Liverpool FC striker Nathan Eccleston under investigation by club after claiming 9/11

[MLB]

9/11 was by its very nature a conspiracy. By terrorists. To attack America.

 

That it was allowed to happen is, on various levels, an issue open to scrutiny and analysis.

[JagSquared]

The thing about 9/11 is that for this to remotely plausible, thousand, literally thousands of people would have to be behind it. The army, bomb disposal, government officials fucking literally everyone, from all walks of life.

 

Now lets suppose that it was a conspiracy, why has not one person come out and explained the plan, came out to absolve themselves of guilt?

 

Thing is does it need thousands?

 

We are led to believe a man living in a cave and a few of his cronies came up with this then used a relatively small number of supporters who were trained to fly planes. That didnt take many did it?

 

So it is plausible a few knew of this. It really woundnt need thousands.

 

For the record I dont think there was a conspiracy by a governement. I actually do believe it was AL Qaeda behind it. Seeing as they subsequently admited to it.

[Red Phoenix]

I blame the fucking moonshine tootin' rednecks if anything bad happens. Leave our Nathan alone, he's a Red.

[Melchett]

It was two planes what done it.

 

Illuminate mongs.

[sir roger]

Will he be able to get Tom Hanks to come to a home game ?

[IronSpy]

This tweeting incident made me do a quick bit of googling to find out what this conspiracy consisted of. I wasn't previously familiar with this one, and I do enjoy a good chuckle. I stumbled across this page:

 

Illuminati Conspiracy Theories

 

This guy's logic will blow your mind. I have posted my personal favorite below.

 

New World uses Al-Qaeda

 

Al-Qaeda or “New World Order” controls most stories and videos online regarding the 9 11 Conspiracy

 

My name is Aaron Fleszar and I’d like to expose, with your help, the largest conspiracy in world history. Most people don’t believe in conspiracies or conspiracy theories, I know because I was one of them. The thing about a conspiracy is it cannot be proven, if it could, it wouldn’t be a conspiracy. I will try and make this as simple as possible so that you can follow my logic and likely reach the same conclusions.

 

What do we know about Osama Bin Laden that we haven’t been told by the media? We know that he is a spokesperson for Al-Qaeda. Once or twice a year, this guy appears in video, pointing his finger, from a tape that mysteriously arrives at the Al-Jazeera network. If Osama Bin Laden is only spokesperson, and not a mastermind, who makes up the organization behind him?

 

Even a president is only a spokesperson. A president surrounds himself with an administration that advises him. There is always a force behind a president with an agenda. Sometimes that agenda is known, sometimes it’s not.

 

Are we being mislead by Osama Bin Laden and the organization behind him? Could Osama be the spokesperson for a New World Order, the richest people in the world who would like to take over the government? Could Osama be a distraction, and a catalyst, for starting an endless war on terror, increasing defense department spending, lining the pockets of defense contractors, and driving up the price of oil?

 

Could the attacks on 9/11 be attacks against capitalism? Is Al-Qaeda or New World Order’s goal to destroy capitalism? Would destroying capitalism allow the richest people in the world a chance to implement socialism, get wealthier by collapsing the dollar, and allow them to institute a one world currency, only to enslave the rest of the world to their New World Order government?

 

Everyone knows that something happened on 9/11 that is being covered up, but what is it? Is it that planes didn’t collapse 2 buildings which fell with precision as if they were being brought down by a controlled demolition? Is it that no one ever talks about the third building which collapsed that never got hit by an airplane? Were the planes nothing more than misdirection, or an illusion, created by Al-Qaeda/New World Order, also known as “the Illuminati?”

 

Written across thousands of get rich quick scams online there is a code. Al-Qaeda or NWO appears to be using the internet to take over all ecommerce and media. Several people making up this code are look a likes for people associated with the current administration, in addition to media moguls, and CEO’s.

 

Several of the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists make up this code online. They are wanted for US embassy bombings in Kenya, Obama’s family’s birthplace, and Indonesia, a place where Obama spent many years as a child.

