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A Few Thoughts from the Match: Liverpool 1 Burnley 1

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1. Sigh.   *Be positive, be positive, be positive*   2. Salah is a cracking signing: pace, touch, movement, goals. Is right. 3. We played some decent stuff in the first half.   4. Erm...   5.

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Or see it as facile nonsense. "He cares. He can't help it." is pretty risible as justification for behaviour which is actually self-defeating.   I'm not criticising him showing passion; I'm criticis

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No one gives a shit about Jimmy.

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I didn't say/imply he'd done nothing - the points you've made are patently evident points of fact; I simply said/implied the problem isn't resolved.

 

I have to say though I find your obsequious level of deference towards authority to be incredible - both as a Red and as someone living in contemporary society. Shanks - our founding father, in many ways - recognised the absolute importance of the fans above all others. Furthermore the notion that trust in authority figures should be unquestioning is an insult to all. Both Liverpool and broader society has been failed by authority figures time after time. Of course I'm not drawing parallels between Klopp and the corrupt cunts who've shafted ordinary people so frequently. But I am bewildered how anyone could adopt such an uncritical gaze.

 

I'm not calling for Klopp's head. I think there's a huge amount to admire about him and the job he's done and I can also see clear progress either underway or in place for the future.

 

However, on the specific issue of our defending he is responsible for a situation where pretty much all fans expert fundamental and costly errors every time we play. Getting angry with fans for reacting to a long-standing problem he has not been able to improve is futile and self-defeating and it's in his interests to stop it. I find it absolutely bewildering that anyone could have a problem with that point. Unless you think kicking off on the fans will turn out well, in which case good luck to you.

 

As for inadequacies, you either do not understand what the word means or you're just lashing out because you can't address the points I'm making and it's frustrating you.

 

And there you go again with your defensive 'I didnt say \ imply' blah, blah, blah. I countered your supposition that the manager hadnt done anything to change the defensive weaknesses. He clearly has. Some changes havent worked (Karius), different personnel have been brought in (Matip and Robertson) and other targets havent arrived (van Dijk or others).

 

It really is a simple concept to grasp.

 

Oh please spare me the social political pyschology claptrap, we're talking about football and you're over complicating it.

 

Its ok referring to Shankly but we live in different times. If half the people whinging here and now were transported back to 68 to 72 and LFC's total uncompetiveness like regular 5th place finishing, being knocked out of the FA Cup in the quarters by the then 3rd division reigning champs, they'd be on Shankly's back and Bill would firmly let them know who was boss.

 

Nice try with the last para though. Have to disappoint you (although no doubt you'll try and refute it). No cigar though. Tell me, are your a reception year school teacher par chance because your MO appears to be pitched with a knowledge of that particular grounding?

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Its ok referring to Shankly but we live in different times. If half the people whinging here and now were transported back to 68 to 72 and LFC's total uncompetiveness like regular 5th place finishing, being knocked out of the FA Cup in the quarters by the then 3rd division reigning champs, they'd be on Shankly's back and Bill would firmly let them know who was boss.

 

 

 

 

Bill got embarrassed plenty.  There were embarrassing domestic Cup exits.

 

Red Star and Ajax in Europe.

 

He made changes to fix things.  To the team, not the fans.

 

For the fans.

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Since were all being so literal, I think it's important to mention that regular match-goers don't pay the wages. That's down to Dunkin Donuts and Asian fans. Match-goers barely raise enough to pay the win bonus. So guys, stop moaning and do your bit, buy more Jester Hats!

Ha!

 

(Most of us do though. We've all got Sky/BT/both in some form as well as a season ticket).

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However, even that isn't really my point. My point is that it's crazy for him to be kicking off on the fans for finding it frustrating. Let's be clear: no-one's getting booed; no-one being ignored for applause or a cheer when they do something good; what's happening is that absolutely basic defensive errors keep costing us points and fans are frustrated by that. Klopp's job is not to tell us to shut up. It's literally his job to sort out the problem at the heart of our frustration.

 

Completely agree with this.

