Rise of the far right in Europe.

[Sugar Ape]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/denmark-to-force-refugees-to-give-up-valuables-under-proposed-asylum-law?CMP=twt_gu

 

Denmark to force refugees to give up valuables under proposed asylum law

 

UN warns bill requiring refugees to pay for accommodation while applying for asylum will fuel fear and xenophobia

 

Denmark will force refugees to hand over their valuables in order to pay for their accommodation while applying for asylum, in a move the UN has warned may fuel fear and xenophobia.

 

The Danish government has secured a parliamentary majority in favour of legislation that will severely curb the rights of refugees, and is expected to pass the legislation in parliament on Wednesday.

 

The bill states that asylum seekers who arrive with more than 10,000 kronas in cash “will have to [use] the surplus above 10,000 kronas to pay for their stay”, Danish government spokesman Marcus Knuth told the Guardian.

 

After criticism of an earlier draft of the law, refugees will no longer have to give up items of sentimental value, such as wedding rings or items deemed as essential, such as watches. Gold bullion could still be seized, but Knuth said in the case of any dispute of sentimental value the asylum seeker would have the final say.

 

Responding to comparisons between the new law and treatment of Jews during the Holocaust, Knuth said the claim was “ludicrous” because similar laws apply to Danish citizens on welfare benefits. “We’re simply applying the same rules we apply to Danish citizens who wish to take money from the Danish government,” he said.

 

The move is the latest attempt by Denmark’s centre-right government to roll back its obligations to refugees. Last month, Danish prime minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen called for an end to the UN 1951 refugee convention, a landmark law that was created in the aftermath of the Holocaust – a suggestion the UN said would “renounce millennia” of human progress.

 

Local refugee advocates also warn that there are even worse aspects to the new law than the articles concerning refugees’ belongings. If passed on Wednesday, the law will prevent most Syrian refugees from being granted more than one year’s sanctuary, unless they can prove that they are individually under threat in Syria. Parents who arrive without their children will have to wait at least three years before they can apply to be reunited with their family, a clause campaigners have described as particularly cruel.

 

Michala Clante Bendixen, chair of Refugees Welcome in Denmark, said: “It means that most of these families will be separated for up to five years. First they’ll have to wait for the asylum application to go through, then there will be 3 years of waiting, then they’ll have to apply for reunification. Separating families for five years is completely crazy.”

 

While Denmark only accepted about 20,000 asylum seekers in 2015 – just 2% of the total to arrive in Europe last year – its government is keen to deter more from coming, Bendixen said. “They have two goals – one is to scare people away, and the other is to make life as hard as possible for those who are already here; to make them leave.”

 

Denmark also recently introduced more stringent border controls, forcing more potential asylum seekers back to Germany, which has welcomed about 1.1 million last year. Germany has also begun to turn back more migrants from its own southern borders, with deportees to Austria rising to 200 a day in January, up from 60 in December, the Austrian government said this week.

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I used to work with a Syrian lass, horny as fuck but a right miserable cow who sucked a shit load of cock (not mine) in an attempt to get a Supervisor's job, I can only imagine how miserable and spiteful she is now as they sacked her.

I bet she's all over the place

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I bet she's all over the place

 

Not spoke to anyone from my ex works place for ages, but the last time I looked on FB (which was quite some time ago) she was whoring it in Turkey with some little Blond German minx she knocked around with. 

[Jairzinho]

“We’re simply applying the same rules we apply to Danish citizens who wish to take money from the Danish government,” he said.

 

 

Is the money coming directly from MPs?

[RedinSweden]

One of the issues with all this is it's very, very difficult to find information on any aspect of it that's unbiassed one way or the other. For instance, I've heard a few times that Stockholm has become some kind of 'rape capital' of Europe, but when you look to see if this is true, most of the sites reporting it are right wing. 

 

That is nonsense. The most trouble we have had regarding refugees is from the right wingers burning the shelters down and us having to foot the bill for new ones, the dicks.

[SasaS]

One of the issues with all this is it's very, very difficult to find information on any aspect of it that's unbiassed one way or the other. For instance, I've heard a few times that Stockholm has become some kind of 'rape capital' of Europe, but when you look to see if this is true, most of the sites reporting it are right wing. 

 

The mistake of letting that man Assange in.

[s(k)aturation]

Eh?

 

Sorry, there was a typo in my post that meant to say "lorded-over" rather than "orded-over".

Otherwise it's self-explanatory.

Croats are reverting to type in reinstating their master-servant relationship with Serbs, as we speak.

Croats are voting Serbs back into the Croatian Parliament.  It will lead to trouble.

I am of Croatian descent on my father's side.

The Croats... like the Irish in relation to England... have been variously trampled on, often self-inflicted through their inferiority complex, by Serbs, Austrians and Hungarians over the last 1000 years.

Does that make my opinion any clearer?

[s(k)aturation]

The mistake of letting that man Assange in.

