Rise of the far right in Europe.

[SasaS]

The far right groups have been making noise but just as many anti far right groups have been louder. The UK press and media have sensationalised it more than the Germans, picking what they want to use to paint a different picture, it takes the heat off the shit what goes on in the UK. I'm not saying these incidents have caused unrest but apart from Cologne (which the UK media have jumped on due to the police there fucking up) things are pretty much under control.

 

Here in Bielefeld where I live there was also a bit of bother as in Cologne on New Years Eve, but the Police sorted it out quickly. Last weekend far right groups congregated at the Bahnhof Viertel where this trouble had happened and caused more damage as they used their protest to use violence. This is also not main news where I got this info, my mate is an ex Criminal Police Officer (Kripo), his brother and my daughters boyfriends father are still serving with Kripo and say they are not surprised with the media running anti refugee stories. They themselves attend attacks on refugee camps/people on a daily basis, always late at night under the cover of darkness etc. I'm sure the BBC/ITV etc have deliberately ignored these facts as they cover the bits the UK Government want them to so as to back up their anti refugee stance. 

 

Things might come to a head as the far right use incidents to fuel fire etc, but as it stands at the moment there is no massive threat and the Police/Local council etc have things very much under control. 

 

Looking at Der Spiegel you'd think this was seen a very big deal in Germany too.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-trigger-raw-debate-on-immigration-in-germany-a-1071175.html

 

Pretty decent and informative article BTW.

 

[Sugar Ape]

The Eastern European states are rallying against Germany as well, Poland especially who seem to have gone ultra right wing.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/polish-press-nazi-imagery-war-of-words-eu-angela-merkel?CMP=twt_gu

 

Polish press invokes Nazi imagery as war of words with EU heats up

 

A popular Polish weekly news magazine has depicted EU leaders including Angela Merkel wearing Nazi uniforms

 

Relations between Brussels and Poland’s hardline Eurosceptic government have deteriorated further after a Polish magazine published a cover portraying five leading EU politicians – including the German chancellor, Angela Merkel – in Nazi uniforms beneath the headline These people want to control Poland again.

 

The photoshopped image on the front of popular weekly Wprost showed Merkel, the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, European parliament president Martin Schulz, EU commissioner Günther Oettinger, and Guy Verhofstadt, the former Belgian prime minister, leaning over a map, echoing wartime photographs of Adolf Hitler and his generals.

 

In a post on his Facebook page, Verhofstadt, who heads the liberal Alde group in the European parliament, described the image as “outrageous”, adding that the EU was a “community of values” and that it was “the duty of all of us – commissioners, chancellors or not, to raise our voice when a government is endangering these principles and attacking democratic institutions”

 

 

Schulz and Oettinger, both German, have been sharply critical of the conservative, staunchly Catholic Law and Justice (PiS) party, which swept to power in October and has since sought to strengthen government control over the constitutional court, civil service and Polish public radio and television.

 

The commission has already written to the Polish government asking how its new media law will work with EU rules on media freedom. Schulz described the government’s actions as a “dangerous Putinisation of European politics”, while Oettinger suggested Poland should be put under rule of law supervision, legislation designed to deal with “systemic threats” to EU values.

 

Responding to the criticism, Poland’s government summoned Germany’s ambassador for talks and warned Brussels not to interfere in its affairs on the basis of “biased and politically engaged” reports.

 

The defence minister Antoni Macierewicz went further, saying Poland would not be lectured by Germany “on democracy and freedom”, while his colleague, justice minister Zbigniew Ziobro, wrote an open letter to Oettinger alluding to the Nazi occupation of Poland.

 

“Such words, said by a German politician, cause the worst of connotations among Poles,” Ziobro wrote. “Also in me. I’m a grandson of a Polish officer, who during World War II fought in the underground National Army with ‘German supervision’.”

[Sugar Ape]

Looking at Der Spiegel you'd think this was seen a very big deal in Germany too.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-trigger-raw-debate-on-immigration-in-germany-a-1071175.html

 

Pretty decent and informative article BTW.

Isn't one of the complaints that the German press have purposefully not made as big a deal of it as they should have?

[cloggypop]

Geert Wilders was politician of the year for the third time over here recently.