 

I can sort of see the argument that you might not be able to take that passion out of Klopp and expect him to still hit some of the same notes that make him a compelling manager in the same way that you could argue if you asked someone like Suarez to tone down their aggression you might not get the same player.

 

At the same time, though, we've been talking about the same issues for a long time now: weakness at the heart of defense, gaps between the midfield and the centre backs, a lack of resolve to see games out, continually conceding sloppy goals. It was very clear going into the transfer window that we needed to do something to address those areas, and if anything selling Lucas (who shouldn't have been our plan A in the first instance) without bringing in a replacement gave us less options there and made us weaker.

 

In that context, I really don't know what sort of a positive reaction Klopp would be hoping to elicit. It costs a small fortune to go to games these days. Expecting supporters to just shelve their frustrations at seeing the same failings over and over is not going to happen, and bollocking them for not doing so is just likely to make the goodwill factor dissipate more quickly.

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Just got an e-mail...

 

Dear Mr xxxxxxxx,

 

Customer Number: xxxxxxxxx

 

As part of the ongoing programme to enhance your matchday experience we want to measure fan satisfaction and create an experience that makes both the Club and our fans proud. Please take some time to give us feedback on your recent visit to Anfield to watch Liverpool play Burnley on September 16th 2017. The survey should take just 5-10 minutes to complete.

 

START SURVEY

We're listening to what you have to say - and we'll continue to make improvements where you tell us they are most needed - so please give us your feedback.

 

As a thank you for your time, you will be entered into a prize draw to win one of two sets of photos signed by Liverpool legends Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler.

 

Thank you for your support, and good luck in the draw!

 

 

 

 

Fucking hell do they know what they are letting themselves in for if they are sending these out to everyone!!

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I think it's crazy that people pay loads of money to go and sit in a stadium only to whine and moan and criticise and snipe and lose their shit at the first sign of a backwards pass.

 

If being a Liverpool fan has taught me anything it's that a group of people united behind one cause can be an incredibly powerful force. All Klopp wants is to tap into that, to give the team the conditions where they can flourish and play with confidence and freedom. Does anyone think the support at anfield is actually helping the team in most games?

 

At the same time, I am sick of paying a fortune to watch us draw with clearly far, far inferior teams because the manager has not addressed a fundamental flaw. It is starting to really, really get up my nose that he keeps fighting with the crowd. Concentrate on getting defenders to be able to do basics and not get in each others way.

 

I like the guy and wouldn't even contemplate replacing him for the next 4-5 years at least because we can do no better, but he is going to have to wind his neck in. The team need to play their part in helping the crowd as well as the other way round. This team is porous and riddled with moronic mistakes and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. If Klopp addressed that then he might find a more relaxed crowd. Until we stop throwing goals and points away, this will persist.

 

Your move, Jurgen.

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Since were all being so literal, I think it's important to  mention that regular match-goers don't pay the wages.  That's down to Dunkin Donuts and Asian fans.  Match-goers barely raise enough to pay the win bonus.  So guys, stop moaning and do your bit, buy more Jester Hats!

 

 

I'm sure that's right, but with empty stands the product all of a sudden becomes much less appealing.  I know, I've seen Dagenham and Redbridge.  And Manchester City.

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Just got an e-mail...

 

Dear Mr xxxxxxxx,

 

Customer Number: xxxxxxxxx

 

As part of the ongoing programme to enhance your matchday experience we want to measure fan satisfaction and create an experience that makes both the Club and our fans proud. Please take some time to give us feedback on your recent visit to Anfield to watch Liverpool play Burnley on September 16th 2017. The survey should take just 5-10 minutes to complete.

 

START SURVEY

We're listening to what you have to say - and we'll continue to make improvements where you tell us they are most needed - so please give us your feedback.

 

As a thank you for your time, you will be entered into a prize draw to win one of two sets of photos signed by Liverpool legends Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler.

 

Thank you for your support, and good luck in the draw!

 

 

 

 

Fucking hell do they know what they are letting themselves in for if they are sending these out to everyone!!

Tell them you'd like to see a team that can defend, as well as attack.
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