 

So it's all down to one internet geek, is it?

[SasaS]

Sorry, there was a typo in my post that meant to say "lorded-over" rather than "orded-over".

Otherwise it's self-explanatory.

Croats are reverting to type in reinstating their master-servant relationship with Serbs, as we speak.

Croats are voting Serbs back into to their Parliament.  It will lead to trouble.

I am of Croatian descent on my father's side.

The Croats, like the Irish in relation to England, have been variously trampled on, often self-inflicted through their inferiority complex, by Serbs, Austrians and Hungarians over the last 1000 years.

Does that make my opinion any clearer?

 

Is there like a 30 year delay for news from the old country in Australia? What Serbs? Right-wing nationalist party is taking over from the center left government, in coalition with a slightly right-of-center alliance of independents.

[s(k)aturation]

Is there like a 30 year delay for news from the old country in Australia? What Serbs? Right-wing nationalist party is taking over from the center left government, in coalition with a slightly right-of-center alliance of independents.

 

Well mate, you're the one still going on about the Red Army winning WW2.

That was, what, 70 years ago?

Big news that.

You're obviously intelligent, but I find you a little obtuse.

Apologies if I've misjudged you there.

I am going on reports I get first hand from the 145 or so relatives I have that live in the Osijek area and have done since 1941, going through that war and the one in the 90s.

I was also being self-deprecating about my relatives and descendants, not Bolshevik.

The titular way politicians describe themselves, like Stalin being a caring, sharing socialist, are fucking rubbish and the world should know that by now.

Not interested in your provocations either, thanks.

[SasaS]

Well mate, you're the one still going on about the Red Army winning WW2.

That was, what, 70 years ago?

Big news that.

You're obviously intelligent, but I find you a little obtuse.

Apologies if I've misjudged you there.

I am going on reports I get first hand from the 145 or so relatives I have that live in the Osijek area and have done since 1941, going through that war and the one in the 90s.

I was also being self-deprecating about my relatives and descendants, not Bolshevik.

The titular way politicians describe themselves, like Stalin being a caring, sharing socialist, are fucking rubbish and the world should know that by now.

Not interested in your provocations either, thanks.

 

Provocations? Mate, I was simply putting the record straight. I have no way of knowing what your relatives may have been telling you, it certainly does not apply to central government.

They may be alluding to the fact that the Serbs have had increased representation in their area on the local level in the last 15 or so years, but this is surely a good thing for peace, stability and human rights in general. Increased as in some, after there was none.   

[s(k)aturation]

Provocations? Mate, I was simply putting the record straight. I have no way of knowing what your relatives may have been telling you, it certainly does not apply to central government.

They may be alluding to the fact that the Serbs have had increased representation in their area on the local level in the last 15 or so years, but this is surely a good thing for peace, stability and human rights in general. Increased as in some, after there was none.   

 

Mate, the Serbs have had "increased" representation, as a large minority, in the Croatian area for 1000 years.  It hasn't been benign or representative or peaceful or humane or stable.  It has been elitist and jealous and repressive, and the Croats' stupid gullibility and subservience has played right into the Serbs' hands... culminating in Tito, a Croat and Communist cunt, siding with Serb interests because he knew what side his bread would be buttered on.

I'm not saying the Serbs are wrong, I'm just saying that the Croats stupidly thinking that Serb representation is somehow going to achieve a different result from the one that has been going on for 1000 years... and that is fear, loathing and bloodshed... is the classic do-the-same-thing-and-expect-a-different-result insanity. It is not a "good thing", never has been, tragically.

My Dad's people are idiots.  He admits it himself.  As do many others of them.

You are not putting any record straight.  I am not necessarily talking about central government, I am talking about everyday, rank and file reality.  The record has been the same for 1000 years.  It's patently as straight as a die.

No offence, SasaS.

[Sugar Ape]

That is nonsense. The most trouble we have had regarding refugees is from the right wingers burning the shelters down and us having to foot the bill for new ones, the dicks.

Obviously not solely blaming refugees but the Guardian linked to the Swedish national council for crime prevention which shows:

 

About 20,300 sexual offences were reported in 2014, which represents an increase of 15 percent since 2013. There was an 11 percent increase in the number of reported rape offences, with 6,700 reported rapes being registered in 2014. The number of reported crimes of sexual coercion, exploitation, abuse etc. increased by 20 percent by comparison with the figure for 2013 to approximately 1,520 cases.

 

http://bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/crime-statistics/reported-offences.html#

 

Reading reports today of the police covering up allegations of assault by refugees over there, seems to be playing into the hands of the right wing politicians.

[s(k)aturation]

If a societal observation or measure taken happens to be the correct one... your know, does the right thing by most people... does it carry more weight if it was initiated by the "right wing" or the "left wing"?

