Racism

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

The first part - the power in history has always been with the Church. They were the original politicos.

 

In italics - you live in the UK and you think religion is way down the list?

The power in history has always been with the ruling classes.  Religions and their followers have, at various times (to the present day) been persecuted by the ruling classes; sometimes in the name of another religion, sometimes in the name of none.  Rulers keep their subjects in line by enlisting them in the greatest battle of all: the battle between "Us" and "Them".  Sometimes they use religion to define Us & Them. To blame religion for all these centuries of violence and oppression is like blaming hammers for the Yorkshire Ripper murders.

 

(And, yes, I live in the UK and this forum has more influence on my daily life than all the religions combined.)

[Red Shift]

11 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

One big happy family.

 

Now move to the back of the bus.

please Sir - I’d like to be moved to the Top-Front of the bus. By the heaters on a cold winters day.

[TheHowieLama]

8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nope. Genetic traits are certainly not race based, 

 

 

Crap - here I was thinking I would get a pass on sickle cell anemia.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Crap - here I was thinking I would get a pass on sickle cell anemia.

Some conditions are more prevalent among people from different genetic backgrounds.

 

That doesn't mean that "race" exists as anything other than a social construct.

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The power in history has always been with the ruling classes.  Religions and their followers have, at various times (to the present day) been persecuted by the ruling classes; sometimes in the name of another religion, sometimes in the name of none.  Rulers keep their subjects in line by enlisting them in the greatest battle of all: the battle between "Us" and "Them".  Sometimes they use religion to define Us & Them. To blame religion for all these centuries of violence and oppression is like blaming hammers for the Yorkshire Ripper murders.

 

(And, yes, I live in the UK and this forum has more influence on my daily life than all the religions combined.)

 

I think you would have to be extraordinarily naive to not realize throughout the fat end of history the ruling class and the church were one and the same.

 

Who is the head of the Church of England anyway?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

 

I think you would have to be extraordinarily naive to not realize throughout the fat end of history the ruling class and the church were one and the same.

 

Who is the head of the Church of England anyway?

I think you'd have to be extraordinarily... something not to realise that I acknowledged that.

 

The head of the CofE is the King.  Do you know how much impact Jug-Ears has on my daily life?  Less than the GF.

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I think you'd have to be extraordinarily... something not to realise that I acknowledged that.

 

The head of the CofE is the King.  Do you know how much impact Jug-Ears has on my daily life?  Less than the GF.

 

Not a big cause and effect fella are you?

500 years on.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Not a big cause and effect fella are you?

500 years on.

Er...?

 

What impact do you think the CofE has on my daily life?

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Er...?

 

What impact do you think the CofE has on my daily life?

 

What impact do I think the Monarchy/Church have had on shaping the current state of the UK, in turn, just about everything in your daily life?

 

Alot. I already said that. Do you think austerity was a political concept before it was a religious one?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

What impact do I think the Monarchy/Church have had on shaping the current state of the UK, in turn, just about everything in your daily life?

 

Alot. I already said that. Do you think austerity was a political concept before it was a religious one?

You're wrong.  There's next to nothing in my daily life that is shaped by religion. The economic policy of austerity certainly has no religious basis.

 

Do you live in the UK?

 

(The fact that the CofE was founded following a political spat between Henry VIII and the Catholic Church sort of reinforces my point: it's all about power politics; religion is secondary, at best.)

 

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You're wrong.  There's next to nothing in my daily life that is shaped by religion. The economic policy of austerity certainly has no religious basis.

 

Do you live in the UK?

 

(The fact that the CofE was founded following a political spat between Henry VIII and the Catholic Church sort of reinforces my point: it's all about power politics; religion is secondary, at best.)

 

 

First I think you have started to conflate religion with the Church and it's actions.

 

On the bold - passing the hat amongst the peasants was austerity for centuries. The concept of austerity is literally rooted in the Church and was co opted by the gubmint, guilt trip and all.

You may want to think that the religious folks have had no effect on the policies of the past, shaping the current and will continue to - moreso than any other outside influence - but I disagree. No biggie.

 

Live there? Fuck no, it's freezing half the time.

US for me and I have no reservations about acknowledging the massive influence the Church folks have had on this country, past and present. Roe v Wade was just repealed man.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

My point is that, in the UK, we don't have anything like the religious fundamentalist lobby that is so powerful in the States.  We have an established church, but (apart from things like Easter & Christmas holidays and shit telly on a Sunday morning) it's really easy to ignore.

 

The austere living promoted by the early Christian communities was all about looking after each other and looking after those worse off than themselves.  (You could call it proto-Socialism.). Economic austerity - as practised by ruling classes either in the name of religion or in its absence - is the opposite of that: it's just all about power and greed.