 

These are the aliases of Most Wanted Terrorists. Check out Google images;

Mark Joyner Simpleology-Seif Al Adel (Sarah Palin’s book Palinology)

John Ferrero-Ramadan Shallah

Yaro Starak-Umar Patek

Armand Morin-Noordin M Top (said to have been killed in Indonesia and now removed from the FBI’s most wanted list)

Michael Filsaime-Ali Sayyid Muhamed Mustafa al-Bakri (Die Hard 4 “Fire Sale” The cyber attack on our infrastructure)

Dr. Mani Sivasubramanian-Ammar Mansour Bouslim

Carl Galletti-Ahmed Garbaya, Samir Salwwan

Ted Ciuba-Abdul Rahman Yasin

 

What’s interesting about the Al-Qaeda organization is that they literally own the internet through search optimization and that this same group of marketing experts ran the last election on Youtube. Could the organization behind Osama Bin Laden be the New World Order Illuminati? Could the organization behind the election of Obama, be the same group? Could Osama be the look a like to represent Obama, and Biden, Bi(nla)den?

 

It’s not a conspiracy when it’s taking place right in front of you. There is just an overwhelming amount of misinformation to try and prevent you from connecting the dots. Keep in mind that the Illuminati, or New World Order, are masters of illusion.

 

It’s important for the future of America that you tell others immediately about this information. You can learn more by simply searching everything I put my name on. Email and text everyone you know. When enough people start demanding honest answers, we will finally learn the truth to what really happened on 9/11.

 

Thank you for reading this,

Aaron M Fleszar

[llego]

Could Osama be the look a like to represent Obama, and Biden, Bi(nla)den?

 

That is Code-like analysis right there.

 

Wait hold on.

 

Written across thousands of get rich quick scams online there is a code. Al-Qaeda or NWO appears to be using the internet to take over all ecommerce and media. Several people making up this code are look a likes for people associated with the current administration, in addition to media moguls, and CEO’s.

 

Character count for the following phrase:

 

with the current administration, in addition to media moguls, and CEO’s.

 

is 72.

 

My god.

[sr.red79]

Thing is does it need thousands?

 

We are led to believe a man living in a cave and a few of his cronies came up with this then used a relatively small number of supporters who were trained to fly planes. That didnt take many did it?

 

So it is plausible a few knew of this. It really woundnt need thousands.

 

For the record I dont think there was a conspiracy by a governement. I actually do believe it was AL Qaeda behind it. Seeing as they subsequently admited to it.

you know what though mate, governor thomas cain chairman of the 9/11 commision said he was set up to fail he said it was a white wash. he is defo not a crack pot.

[Squabblefest]

This just in from the official website..

 

"LFC.TV is pleased to announce that the replacement show for 'Steve Nicol's 100 Greatest Throw In's', on Thursday evenings 7-11pm will be, 'Nathan Investigates, (in text speak).'

 

Each week Nathan Ecclestone will explore contentious subjects in a way unseen since the tragic death of Bertrand Russell. Or Roger Cook. I forget which, anyway.

 

Following his exhaustive review of the available information on the 7/11 bombings, he turns his cognitive horsepower onto an equally thorny issue; Muslims.

 

We've arranged for him to interview Anjem Choudry, a leading Muslim cleric, via his Blackberry and we'll be showing Mr Choudry's reactions to Nathan's questions live in the studio as he tries to make sense of statements such as;

 

'Wot.? You fuckers kant eat bacon butties?? For real??!111!', and;

'Drew a cartoon of Muhammed. Wot you fink? BIG cock and balls on it is hilarious yeah!', and;

'Frazzles den? Wot 'bout packets of Frazzles. Dem not bacon innit?11!'

 

In the second show of the series he'll be communicating, via his mobile device, with an increasingly apoplectic fan of Doctor Who, as Nathan tries to unravel forty years worth of convoluted continuity with statements such as;

 

'Joe McGann!11!! Best Doctor EVA!!!!1!', and,

'Wot dem things can't even go upstairs? Dem fings RUBBISH innit? For REAL!'.

