Racism

[A Red]

37 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Why would you say obviously?

 

When you call a supporter of a certain team a Hun is that racist?

 

You're looking at the wrong bingo word. Of course there's a racial element to it but it's not racist.

 

Now, look for examples of sectarian bigotry on here and you will find it easily. 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Where did I say that? 

 

 

That all Muslims are the same race?

It would be directly implied if Islamophobia is racist. Otherwise it couldn't be right?

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, A Red said:

You're looking at the wrong bingo word. Of course there's a racial element to it but it's not racist.

 

 

Not sure if you are referring to Islamophobia or the word Hun here.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

That all Muslims are the same race?

It would be directly implied if Islamophobia is racist. Otherwise it couldn't be right?

 

In my book being prejudiced to someone because they are muslim is racist. I might be wrong, you could have a different definition. Ask a few of the racists on here. 

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Was he? Must have a had a shit lawyer. I've been to plenty of Old Firms and been around Celtic supporters all my life, not one has ever aligned the term "hun" with any religious association. 

 

He appealed the religious prejudiced ruling and lost. The ruling was made by Scottish folks so they must be clued in.

 

Their words:

 

"The fact that the word 'hun' is used as a derogatory term to describe supporters of Rangers FC, who are perceived to be predominantly of the Protestant faith, is, in our view, a matter of judicial knowledge."

[Bjornebye]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

 

He appealed the religious prejudiced ruling and lost. The ruling was made by Scottish folks so they must be clued in.

 

Like I said, I don't see a racial element to the word. Have you got a link to the case? Passed me by. Ta

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Like I said, I don't see a racial element to the word. Have you got a link to the case? Passed me by. Ta

 

What I said:

Hun certainly has a religious connotation.

 

You do see a racist element to the words fenian and taig though right?

 

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/09/news/scottish_judges_uphold_conviction_that_football_fan_s_hun_insult_was_sectarian-3682467/#:~:text=His legal team attempted to,are believed to support Rangers.

 

“Whatever the historical origins of the word, in its modern usage well informed persons in the west of Scotland recognise that when used in a footballing context, the word has now been adopted as an abusive sectarian term used to cause offence to those of the Protestant faith, not simply as a reference to a supporter of Rangers FC.

"It is, in that respect, no different to the use of the term 'fenian' as a form of sectarian abuse to describe Celtic supporters who are perceived to be predominantly of the Roman Catholic faith.”

[Mook]

Surely being prejudiced against Muslims is sectarian, as opposed to racist. Given Islam is a religion and not a race.

 

I could convert to Islam, wouldn't make me the same race as someone from Palestine.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

What I said:

Hun certainly has a religious connotation.

 

You do see a racist element to the words fenian and taig though right?

 

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/09/news/scottish_judges_uphold_conviction_that_football_fan_s_hun_insult_was_sectarian-3682467/#:~:text=His legal team attempted to,are believed to support Rangers.

 

“Whatever the historical origins of the word, in its modern usage well informed persons in the west of Scotland recognise that when used in a footballing context, the word has now been adopted as an abusive sectarian term used to cause offence to those of the Protestant faith, not simply as a reference to a supporter of Rangers FC.

"It is, in that respect, no different to the use of the term 'fenian' as a form of sectarian abuse to describe Celtic supporters who are perceived to be predominantly of the Roman Catholic faith.”

 

It's a matter of opinion isn't it. That said< I agreed not to use it on here anymore when someone went crying to Dave. It offended them so I rightly agreed not to use the term. It's not really a term I use lightly anyway. "the word has now been adopted" smacks of "We don't like it so let's say it's religious despite it stemming from a newspaper article and not making any fucking sense religiously" 

[TheHowieLama]

27 minutes ago, Strontium said:

I don't agree that criticism of a government's actions cannot be racism.

 

Doesn't that make criticism of only a select few government's racist?

Seems a strange pov.

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

It's a matter of opinion isn't it.

 

It is - that's why I found the opinions of Scots relative to the conversation.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

It is - that's why I found the opinions of Scots relative to the conversation.

Good on you. Well done. 

[Bjornebye]

I’ve just read that article, sounds like the sheriffs made up their own interpretation. Lots of very convenient opinions when it comes to racism eh. 

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Doesn't that make criticism of only a select few government's racist?

Seems a strange pov.

 

No, I think you could be prejudiced against any national or ethnic group.

 

Okay, let's try a thought experiment. Is it racist to arrest thieves?

[Bjornebye]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

 

People are questioning the death toll figures coming out of Gaza. People question a lot of things. It's not an exclusive thing against Jewish people no matter who much you try to spin it that way. 

 

Also, what's the harm in people wondering what was on the t-shirt? Do you think that Stuart Seldowitz should be jailed for his racism as well? 

How did I know this wouldn’t get an answer. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

No, I think you could be prejudiced against any national or ethnic group.

 

Okay, let's try a thought experiment. Is it racist to arrest thieves?

 

Before we do the experiment why have you changed the word at the base of the conversation?

 

The reply was:

 

I don't agree that criticism of a government's actions cannot be racism.

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Lots of very convenient opinions when it comes to racism eh. 

 

Where in the article is racism mentioned?

[TheHowieLama]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How did I know this wouldn’t get an answer. 

 

On another topic I doubt that Seldowitz will be charged.

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Before we do the experiment why have you changed the word at the base of the conversation?

 

The reply was:

 

I don't agree that criticism of a government's actions cannot be racism.

 

It was my understanding that racism encompassed prejudice against a person because of their racial, ethnic or national background.

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

It was my understanding that racism encompassed prejudice against a person because of their racial, ethnic or national background.

 

Not mine. 

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

On another topic I doubt that Seldowitz will be charged.

I doubt he will also. What was the term used earlier? Different rules for different groups? Now imagine if somebody said that regarding Jewish people. Would that be anti-Semitic? 
 

 

[Red Shift]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Tribalism is rampant as anyone with an "interest" in anything can find an echo chamber.

 

 

Tribalism probably built civilisation. Fear is a hell of a motivator, if one can get past the temporary paralysis.

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Not mine. 

 

So it's not racist to be prejudiced against a person because of their racial, ethnic or national background? I have to say, that would be a minority opinion.

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

So it's not racist to be prejudiced against a person because of their racial, ethnic or national background? I have to say, that would be a minority opinion.

 

Ethnic/ National background? That is the question we are discussing.

 

Folks in the US/UK all share a national background yet can certainly be racist towards one another.

 

Leave the minorities opinions out of this....

 

[Red Shift]

9 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Ethnic/ National background? That is the question we are discussing.

 

Folks in the US/UK all share a national background yet can certainly be racist towards one another.

 

Leave the minorities opinions out of this....

 

To me, this is confusing.