 

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/12/pvv-leader-geert-wilders-is-voted-politician-of-the-year/

[Section_31]

Geert Wilders was politician of the year for the third time over here recently.

 

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/12/pvv-leader-geert-wilders-is-voted-politician-of-the-year/

 

Love that name, reminds me of the shits. 

[SasaS]

Isn't one of the complaints that the German press have purposefully not made as big a deal of it as they should have?

 

I guess so. It would appear it backfired, as it fit nicely into (this time) anti-immigrant narrative of elites controlling the media and lying to people, as the article mentions.

 

I think what happened in Cologne was absolutely fascinating, commentators such as Slavoj Žižek must have creamed their pants, as it had virtually everything, every fantasy laid bare, on all sides. 

[Section_31]

I guess so. It would appear it backfired, as it fit nicely into (this time) anti-immigrant narrative of elites controlling the media and lying to people, as the article mentions.

 

I think what happened in Cologne was absolutely fascinating, commentators such as Slavoj Žižek must have creamed their pants, as it had virtually everything, every fantasy laid bare, on all sides. 

 

Just needed some Benny Hill music really. 

[RedinSweden]

Sweden is becoming uncomfortably right wing. They have always had latent racism but it has been dormant, but the rise of Sverigedemokraterna, the far right party formed from the nazi party is troubling.

[Mook]

The voting cards in Sweden must be about a fucking meter long.

[cloggypop]

Love that name, reminds me of the shits.

He's into Donald Duck and milfy porn stars.

 

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/01/83185-2/

[Sugar Ape]

More and more countries in Europe are going to increasingly go that way it seems. You can't dump hundreds of thousands, soon to be millions, of young men from a war zone with an alien culture into countries across Europe without there being a mass of resentment building.

 

They get put into the poorest communities as well causing further strain on amenities as they are never funded properly with an increase in healthcare and school places etc...

 

When are the next elections in Germany? I think Merkel is done for personally.

[Section_31]

One of the issues with all this is it's very, very difficult to find information on any aspect of it that's unbiassed one way or the other. For instance, I've heard a few times that Stockholm has become some kind of 'rape capital' of Europe, but when you look to see if this is true, most of the sites reporting it are right wing. 

[Hades]

Capitalism has killed more humans, and in far more cruel and barbaric ways, than communism ever could have.

[Jairzinho]

When are the next elections in Germany? I think Merkel is done for personally.

 

Sep 2017.

 

Her centre right party, CDU, are comfortably ahead in the polls. Their second placed party in the polls, SDP, seems to be a mixture of Lib Dem types and Blairites. What seems to help Merkel is the nothingness of the SDP, and the rejection of the two main parties being split in four - A UKIP type, a Green type, and a Socialist type, all polling at about 10%, and a Libertarian sort of party polling at around 5%.

[Sugar Ape]

Sep 2017.

 

Her centre right party, CDU, are comfortably ahead in the polls. Their second placed party in the polls, SDP, seems to be a mixture of Lib Dem types and Blairites. What seems to help Merkel is the nothingness of the SDP, and the rejection of the two main parties being split in four - A UKIP type, a Green type, and a Socialist type, all polling at about 10%, and a Libertarian sort of party polling at around 5%.

She seems to be facing a lot of criticism from her own party. A coup could be on the cards, maybe? I'm sure the ratings will plummet if this keeps up.

 

Just reading this article then and it said the amount of refugees could reach 1.5mil which is the size of Munich and if granted asylum they would be entitled to bring their family over. That is not sustainable if the rest of Europe are refusing to take any of them. I can't see any way this is going to end well.

 

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21672296-after-historic-embrace-refugees-german-public-opinion-turning-merkel-her-limit

[xerxes]

Agree with most of that. 

 

The issue with immigration is that it's skewed mainly towards young men. It's a survival of the fittest situation, the strongest and youngest will reach the west while the rest stay behind. Once those young men are there they're going to stick together, which in turn creates social tension. 

 

The fact we can't have discussions about any form of immigration, asylum etc is part of the problem - stifling debate is leading to frustrated on the fringes instead.

 

The ruling elite of Europe don't care about the fallout from immigration, neither do the top brass of Labour or even the Tories - I firmly believe Cameron et al doens't give two turds about immigration, he's just playing to his home team now that he's been outmaneuvered by UKIP on his right flank. 