 

But to kick off the series we've got a two hour 'Scotland' special where Nathan is live in the studio with Kenny Dalglish and Sir Alex Ferguson and gets to ask the questions we've all wanted answering; face to face.

Questions such as;

 

"With so much in common and that. How come you two aren't, like, best bum-chums or summit?" and,

"Hahaha! Kilts is well gay innit?" and,

"Is 'tatties and neeps' scotlandish for 'deep fried heroin'?".

 

LFC.TV. Remember. It's not just recycled footage and John Bishop being almost funny.

There's this type of shit as well. "

[JohnnyH]

This tweeting incident made me do a quick bit of googling to find out what this conspiracy consisted of. I wasn't previously familiar with this one, and I do enjoy a good chuckle. I stumbled across this page:

 

Illuminati Conspiracy Theories

 

Thank you for reading this,

Aaron M Fleszar[/color]

 

That piece is hilariously daft.

 

So basically “if” Bin Laden is only a spokesman then that means that the people behind him are the new world order.

 

“Were the plains just an illusion created by the illuminate?” And that seems to be enough for it to become fact in this lads head

 

The whole thing is just full of ifs. How are people like this allowed internet access? They shouldn’t be allowed outside unsupervised.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

you know what though mate, governor thomas cain chairman of the 9/11 commision said he was set up to fail he said it was a white wash. he is defo not a crack pot.

Is correct the majority of the stuff the commission asked for,was not being given to them by the government,or it was being delayed in being given.

 

Would you not think with this being the greatest tragedy to happen in the States,that the money given to the commission would be the greatest amount a commission had ever been given.

 

The commission was given $ 15 million which may seem alot but when you compare that to the $30 million given to the commission investigating Monica Lewensky it puts it into perspective.

 

I am not saying it was the government that done 9/11 but without a doubt they sure as hell knew it was going to happen.

[Antynwa]

Thing is does it need thousands?

 

We are led to believe a man living in a cave and a few of his cronies came up with this then used a relatively small number of supporters who were trained to fly planes. That didnt take many did it?

 

So it is plausible a few knew of this. It really woundnt need thousands.

 

For the record I dont think there was a conspiracy by a governement. I actually do believe it was AL Qaeda behind it. Seeing as they subsequently admited to it.

 

They hijacked a bunch of planes, and flew them into buildings. That was the aim and they achieved it. It's plausible because it happened, there was negligence on all levels. But that was before we realized people where willing to fly jet liners into buildings.

 

If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed.

 

1. Explosives where planted in the WTC. There was no trace of explosives but anyway, lets just say that happened.

 

2. Why would they fly planes full of American people into the WTC? Why not just plant the explosives.

 

3. Peoples said it was by remote control, lets just say it was done by remote controls. Why are there a bunch of people at air traffic control talking to flight attendants and passengers making desperate phone calls?

 

I'm not going to address each individual point the theorists make because there will always be a 'Well we don't know that response'.

 

You say it only took a few people to crash some planes into buildings, yes it did. It would take considerably more man power to plant explosives into the WTC, shoot a cruise missile into the pentagon, turn the real WTC Flights to another air field and massacre them. You're talking about total commitment from all levels of society from thousands of people.

 

Why haven't they come out to absolve themselves of guilt? They can't all be monitored at the same time?

 

A bunch of pissed off so called Muslims hijacked a bunch of planes and flew them into buildings. Is it that hard to believe?

[Antynwa]

Is correct the majority of the stuff the commission asked for,was not being given to them by the government,or it was being delayed in being given.

 

Would you not think with this being the greatest tragedy to happen in the States,that the money given to the commission would be the greatest amount a commission had ever been given.

 

The commission was given $ 15 million which may seem alot but when you compare that to the $30 million given to the commission investigating Monica Lewensky it puts it into perspective.

 

I am not saying it was the government that done 9/11 but without a doubt they sure as hell knew it was going to happen.

 

How did they know it was going to happen, they may have had hints, I mean they may have been expecting some sort of attack.

 

But they didn't know it would be on September 11th and they didn't know it would be flight x,y,z and they didn't know they would fly them into fucking buildings.