[Kevin D]

Horrible to think things like this still happen in the world:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/22/jim-irsay-dui-arrest-white-billonaire-prejudjice
 

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said his March 2014 arrest for driving under the influence was a result of prejudice against him for being white and wealthy.

 

The longtime NFL owner spoke about the circumstances of his arrest in an interview with the HBO show Real Sports that aired on Tuesday. Irsay later pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of operating a vehicle while impaired after initially facing four additional counts of possession of a controlled substance.

 

“I am prejudiced against because I’m a rich, white billionaire,” Irsay told HBO’s Andrea Kremer. “If I’m just the average guy down the block, they’re not pulling me in, of course not.”

 

Asked how he thinks it sounds for a white billionaire to claim that he’s a victim of prejudice, Irsay stood by his remarks.

 

“I don’t care what it sounds like,” Irsay said. “It’s the truth ... I could give a damn what people think how anything sounds or sounds like. The truth is the truth, and I know the truth.”

 

Police in the Indianapolis suburb of Carmel pulled Irsay over after observing a man in a Toyota Highlander driving slowly, stopping in the roadway and failing to use a turn signal. Authorities discovered various prescription drugs in Irsay’s vehicle along with more than $29,000 in cash.

 

A toxicology report showed Irsay had the painkillers oxycodone and hydrocodone as well as alprazolam, which is used to treat anxiety, in his system at the time of his arrest. Officers on the scene said he had trouble reciting the alphabet and failed other field sobriety tests.

 

The NFL suspended Irsay for the first six of his team’s games the following season and fined him $500,000.

 

Irsay claimed that when he was asked to take a field sobriety test and looked unsteady walking, it was because he had just had hip surgery. Asked why he pleaded guilty if he had been profiled, Irsay said he just wanted to get it over with.

 

The Carmel police department said in an emailed statement to the Indianapolis Star: “We are very sorry to hear that comment about our officers and our department. We have a very professional agency consisting of officers that strive to protect our community with integrity and professionalism.”

 

The 64-year-old businessman also told Real Sports that he has gone to rehab for addiction 15 times and that he once nearly died of an overdose, adding that “addiction and alcoholism is a fatal disease.”
 

Irsay’s father, Robert Irsay, built his fortune through a series of successful heating and air-conditioning companies before purchasing the Baltimore Colts and controversially relocating the team to Indiana in 1984.

 

Jim Irsay has owned the Colts since 1997, when he emerged victorious from a legal battle with his stepmother over the ownership of the team following the death of his father.

[Pidge]

4 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

My point is that, in the UK, we don't have anything like the religious fundamentalist lobby that is so powerful in the States.  We have an established church, but (apart from things like Easter & Christmas holidays and shit telly on a Sunday morning) it's really easy to ignore.

 

The austere living promoted by the early Christian communities was all about looking after each other and looking after those worse off than themselves.  (You could call it proto-Socialism.). Economic austerity - as practised by ruling classes either in the name of religion or in its absence - is the opposite of that: it's just all about power and greed.

We do have 21 bishops in the house of lords, mind.

[Jairzinho]

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I could give a damn

 

 

Easily the most offensive thing he said.

[TheHowieLama]

37 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

 

Easily the most offensive thing he said.

 

Be honest - you couldn't care less about that.

[Pidge]

Nah, it's a pretty annoying one, that. But then, I'm sad enough to get irritated by "addicting" as well.

[polymerpunkah]

They arrested that fellow in New York last night.

 

 

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

They arrested that fellow in New York last night.

 

 

 

Video of it on the Israeli thread.

[Bjornebye]

Suspect pleads not guilty after three men of Palestinian descent shot in Vermont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67539809
 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Fucking grim.

 

 

[Pidge]

 

One of those times where you realise how badly passive, personable hosts will just let people editorialise in the very worst way without challenge. All about keeping an open mind, of course.

 

It's the racist murder of Anthony Walker, he's dismissing as a "scrap", the rat.

[Bjornebye]

39 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Fucking grim.

 

 

 

Horrible little twat. 

 

28 minutes ago, Pidge said:

 

One of those times where you realise how badly passive, personable hosts will just let people editorialise in the very worst way without challenge. All about keeping an open mind, of course.

 

It's the racist murder of Anthony Walker, he's dismissing as a "scrap", the rat.

 

Another horrible twat. I used to listen to that James fells podcasts a bit earlier this year but he does have some utter cunts on and when he has the cunts on he generally ends up coming across like one himself. 

[polymerpunkah]

They've charged the teenager in KC with aggravated battery.

 

He's 15, charged as a minor.

 

Due process, etc.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Why on earth was the Black girl suspended?