Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

Interesting,

 

 

How can Starmer get away with mentioning Atlee, Bevan's cynicism towards Eastern Europe but whenever I've said similar on the EU thread ive been shot down? 

[Captain Turdseye]

16 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Was it "National Socialist", because then I think the party might have a reason to suspend her.

It’s called ‘Socialist Appeal Supporters’. 
 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/socialistappeal/?ref=share

 

I don’t know what’s inside but if you join make sure not to post. 

[Captain Turdseye]

27 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Any case of being suspended solely for posting to an event because it’s socialist is absolutely ridiculous. There is either more to it or there needs to be a serious investigation into it. I suspect the former but only because it’s such a crazy thing to believe. 

There really is no more to it than that. They sent her screenshots of the posts. She’ll be allowed back in, but they’re doing this to ‘lefties’ assuming, probably rightly, that some of them will fuck it off. 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It’s called ‘Socialist Appeal Supporters’. 
 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/socialistappeal/?ref=share

 

I don’t know what’s inside but if you join make sure not to post. 

 

Hasn't Socialist Appeal been proscribed for Labour members? I think it was one of the groups, along with Labour Against the Witchhunt and some others whose names escape me.

[Kepler-186]

 

[Strontium]

7 hours ago, Section_31 said:

It's really bizarre and shows Unite in a bad light IMO. The Labour party doesn't (nor should it) control Labour councils. They're there to serve their constituents regardless of their political hue.

 

As I say, I don't know the ins and outs, but some councils are good and some are shite, it depends on the individual leaders and other personalities involved rather than their politics for the most part.

 

Say a council cuts someone's pay or cuts jobs to balance the books after being bummed by austerity, then Unite threatens to pull the plug on funding/campaigning, Starmer gets on the blower and says to the council leader 'I don't care where you find the money, just find it'. Where does that end? How is that constitutional if the council has to use 

its council tax - the council tax of all the people living there, not just Labour/union members - to keep the council going?

 

Unite probably need to be a bit more careful with their money after spending £98m on that white elephant of a hotel. Not to mention the quarter of a mill on the leader/deputy leader campaigns of Long-Bailey and Burgon.

[Captain Turdseye]

Just now, Strontium said:

 

Hasn't Socialist Appeal been proscribed for Labour members? I think it was one of the groups, along with Labour Against the Witchhunt and some others whose names escape me.

I genuinely haven’t got a clue. It’s talking about Marxism and all that blah blah, but her only two posts were ages ago and as I said, they were linking to a Zoom event thing that had all the usual crew, Corbyn, Burgon, etc, speaking. 

 

Is that a banning offence? A quick search for her name would have showed she was a women’s officer, regional rep, etc. 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

I genuinely haven’t got a clue. It’s talking about Marxism and all that blah blah, but her only two posts were ages ago and as I said, they were linking to a Zoom event thing that had all the usual crew, Corbyn, Burgon, etc, speaking. 

 

Is that a banning offence? A quick search for her name would have showed she was a women’s officer, regional rep, etc. 

 

If she's sharing posts by Socialist Appeal, they've probably concluded that she's a member of Socialist Appeal, which is banned for Labour members. I don't know what you have to do to be considered a member of SA, but that'll definitely be why.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Yep. Socialist Appeal are one of the groups that were proscribed. And, the wonderful new Labour lot have been known to suspend people who have tenuous links to the proscribed groups (like sharing or liking social media posts etc) even if the activity took place before the groups were proscribed. Which is totally normal behaviour. Or something. 
 

#NotACull 
 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

If she's sharing posts by Socialist Appeal, they've probably concluded that she's a member of Socialist Appeal, which is banned for Labour members. I don't know what you have to do to be considered a member of SA, but that'll definitely be why.

No, mate. She shared a different link on their page twice, ages ago. I thought I’d been pretty clear. 

[Arniepie]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Interesting,

 

 

How can Starmer get away with mentioning Atlee, Bevan's cynicism towards Eastern Europe but whenever I've said similar on the EU thread ive been shot down? 

We are governed by the biggest shower of cunts the country has ever and he chooses to Lambast a group who protest against innocent people being wiped out by murderous regimes.

Truly inspirational 

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

We are governed by the biggest shower of cunts the country has ever and he chooses to Lambast a group who protest against innocent people being wiped out by murderous regimes.

Truly inspirational 

I take your point but hes on his way to Brussels to talk Nato and he has to look statesmanlike and strong when dealing with the Russian issue otherwise Labour can kiss the next election goodbye, Corbs reaction to Salisbury did real damage to Labour at the last election. As I say I understand where you're coming from though.

[sir roger]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

We are governed by the biggest shower of cunts the country has ever and he chooses to Lambast a group who protest against innocent people being wiped out by murderous regimes.

Truly inspirational 

Probably costing some of his mates on the Trilateral Commission money in arms sales. He is a fucking disgrace.

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I take your point but hes on his way to Brussels to talk Nato and he has to look statesmanlike and strong when dealing with the Russian issue otherwise Labour can kiss the next election goodbye, Corbs reaction to Salisbury did real damage to Labour at the last election. As I say I understand where you're coming from though.

Didnt stop the war coalition protest against the unjust war in Iraq and its devestating legacy?

Yet according to one of the replies underneath,I'm guessing a starmer fan,they are described as a 'far left 'organisation. 

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

We are governed by the biggest shower of cunts the country has ever and he chooses to Lambast a group who protest against innocent people being wiped out by murderous regimes.

Truly inspirational 

 

I think the point is that they don't protest against murderous regimes. They protest against Western foreign policy, while ignoring or even supporting murderous regimes like Russia.