 

This wasn't your run of the mill hostage 'lets blow up a building' this was people hijacking planes, and going ape shit.

[setreal]

Is correct the majority of the stuff the commission asked for,was not being given to them by the government,or it was being delayed in being given.

 

Would you not think with this being the greatest tragedy to happen in the States,that the money given to the commission would be the greatest amount a commission had ever been given.

 

The commission was given $ 15 million which may seem alot but when you compare that to the $30 million given to the commission investigating Monica Lewensky it puts it into perspective.

 

I am not saying it was the government that done 9/11 but without a doubt they sure as hell knew it was going to happen.

 

I think the treatment of the natives, the slavery or the Civil War might want to have a word about that.

 

 

To your point: isn't it natural that the government tries to hinder any investigation because they knew they fucked up their response to it big time?

[PestiRed]

Is correct the majority of the stuff the commission asked for,was not being given to them by the government,or it was being delayed in being given.

 

Would you not think with this being the greatest tragedy to happen in the States,that the money given to the commission would be the greatest amount a commission had ever been given.

 

The commission was given $ 15 million which may seem alot but when you compare that to the $30 million given to the commission investigating Monica Lewensky it puts it into perspective.

 

I am not saying it was the government that done 9/11 but without a doubt they sure as hell knew it was going to happen.

 

What the government didn't really want to admit to was that they should have known about it in advance but didn't. They set up a number of different security agencies & allowed politics to get in the way. These agencies competed for political power & budget & consequently did not share information or work together. As a result, all the information needed to foresee & stop 9/11 was there in fragments across departments but no one was able to see it all & put it together.

The govt was not behind the attack, nor did they knowingly allow it to happen. They just don't want the US public to realise quite how inept they are at their number one duty - protecting their own citizens. This is probably a good idea as after 9/11 they were trying to deal with fear & panic across the nation.

[silverlining]

This just in from the official website..

 

"LFC.TV is pleased to announce that the replacement show for 'Steve Nicol's 100 Greatest Throw In's', on Thursday evenings 7-11pm will be, 'Nathan Investigates, (in text speak).'

 

Each week Nathan Ecclestone will explore contentious subjects in a way unseen since the tragic death of Bertrand Russell. Or Roger Cook. I forget which, anyway.

 

Following his exhaustive review of the available information on the 7/11 bombings, he turns his cognitive horsepower onto an equally thorny issue; Muslims.

 

We've arranged for him to interview Anjem Choudry, a leading Muslim cleric, via his Blackberry and we'll be showing Mr Choudry's reactions to Nathan's questions live in the studio as he tries to make sense of statements such as;

 

'Wot.? You fuckers kant eat bacon butties?? For real??!111!', and;

'Drew a cartoon of Muhammed. Wot you fink? BIG cock and balls on it is hilarious yeah!', and;

'Frazzles den? Wot 'bout packets of Frazzles. Dem not bacon innit?11!'

 

In the second show of the series he'll be communicating, via his mobile device, with an increasingly apoplectic fan of Doctor Who, as Nathan tries to unravel forty years worth of convoluted continuity with statements such as;

 

'Joe McGann!11!! Best Doctor EVA!!!!1!', and,

'Wot dem things can't even go upstairs? Dem fings RUBBISH innit? For REAL!'.

 

But to kick off the series we've got a two hour 'Scotland' special where Nathan is live in the studio with Kenny Dalglish and Sir Alex Ferguson and gets to ask the questions we've all wanted answering; face to face.

Questions such as;

 

"With so much in common and that. How come you two aren't, like, best bum-chums or summit?" and,

"Hahaha! Kilts is well gay innit?" and,

"Is 'tatties and neeps' scotlandish for 'deep fried heroin'?".

 

LFC.TV. Remember. It's not just recycled footage and John Bishop being almost funny.

There's this type of shit as well. "

 

Hhahahahahaha

[Whelan]

How did they know it was going to happen, they may have had hints, I mean they may have been expecting some sort of attack.

 

But they didn't know it would be on September 11th and they didn't know it would be flight x,y,z and they didn't know they would fly them into fucking buildings.

