded. 

[dockers_strike]

18 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Not sure he meant to say Ukraine should be neutralised. And to be fair, it isnt just the US that's making noises about China expansionism in the South China sea.

 

Bottom line is you either appease a country making these types of expansionism or you draw a line and say no further.

 

One set of problems presents if you appease them in the first instance and they continue expanding. A different set of problems present if you draw a line and they step over it.

 

Talk is Putin wants a Ukraine to stay out of NATO and possibly the EU. Would he pull back his forces if the relevant parties said no NATO and EU admission or would he just give another excuse to push on?

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Sorry but that’s complete and utter horseshit.

 

Ukraine has the right to do what it wants, whether Russia likes it or not.

 

There’s absolutely zero threat of Ukraine ever invading Russia so this argument is just complete bollocks i’m afraid.

 

1 minute ago, dockers_strike said:

Not sure he meant to say Ukraine should be neutralised. And to be fair, it isnt just the US that's making noises about China expansionism in the South China sea.

 

Bottom line is you either appease a country making these types of expansionism or you draw a line and say no further.

 

One set of problems presents if you appease them in the first instance and they continue expanding. A different set of problems present if you draw a line and they step over it.

 

Talk is Putin wants a Ukraine to stay out of NATO and possibly the EU. Would he pull back his forces if the relevant parties said no NATO and EU admission or would he just give another excuse to push on?

 

The US led NATO that's swept across Europe is the problem and the fascists that are all over Ukraine. That's why Russia are there. There's nothing good about Russia being in Ukraine and the thought of them waging war across the country. Nobody has to support something like that and I don't think any of us do.

 

At the same time, there's nothing good about blindly supporting NATO, pretending they're just a peaceful alliance or being in denial about why Russia are doing what they're doing.

 

There's zero risk to our entire species from Russia being in the Ukraine, zero, as bad as the situation is for the Ukrainian people. There definitely is a serious risk if NATO get involved militarily though. An agreement should really be between the EU countries and Russia, it should have fuck all to do with the US that are halfway around the world from the problem area.

 

Seeing as that won't happen though a solution is for the Ukraine gov, US gov and NATO to back down and work out some type of agreement instead. All three of them are so fucking crazed though that it's really uncertain if they're mentally capable of accepting that.

 

The way the current world is set up, it's clear that the US, Russia and China have to work together to maintain some type of peace and balance. You don't get that with the US/EU/NATO thinking they can dominate the planet.

[Brownie]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

The US led NATO that's swept across Europe is the problem and the fascists that are all over Ukraine. That's why Russia are there. There's nothing good about Russia being in Ukraine and the thought of them waging war across the country. Nobody has to support something like that and I don't think any of us do.

 

At the same time, there's nothing good about blindly supporting NATO, pretending they're just a peaceful alliance or being in denial about why Russia are doing what they're doing.

 

There's zero risk to our entire species from Russia being in the Ukraine, zero, as bad as the situation is for the Ukrainian people. There definitely is a serious risk if NATO get involved militarily though. An agreement should really be between the EU countries and Russia, it should have fuck all to do with the US that are halfway around the world from the problem area.

 

Seeing as that won't happen though a solution is for the Ukraine gov, US gov and NATO to back down and work out some type of agreement instead. All three of them are so fucking crazed though that it's really uncertain if they're mentally capable of accepting that.

 

The way the current world is set up, it's clear that the US, Russia and China have to work together to maintain some type of peace and balance. You don't get that with the US/EU/NATO thinking they can dominate the planet.

You’re a fucking lunatic mate.