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

I think the point is that they don't protest against murderous regimes. They protest against Western foreign policy, while ignoring or even supporting murderous regimes like Russia.

They openly declare their support for Putin?

[Strontium]

9 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

They openly declare their support for Putin?

 

Many times.

 

One example, from the time when Russia invaded and outright annexed part of Ukraine:

 

In game of Great Power politics, if we have to pick a side over Crimea, let it be Russia | Stop the War (stopwar.org.uk)

[Numero Veinticinco]

33 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Probably costing some of his mates on the Trilateral Commission money in arms sales. He is a fucking disgrace.

'Probably' yeah. Lock him up. Better yet, hang him. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

54 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

We are governed by the biggest shower of cunts the country has ever and he chooses to Lambast a group who protest against innocent people being wiped out by murderous regimes.

Truly inspirational 

So not only does he protect peados, he also supports murderous regimes? This guy sounds like a fucking total horror show. 

 

In other news, his article on NATO was actually quite good. I especially thought 'The kneejerk reflex, “Britain, Canada, the United States, France – wrong; their enemies – right”, is unthinking conservatism at its worst' was particularly powerful.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

36 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Many times.

 

One example, from the time when Russia invaded and outright annexed part of Ukraine:

 

In game of Great Power politics, if we have to pick a side over Crimea, let it be Russia | Stop the War (stopwar.org.uk)

Funny thing is, people seem to be reacting as if this is the first time somebody has criticised Stop the War coalition. Back when they were telling people to 'oppose the West', groups of left wing activists were saying the same shit Starmer was saying. To see it played out as some anti-left, anti-Labour stance shows that those doing the mud slinging - calling him a disgrace - either haven't read his article or don't know that STW has previously been under heavy criticism from the left. 

 

What a time to be alive. Soulless, but alive. 

[Arniepie]

20 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

So not only does he protect peados, he also supports murderous regimes? This guy sounds like a fucking total horror show. 

 

In other news, his article on NATO was actually quite good. I especially thought 'The kneejerk reflex, “Britain, Canada, the United States, France – wrong; their enemies – right”, is unthinking conservatism at its worst' was particularly powerful.

Please point out where I said he supports nonces and murderous regimes

Cheers.

[Arniepie]

44 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Many times.

 

One example, from the time when Russia invaded and outright annexed part of Ukraine:

 

In game of Great Power politics, if we have to pick a side over Crimea, let it be Russia | Stop the War (stopwar.org.uk)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that article based on a poll carried out in Crimea?

[Jairzinho]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that article based on a poll carried out in Crimea?

It was largely boycotted by Ukrainians though.

 

I'd imagine the answer is somewhere between Stop the War and Stront's opinions.

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Please point out where I said he supports nonces and murderous regimes

Cheers.

If I'd said that you had said these things, I'd definitely do that. As I didn't, I won't. I referred to the peado thing because of the Saville comment, I referred to what you said about him hitting out at those criticising murderous regimes in the same way. I did so in a flippant way because, as was explained to you above, he wasn't lambasting them for criticising murderous regimes (I mean, why would he unless he is in favour of murderous regimes?), but because they don't always do that. As I mentioned above, it's not just him who has hit out at their double standard on this, from Peter Tatchell to leaders inside Momentum. Any good left winger would point these out, in my view. When they used to carry articles calling for an attack on Israel in the pursuit of peace in the middle east, you really have to wonder if it's stopping wars they want or a political tool. 

 

EDIT: I did a quick search for the article that I had in mind. 

Quote

 

Left-wing activists slam Stop the War for refusing to protest against Russia

 

Mark Boothroyd, a Labour party activist and founding member of Syria Solidarity UK, said that the STWc position on Russia was "completely unprincipled".

"It's a betrayal of the principle they were founded upon, to oppose war, occupation, oppression - Syrians and solidarity activists have been calling on them for years to condemn these things," he told Middle East Eye. "This refusal is a bit shocking, because normally they would try and say 'yeah, we condemn it but we're not going to do any action', but to refuse to even demonstrate really shows which side they're on in this."

Boothroyd dismissed the oft-repeated argument by coalition that they only targeted their own government's actions as that was where they could apply leverage.

"Yes I think we should oppose Britain when it's doing things which are not good for the civilians of Syria, and its support for Israel and its backing of Saudi Arabia in its attack on Yemen, but we can also protest other countries when they're carrying out other barbarisms. It's just political consistency and speaking to principle."

Current leader of the opposition Labour party Jeremy Corbyn was a former president of the STWc and spoke at their conference on Saturday. His stance on Syria has been criticised by some of his own supporters, who argue he has been unwilling to sufficiently criticise the Assad government or condemn Russian bombing.

On Monday, a petition was launched by left-wing activists and Labour party members calling for a change in Corbyn's position on Syria, warning that "failure to act on this issue now threatens to undermine practically and politically much of the work done over many years by the anti-war movement."

Peter Hill, a member of the pro-Corbyn pressure group Momentum and signatory to the petition, told MEE that he believed that there should be active campaigning against Russia's actions in Syria.

"As the open letter to Jeremy Corbyn stated, I think that anti-war activists and socialists should condemn the actions of all states which commit acts of aggression and war crimes, not only those of Western powers or states aligned with the West," he said. "I too am sceptical about the motives and interests of Western powers involved in Syria, but I do not see this as a good reason to hedge about condemning Russia and the Assad regime, as the Stop the War Coalition have done.

"Protests at the Russian embassy are an entirely appropriate response to the atrocities committed by Russia in Syria."