 

This wasn't your run of the mill hostage 'lets blow up a building' this was people hijacking planes, and going ape shit.

 

I think that might be the point Ant, lots of people believe they should have known! He was their number one target since Nairobi, they should have had him under surveillance and they should have known far more than they did about how they operate but they knew the square root of fuck all.

 

That is what the worlds only Superpower doesn't want you to know, that it takes two planes being flown into an iconic building for an organisation to register on their radar.

 

Just as the Americans can't accept a bloke can walk up the stairs to an unused office and shoot the most powerful man in the world, without anyone saying 'Whose that in the window up there?'.

[Antynwa]

I think that might be the point Ant, lots of people believe they should have known! He was their number one target since Nairobi, they should have had him under surveillance and they should have known far more than they did about how they operate but they knew the square root of fuck all.

 

That is what the worlds only Superpower doesn't want you to know, that it takes two planes being flown into an iconic building for an organisation to register on their radar.

 

Just as the Americans can't accept a bloke can walk up the stairs to an unused office and shoot the most powerful man in the world, without anyone saying 'Whose that in the window up there?'.

 

Oh no doubt. You don't do what they did without their being some serious fundamental failures in National Security.

 

[YOUTUBE]7DI7u-TytRU[/YOUTUBE]

 

That's well worth a watch, Bill Clinton talks about what he did to get Bin Laden and the right wing kicking off because they thought he was doing too much.

 

Massive failings on the part of the USA Government. But we're comparing the security now to that before 9/11. Now you can't do anything, or take anything on a plane.

 

Before then, as many alluded to USA Airline security was rather lax.

[Whelan]

That is the 'conspiracy' I think, how little they knew and why the knew so little. Anyone who seriously thinks that 11/9 was a government conspiracy is a fucking idiot, they are not asking awkward questions, not demanding the truth, they are fucking idiots who need to feel special, need to be seen as someone, whether that brings praise or vitriol.

 

But saying that, it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone at LFC what Nathan believes in! From a personal point of view, I think his theories carry as much weight as the myth about the 'Son of God' being sent down to Earth to write a book.

[TheDrowningMan]

The government fucked up by failing to take seriously warnings which are now common knowledge. Other than that, all know what happened in Iraq, and that they probably covered for certain countries perceived as 'friendly', who they had no interest in investigating.

 

That's about as far as it goes. Actions afterwards were shameful, but the attack itself is pretty clear cut, and the deep conspiracy theories are a ludicrously misguided trope of the mentally infirm.

[Antynwa]

That is the 'conspiracy' I think, how little they knew and why the knew so little. Anyone who seriously thinks that 11/9 was a government conspiracy is a fucking idiot, they are not asking awkward questions, not demanding the truth, they are fucking idiots who need to feel special, need to be seen as someone, whether that brings praise or vitriol.

 

But saying that, it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone at LFC what Nathan believes in! From a personal point of view, I think his theories carry as much weight as the myth about the 'Son of God' being sent down to Earth to write a book.

 

Yeah. Nathan needs a slap though

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

What the government didn't really want to admit to was that they should have known about it in advance but didn't. They set up a number of different security agencies & allowed politics to get in the way. These agencies competed for political power & budget & consequently did not share information or work together. As a result, all the information needed to foresee & stop 9/11 was there in fragments across departments but no one was able to see it all & put it together.

The govt was not behind the attack, nor did they knowingly allow it to happen. They just don't want the US public to realise quite how inept they are at their number one duty - protecting their own citizens. This is probably a good idea as after 9/11 they were trying to deal with fear & panic across the nation.

Yes i agree over the sharing of information being a problem.The problem I have is how they came to the the fact Bin Laden was behind it when he wasnt.He was never right up to his death cited in any official document as the person behind 9/11,only by Bush and his aides.

 

John o Neill head of the FBI counter intelligence agency resigned over the way he was being stopped investigating into Al Quaida.

Even recently I seen somewere about how Bush stopped government agencies arresting members of Al Qaida in the build up to 9/11,and how some members who were involved are now considering suing the government over what happened.

