Tory Cabinet Thread

[Evelyn Tentions]

6 hours ago, cloggypop said:

The main problem with this is that trickle down economics are a load of fucking bollocks and don't work whatsoever as shown by recent extensive research from the London School of Economics 

 

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2020/L-December/Tax-cuts-for-the-rich

There are three kinds of lies.

Lies, damned lies and  trice down economics.

[Bruce Spanner]

Good Law Project - Update 16/2/21

"This agency is the one who are Dom Cummings / Lee Cain's mates, and hence getting all our work with no contract BUT are also spending much money on doing all our ridiculous groups".

These are the words of the Head of Insight and Evaluation for the Prime Minister’s Office and Cabinet Office, describing a Government contract handed to friends of Dominic Cummings. It’s just one of several explosive emails revealed in yesterday’s hearing of our judicial review of the decision to award the contract without tender.

 

Documents disclosed to the court revealed that civil servants queried Public First’s costs and asked whether the contract was going to tender (it wasn’t). In one candid exchange a civil servant describes the deal as "tory party research agency tests tory party narrative on public purse".

 

In Dominic Cummings’ sworn witness statement, he accepts he was the driving force in handing the contract to Public First, and that he was indeed friends with the owners. He chose to justify his actions by disparaging all other market research agencies, claiming “Very few companies in this field are competent, almost none are very competent, honest and reliable".

 

Government has racked up staggering sums of money to defend this judicial review, we believe with the intention of deterring similar challenges in future. Reading the documents disclosed in yesterday’s hearing, it’s not hard to see why they would want to avoid similar challenges.

 

We believe it is right that the public see how their money has been dished out to those in Dominic Cummings' inner circle, and we have published all documents we are able to - sadly we cannot give you the whole bundle, much though we would like to - relating to the case here, along with a summary of the hearing. We now await judgement from the court. In the meantime, I wanted to thank you for your support. Our work is only possible thanks to thousands of people like you.

[Bjornebye]

The snakes will get away with it. 

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

The snakes will get away with it. 

Yup, I assume as much.

 

Though as a test case it’s good, some of the others have much better claims of impropriety and better chances of an unfavourable outcome for the government, especially as claims yesterday were made that people at the top didn’t even know who contracts were given to, or for what.

[cloggypop]

Finding it a bit unbelievable that Dominic Cummings has mates to be honest. 

 

He wouldn't walk around dressed like that if he did for a start. 

[Gnasher]

Just announced most excess covid jabs will go to developing countries, all well and good. 

 

The other side is Britain is about to plunge into the most disastrous foreign policy since the Iraq war, the cutting of overseas aid. It'll plunge millions of developing countries into untold hardship and will result in starvation and a massive movement of peoples. It shouldn't be cut it should be raised.

 

The idiots championing this nonsense will be the first to complain at the inevitable result of increasing immigration.

 

According to polling I'm in the minority on this, two thirds of the country agree with the cut.

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/11/25/two-thirds-britons-support-cutting-foreign-aid-bud

[Bobby Hundreds]

I feel more ashamed of being British than anything else these days. It really is becoming a fox network nation. Murdoch you fucking cancer of humanity.

[Section_31]

Labour voters come away with some kudos though.

 

 

The move is near-universally popular among Conservative voters, 92% of whom are in support. Support is lower among Labour and Lib Dem voters, but the move is still more popular than not: Labour voters back it by 44% to 37% and Lib Dem voters do so by 49% to 35%.

[Bruce Spanner]

On 16/02/2021 at 11:20, Bruce Spanner said:

Yup, I assume as much.

 

Though as a test case it’s good, some of the others have much better claims of impropriety and better chances of an unfavourable outcome for the government, especially as claims yesterday were made that people at the top didn’t even know who contracts were given to, or for what.

Maybe not!!!!

 

The high court just ruled in favour of the GLP and that the government acted unlawfully.

 

Brilliant news.

 

he High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of the award of contracts.” We have won the judicial review we brought alongside Debbie Abrahams MP, Caroline Lucas MP, and Layla Moran MP.

In handing down the judgment, Judge Chamberlain brought into sharp focus why this case was so important. “The Secretary of State spent vast quantities of public money on pandemic-related procurements during 2020. The public were entitled to see who this money was going to, what it was being spent on and how the relevant contracts were awarded.”

[Mudface]

17 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Maybe not!!!!

 

The high court just ruled in favour of the GLP and that the government acted unlawfully.

 

Brilliant news.

 

he High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of the award of contracts.” We have won the judicial review we brought alongside Debbie Abrahams MP, Caroline Lucas MP, and Layla Moran MP.

In handing down the judgment, Judge Chamberlain brought into sharp focus why this case was so important. “The Secretary of State spent vast quantities of public money on pandemic-related procurements during 2020. The public were entitled to see who this money was going to, what it was being spent on and how the relevant contracts were awarded.”