[SasaS]

Mate, the Serbs have had "increased" representation, as a large minority, in the Croatian area for a 1000 years.  It hasn't been benign or representative or peaceful or humane or stable, it has been elitist and jealous and repressing, and the Croats' stupid gullibility and subservience has played right into their hands... culminating in Tito, a Croat and Communist cunt, siding with Serb interests because he knew what side his bread would be buttered on.

I'm not saying the Serbs are wrong, I'm just saying that the Croats stupidly thinking that Serb representation is somehow going to achieve a different result from the one that has been going on for 1000 years... and that is fear, loathing and bloodshed... is the classic do-the-same-thing-and-expect-a-different-result insanity. It is not a "good thing", never has been, tragically.

My Dad's people are idiots.  He admits it himself.  As do many others of them.

You are not putting any record straight.  I am not necessarily talking about central government, I am talking about everyday, rank and file reality.  The record has been the same for 1000 years.  It's patently as straight as a die.

No offence, SasaS.

 

None taken.  However, I don’t think there is much point in discussing this further with you as I wouldn’t know where to begin.

 

Let me just say there is zero chance of Serbs lording over Croats on any level in Croatia in the next 100 or so years, except maybe when it comes to barbecue, as they know their meat.

 

This is mainly the far right’s narrative (scaremongering about the danger of “lording over”, not the barbecues), so let’s leave it to them.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

People that are right wing tend to be better at barbecues, in my experience.

[SasaS]

It's a macho thing, I guess.

[xerxes]

Do you have a list of these villages. Purely for research purposes, you understand.

When offered head in Syria- proceed with caution...

[Section_31]

People that are right wing tend to be better at barbecues, in my experience.

[VladimirIlyich]

If a societal observation or measure taken happens to be the correct one... your know, does the right thing by most people... does it carry more weight if it was initiated by the "right wing" or the "left wing"?

All I can say is that 'right wing' generally applies to very rich and powerful people wanting things to stay as they are as it benefits them greatly. The left wing is usually applied to people who want to change that,although describing the Soviets as 'left wing' when they fit the right wing description has always seemed strange to me.

[s(k)aturation]

None taken.  However, I don’t think there is much point in discussing this further with you as I wouldn’t know where to begin.

 

Let me just say there is zero chance of Serbs lording over Croats on any level in Croatia in the next 100 or so years, except maybe when it comes to barbecue, as they know their meat.

 

This is mainly the far right’s narrative (scaremongering about the danger of “lording over”, not the barbecues), so let’s leave it to them.

 

 

 

There is the right, the left.  And reality.

You can call it mainly the far right.  At some point, reality can be referenced.

You talk about the future, the next 100 years - things that haven't yet happened - with certainty.

I am referencing things that have already happened.

There is a perspective on them, perhaps, yes.

You are calling the perspective I am referencing "right".  That's fine.

I am calling your certainty about the future, the context of your responses to my posts here, and my experience of reading other posts of yours on historical European topics, "left" perhaps.

That doesn't make either of us right, of course.

And yes, there is no point discussing it further.

Not when you seem to already know what's NOT going to happen in the next 100 years or so.

This started off by my agreeing with PestiRed about the prospect of future trouble in the Balkans.

I'll wait and see what happens in the next 10 years, let alone the next 100.

And I'll get back to my Croatian BBQ, this Sunday actually, my niece's first birthday.

There'll be plenty of Lefties there, of course, God Bless them.

(Not really sure where I stand politically anymore, but I'm sure I can be neatly and blanketly categorised.)

It takes all kinds of nice, different people to make up our group of family and friends.

We live in ignorant bliss, here in centre right Australia.

And 30 years behind the times in the Balkan migrant community, to be exact apparently.

[s(k)aturation]

All I can say is that 'right wing' generally applies to very rich and powerful people wanting things to stay as they are as it benefits them greatly. The left wing is usually applied to people who want to change that,although describing the Soviets as 'left wing' when they fit the right wing description has always seemed strange to me.

 

Indeed, llyich.

The 25 million-odd deaths do tend to fit the right-wing model nicely.

[s(k)aturation]

 

Indeed.

A vegetarian who also happened to be a gleefully murderous fuckwit.

And of course a greenhorn, when compared with Uncle Jo.

[VladimirIlyich]

Indeed, llyich.

The 25 million-odd deaths do tend to fit the right-wing model nicely.

I think the fact that when extremes of left and right come into play its exactly the same thing. Power and money being in the hands of a privileged few. There were few differences between the Nazis and,in particular,the Stalin led Soviet state.

[s(k)aturation]

I think the fact that when extremes of left and right come into play its exactly the same thing. Power and money being in the hands of a privileged few. There were few differences between the Nazis and,in particular,the Stalin led Soviet state.

 

Yep.

Kissing cousins.

One and the same thing, apart from mutual Slav/Aryan hatred.

But they were happy to even put that to one side, when it suited them both to double team Poland early on.

 

The "far left" and the "far right" is such an anomalous, misleading way of describing the two things, when in almost every sense they are mirror images of each other, and sit side by side... not "far" from one another at all.