 

 

 

I dont know if you know about the pipeline that America was trying to get laid through Afghanistan at that time,so heres abit on that.

 

Jun 5, 2002 | A 1998 memo written by al-Qaida military chief Mohammed Atef reveals that Osama bin Laden's group had detailed knowledge of negotiations that were taking place between Afghanistan's ruling Taliban and American government and business leaders over plans for a U.S. oil and gas pipeline across that Central Asian country.

The e-mail memo was found in 1998 on a computer seized by the FBI during its investigation into the 1998 African embassy bombings, which were sponsored by al-Qaida. Atef's memo was discovered by FBI counter-terrorism expert John O'Neill, who left the bureau in 2001, complaining that U.S. oil interests were hindering his investigation into al-Qaida. O'Neill, who became security chief at the World Trade Center, died in the Sept. 11 attack.

Atef's memo shines new light on what al-Qaida knew about U.S. efforts to normalize relations with the Taliban in exchange for the fundamentalist government's supporting the construction of an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan.

The Clinton and Bush administrations negotiated with the Taliban, both to get the repressive regime to widen its government as well as look favorably on U.S. companies' attempts to construct an oil pipeline. The Bush White House stepped up negotiations with the Taliban in 2001. When those talks stalled in July, a Bush administration representative threatened the Taliban with military reprisals if the government did not go along with American demands. The seven-page memo was signed "Abu Hafs," which is the military name of Atef, who was the military chief of al-Qaida and is believed to have been killed in November 2001 during U.S. operations in Afghanistan. It shows al-Qaida's keen interest in the U.S.-Taliban negotiations and raises new questions as to whether the U.S. military threat to the Taliban in July 2001 could have prompted al-Qaida's Sept. 11 attack.

Atef's memo is not about the pipeline alone, though it mentions the project several times. It is an analysis of the political situation facing the Taliban. It documents the movement's rise, its leadership, the geopolitical importance of Afghanistan, the Taliban's relationship with Pakistan, as well as the movement's relationship with the Arab mujahedin. The document's intended readership is unclear. But it reveals that the pipeline was seen as a strategic offering toward the West, in order to make the Taliban government acceptable to the United States and Pakistan, as well as to reduce military and investigative pressure on the country to rein in or even extradite bin Laden.

Atef explains that the United States wants "to take control of any region which has huge quantities of oil reserves," and "the American government is keen on laying the oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan." Atef concludes that al-Qaida's "duty toward the movement [Taliban] is to stand behind it, support it materially and morally, especially because its regional and international enemies are working night and day to put an end to it and make it fail."

It seems clear the military chief didn't expect the pipeline negotiations to bear fruit. Referring to Pakistanis as "nonbelievers," and noting that the pipeline "will be under American control ... and it also goes through the territories of Pakistan which are allied to America," Atef implies that the Taliban has no intention of ultimately cooperating with the project, but is trying to string along the Americans and Pakistanis to win some breathing room for its unpopular government.

 

 

Just 10 days after the Taliban seized power in Kabul, Zalmay Khalilzad, former National Security Council official and Unocal consultant who was appointed special envoy to Afghanistan by President George W. Bush at the end of 2001, argued in a Washington Post opinion article that the U.S. should try to work with the mullahs and form a broad-based government that included other factions. "The Taliban does not practice the anti-U.S. style of fundamentalism practiced by Iran -- it is closer to the Saudi model ..." Khalilzad contended, concluding that "we should use as a positive incentive the benefits that will accrue to Afghanistan from the construction of oil and gas pipelines across its territory ... These projects will only go forward if Afghanistan has a single authoritative government."

Soon after, the State Department spokesman Glyn Davies told the New York Times he had hope that "the new authorities in Kabul will move quickly to restore order and security and to form a representative interim government that can begin the process of reconciliation nationwide." Davies also said the United States "wanted to send diplomats to Afghanistan to meet with the Taliban and held out the possibility of re-establishing full diplomatic ties with the country," according to the Times.