Excellent, more details here- https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-judgment-is-in/

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

The law judgement didnt make the first four headlines on bbc1 news. They were. 1 Harry & Megan.2. Covid rates going down. 3. Uber. 4. Mars. 

 

The tory judgement wasnt mentioned.

[sir roger]

To be fair ITV never mentioned it at all either.

[Gnasher]

There are people who still refuse to believe the game isnt rigged.

 

 

 

Edit,  the bbc Kunty's off work whilst the number 2 Nick Robinson has ignored the ruling completely and is tweeting about bitcoin going mainstream instead of being for computer nerds and drug dealers.

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

The Nick Robinson tweet above does ask some interesting questions. If users of the bitcoin currency are drug dealers as Nick implies how much do SpyBee or Red P charge for an ounce of weed?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 19/02/2021 at 09:42, Gnasher said:

Just announced most excess covid jabs will go to developing countries, all well and good. 

 

The other side is Britain is about to plunge into the most disastrous foreign policy since the Iraq war, the cutting of overseas aid. It'll plunge millions of developing countries into untold hardship and will result in starvation and a massive movement of peoples. It shouldn't be cut it should be raised.

 

The idiots championing this nonsense will be the first to complain at the inevitable result of increasing immigration.

 

According to polling I'm in the minority on this, two thirds of the country agree with the cut.

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/11/25/two-thirds-britons-support-cutting-foreign-aid-bud

The aid budget is one of those things that most people never give a second thought to, but the papers they read tell them that it's too high and we can't afford it, so when a cut gets proposed, they'll agree with it.

[Bobby Hundreds]

19 hours ago, Gnasher said:

The Nick Robinson tweet above does ask some interesting questions. If users of the bitcoin currency are drug dealers as Nick implies how much do SpyBee or Red P charge for an ounce of weed?

Why do they single out crypto as drug dealers using it, like cash is immune to the effects of crime.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Why do they single out crypto as drug dealers using it, like cash is immune to the effects of crime.

I honestly dont know. Is it because Crypto is more secretive? Not sure.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

 

[Gnasher]

On 21/02/2021 at 01:32, AngryofTuebrook said:

The aid budget is one of those things that most people never give a second thought to, but the papers they read tell them that it's too high and we can't afford it, so when a cut gets proposed, they'll agree with it.

It looks like the tories are going to make slashing foreign aid an issue for the next election and as you say its popular amongst the mail readers and the country as a whole. It'll mean inequality, famine and starvation for millions living in extreme policy. The irony is the result will result in the massive migration of peoples searching for help. Obviously the aftermath of middle east wars has taught our politicians little.

 

On a slightly separate issue Prince Charles was derided a few years ago when he suggested the increase in immigration is down to climate change drying up vast swathes of land in countrys like Syria, Lybia etc, making farmers unable to cultivate. Charles had a point and if aid was giving to farmers to update machinery it would make a hugh difference to poor third world countries, although our thirst for war was the dominant factor in people fleeing Syria and Libya.

 

Another problem is it's not as simple as a good/bad argument. The old saying of foreign aid being a system where poor people in rich countries give money to rich people in poor countries rings true in certain circumstances, ie we give aid to India's cast system, a country with nuclear weapons. 

 

I can see the tories boxing labour into a corner on overseas aid and Starmer needs to be fleet footed not to fall into the trap of nationalist tub thumpers. The futures looking grim.

[Gnasher]

29 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Aid has been terribly managed by DfiD. An awful lot of cash went to UK management consultancy firms and never got anywhere near a third world country. I knew a couple of foreign aid consultants, massive houses, second homes and ten years of private school fees all paid for by Dfid.  

Yeah that's what I hinted at when I said it's not just a yes or no situation. Similar to most charities, the bosses rake a fortune off the top. However if third world and especially poor African countries are denied aid it's going to result in many avoidable deaths. If Britain and Europe invested more in the infrastructure of underdeveloped countries the results would benefit everyone.

[Bobby Hundreds]

A transparent public enquiry should happen on every penny the government spend, the contracts handed out and MPs links. Its like organised crime but they write the rules. Still pisses me off Robert Jenrick is still allowed to be an MP.

[Gnasher]

21 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

A transparent public enquiry should happen on every penny the government spend, the contracts handed out and MPs links. Its like organised crime but they write the rules. Still pisses me off Robert Jenrick is still allowed to be an MP.

Yeah I dont think the corruption has ever been this blatant 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/11/test-trace-callers-worked-just-1pc-time-22bn-thrown-efforts/

 

[Chairman Meow]

34 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

A transparent public enquiry should happen on every penny the government spend, the contracts handed out and MPs links. Its like organised crime but they write the rules. Still pisses me off Robert Jenrick is still allowed to be an MP walk free.

Fixed.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Just now, Colonel Kurtz said:

The NAO should be a lot more assertive about this. That's the point of them. I think the whole of Government is dreading the public enquiry into Covid but I bet its kicked down the road for years. 

They'll just tell us to move on and we will move on.