 

Parachuting thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of foreigners onto any population is going to cause strife, that's just a basic reality of human nature, it would be the same if you took loads of people from Birmingham and Newcastle and dropped them en mass in Manchester, it's not a racial thing - it's a human thing.

Good points, well made.

 

Few politicians are being honest about the refugee crisis.

 

From the West’s point of view an influx of young, able, men may help their economies. However it cripples the capacity of the home country’s to get back on their feet by robbing them of their talent.

 

In Syria, Iraq and Libya there is intentional ethnic, religious, tribal and political cleansing going on – by making flight easier, we are just helping the bad guys and cementing their position for a generation to come.

 

In Syria some villages are now 80% female so many men have fled or been killed resulting in people traffickers moving in (and presumably an increase in girl on girl action).

 

I can understand people fleeing war zones, and am sympathetic to their flight. I am less sympathetic to those who travel through several countries to choose to illegally immigrate to a country of their choice, while others wait patiently, and legally, in refugee camps.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Looking at Der Spiegel you'd think this was seen a very big deal in Germany too.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-trigger-raw-debate-on-immigration-in-germany-a-1071175.html

 

Pretty decent and informative article BTW.

 

 

Isn't one of the complaints that the German press have purposefully not made as big a deal of it as they should have?

 

To be fair my initial point was saying the UK, and no doubt lots of other countries are making a bigger deal of it than Germany, after all, bad news from abroad is far better than bad news from your own country. 

 

Obviously it is being reported here in Germany as it is where the incidents happened, some parts of the media are going more in-depth as it suits their political stance and agendas. "Der Spiegel" is a leiberal reporting magazine which slightly leans to the left,  I don't always agree with the way they over report on certain topics as certain right wing media outlets do, a lot of the reporting is lazy journalism on both sides and just politically motivated to gain points and more support.  

 

I can't speak for Cologne but in Bielefeld the majority of those present at the incidents were not war weary refugees from Syria, they were economic refugees from Albania! We already had a high number of Albanians here but now we have more, the sneaky bastards threw their passports away and latched onto the Syrians so as to get into Germany. It was a major fuck up from Merkel and her Government to let all the refugees in who didn't have a passport. They will be eventually deported though as they can't possibly pass the checks being done thereafter to complete their refugee status etc. The door has been bolted after the proverbial Horse escaped though, everyone being allowed in from now on has to have identity paperwork and if they haven't they will be separated from other refugees and not allowed to leave secure areas until checks are completed. Any refugee from any country caught breaking the law will be deported immediately. 

[PestiRed]

Keep an eye on the Balkans. If you're worried about an European war, it's always the Balkans

[Anubis]

In Syria some villages are now 80% female so many men have fled or been killed resulting in people traffickers moving in (and presumably an increase in girl on girl action).

 

Do you have a list of these villages. Purely for research purposes, you understand.

[Section_31]

Do you have a list of these villages. Purely for research purposes, you understand.

Exactly what I thought. I'll go over there dressed as Richard the lioncock

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I used to work with a Syrian lass, horny as fuck but a right miserable cow who sucked a shit load of cock (not mine) in an attempt to get a Supervisor's job, I can only imagine how miserable and spiteful she is now as they sacked her. 

[s(k)aturation]

Capitalism has killed more humans, and in far more cruel and barbaric ways, than communism ever could have.

 

Indeed.

Any genocidal good guy system that can number Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot among its ranks has indeed much to be proud of over capitalist swine.

[s(k)aturation]

Keep an eye on the Balkans. If you're worried about an European war, it's always the Balkans

 

Yep, Pesti.

The stupid, lame arse unhappy-unless-their-orded-over Croats are doing their level best to sprinkle Serbs back into government in Croatia.

Powder keg being nicely packed.

Some right fuckwits in my paternal part of the world alas.

[Funkasy]

Do you have a list of these villages. Purely for research purposes, you understand.

The girls must be happier then ever now that their cousins and brothers have left the country. 

[SasaS]

Yep, Pesti.

The stupid, lame arse unhappy-unless-their-orded-over Croats are doing their level best to sprinkle Serbs back into government in Croatia.

Powder keg being nicely packed.

Some right fuckwits in my paternal part of the world alas.

 

Eh?