In November 1997 Unocal invited a Taliban delegation to Texas and, in early December, the company opened a training center at the University of Nebraska, to instruct 137 Afghans in pipeline construction technology. The company also donated to the university's Center for Afghanistan Studies. Unocal CEO John Imle estimated that the company spent between $15 and $20 million on its Central Asia oil pipeline (CentGas) project -- on preliminary feasibility studies, humanitarian projects and other efforts to lobby the Taliban (Unocal equipped the regime with satellite phones, for instance.)

In February 1998, Unocal's vice president for international relations, John Maresca, told a House subcommittee hearing on U.S. interests in the Central Asian Republics that an oil pipeline "would benefit Afghanistan, which would receive revenues from transport tariffs, and would promote stability and encourage trade and economic development." Emphasizing that "the proposed Central Asia Oil Pipeline (CentGas) cannot begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan government is in place," he urged the administration and the Congress "to give strong support to the United Nations-led peace process in Afghanistan."

 

Until the 1998 al-Qaida embassy bombings, the Clinton administration's approach toward the Taliban was much the same as Unocal's: All parties agreed that the political stabilization of Afghanistan was crucial to the region, and was also a way to gain access to oil reserves of the Caspian Sea region. Though bin Laden had been in the country since 1996, the U.S. had not pressured the Taliban to hand him over.

The embassy bombings in August 1998 changed everything. The Clinton administration denounced the regime and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright turned up the heat on Taliban human rights abuses. The United Nations imposed sanctions, freezing Afghanistan's foreign assets and limiting its citizens' travel. The U.S. continued to talk to the Taliban, but the emphasis was on extraditing bin Laden in exchange for international recognition; the pipeline was off the table. Unocal, which had been close to finalizing its pipeline deal before the embassy bombings, cancelled it.

When George W. Bush took office in 2001, his administration made new overtures to the Taliban, and the pipeline deal gained renewed support, as an incentive to get the Taliban to make political concessions and form a broader government. U.S. representatives met with Afghanistan's former King Shah, to see if he might be included in a new government. And American companies began exploring the failed 1998 pipeline project. A report by an Afghan-born Enron manager in July 2001, for instance, illustrates that company's deep interest in some sort of pipeline deal. Enron had begun funding the same sorts of humanitarian projects as Unocal had three years earlier.

In March 2001, several Taliban officials, including Sayed Rahmattulah Hashimi, Mullah Omar's personal advisor, were invited to Washington by their U.S. lobbyist, Leila Helms, the niece of former CIA Director Richard Helms. The agenda included discussions of extraditing bin Laden as well as facilitating American companies' access to oil reserves in central Asia. The delegation met with representatives of the Directorate of Central Intelligence (DCI) and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research of the State Department.

 

 

 

That pipeline was given the go ahead on the 19/1/2011

 

 

It is intended that segments of the TAPI pipeline in Afghanistan are buried in order to make them less susceptible to terrorist attacks. Local communities will be given incentives to participate in this defense, and the central government has bruited the deployment of 7,000 soldiers (to be trained by NATO) to safeguard the route.

 

To say they had no idea about 9/11 was going t o happen and what America was up to building up to it may just be a coincidence.

 

Either way it was a blessing in disguise in the timing of it happening and what it enabled them to achieve dont you think?

[Duff Man]

No Administration in the world, particularly one header by George fucking Bush, could pull off something on the scale of 9/11 without it a. going spectacularly wrong, b. somebody blabbing or c. both. Nixon couldn't even pull off Watergate and it was just 5 guys doing a bit of B&E for fucks sake. If you believe any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories you're a gibbering idiot.

[PestiRed]

I would never disagree that some of America's actions since 9/11 have been opportunistic and grubby. I just don't believe they were part of any conspiracy to make or allow it to happen

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

No Administration in the world, particularly one header by George fucking Bush, could pull off something on the scale of 9/11 without it a. going spectacularly wrong, b. somebody blabbing or c. both. Nixon couldn't even pull off Watergate and it was just 5 guys doing a bit of B&E for fucks sake. If you believe any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories you're a gibbering idiot.

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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31

 

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.