Carra

[silverlining]

Nowhere near Agger. Oh my fucking Christ. This forum needs a plague of locusts to engulf it completely. Locusts with AIDS.

[withnail71]

Agger is a better football player than Carra.

he may not be up there in legendary status, but you cant question his ability. If it wasnt for injuries Agger could have been one of the best defenders in the world.

[Section_31]

Reality check.

Carra is LFC through and through, we all know that. he would walk through walls for the cause, we all know that.

But in reality, Carra was a fucking car crash for the first few years of his career. He was superb for about 4 seasons in the middle of his career, and he went steadily down hill as a player after that. He was limited as fuck and rarely got out of 'hoof it' mode. he was always found wanting against pacey players, as Henry used to delight in showing us.

A legend, yes, but as a man and an ambassador. As a player he is nowhere near Hyppia, Hansen, Thompson, even Lawrenson and Agger.

I hope he goes on to manage the club one day, because i believe he has what it takes to be a top class manager.

 

Load of bollocks.

 

Did you really just say 'found wanting against the likes of Henry?'. What you mean one of the fastest, greatest strikers who's probably ever played the game, arguably the best striker in the league at the time and the player who carried a top class Arsenal side for years Henry?

 

Carragher was ten times the natural defender Agger is, just because he doesn't bring the ball out of defence and score goals that doesn't seem to be enough for people, but so what - he's a defender - defenders defend.

 

I've often heard it said that you don't notice a great defender until he's not there, and that's been the case with Carragher, either when he's been injured or since he began to get older.

 

He was world class at what he did though, 100% battling, positional play, solid die-for-the-cause defending, there was nobody better in the league at it, Shanks and Paisley would have loved Carragher.

 

Ask the mancs who they'd rather have had at right back all those years, Gary Neville or fucking Cafu.

 

Absolutely mindblowing post.

[withnail71]

Im not even sure locusts can contract shithouse aids. ;-)

what about dutch elm disease ?

[silverlining]

Agger is a better football player than Carra.

he may not be up there in legendary status, but you cant question his ability. If it wasnt for injuries Agger could have been one of the best defenders in the world.

 

No he isnt. Jamie Carragher is one of the greatest footballers to ever play for Liverpool.

[withnail71]

Sorry, i don't think im getting my point over.

He was world class at plain 'defending'. but he was never a footballer.

[withnail71]

No he isnt. Jamie Carragher is one of the greatest footballers to ever play for Liverpool.

No, he is one of the greatest men to play football for Liverpool.

he is not one of the greatest footballers. never has been.

[TheDrowningMan]

Sorry, i don't think im getting my point over.

He was world class at plain 'defending'. but he was never a footballer.

 

I don't think you're far wrong. The reason his decline has been so sudden is simple: he relied on last ditch defending, getting in the way at the crucial moment.

 

He's never been able to read the game like a Hyypia or Maldini, he was never blessed with especially good ability on the ball, so it only took a small, natural physical decline to put him on the wrong side of the road.

 

That's why he's not elite now, that's why it was his early rather than late thirties that saw him reach that point, and that is absolutely NOT an attempt to diminish his status as a fantastic Liverpool defender.

[Dicko]

No he isnt. Jamie Carragher is one of the greatest footballers to ever play for Liverpool.

 

That is over egging the pudding Brendan.

Even Jamie wouldn't go that far.

[Guest ShoePiss]

No he isnt. Jamie Carragher is one of the greatest footballers to ever play for Liverpool.

 

You don't need to exaggerate to get your point across. Jamie has been a great player for us, certainly a Liverpool legend.

[silverlining]

That is over egging the pudding Brendan.

Even Jamie wouldn't go that far.

 

Defenders are footballers. He is one of the best defenders to ever play for us, ergo one of the best footballers.

 

I luxuriate in the knowledge that long after cunts like the dude abides and countless other Carra-hating twats have succumbed to locust aids, Jamie will be remembered for what he is: a brilliant footballer and a Liverpool legend.

[RobbieOR]

Saying that Jamie Carragher is one of the greatest players to play for the club isnt exaggerating. Its a fact.

[Guest ShoePiss]

Saying that Jamie Carragher is one of the greatest players to play for the club isnt exaggerating. Its a fact.

 

You're dead wrong but why it needs to come down to this I've no idea.

 

He's been a great player and is a legend.

 

One of the greatest ever is reserved for the likes of Dalglish, Gerrard, Barnes, Liddell, Hunt, Keegan, Hansen, Lawrenson, Souness etc. He just isn't in that league but it's no slight on him.

[RobbieOR]

You're dead wrong but why it needs to come down to this I've no idea.

 

He's been a great player and is a legend.

 

One of the greatest ever is reserved for the likes of Dalglish, Gerrard, Barnes, Liddell, Hunt, Keegan, Hansen, Lawrenson, Souness etc. He just isn't in that league but it's no slight on him.

 

he's played more games for the club than any of the players you've mentioned there. I personally think he's been one of the best.

 

But anyway, its a pointless argument.

[Guest ShoePiss]

he's played more games for the club than any of the players you've mentioned there. I personally think he's been one of the best.

 

But anyway, its a pointless argument.

 

Playing more games may make him a greater servant to the club but it doesn't make him one of the greatest to ever play for us.

[VladimirIlyich]

He's one of the greatest players to play for the club in terms of attitude,dedication and commitment to the club and every game he ever played.He is also a brilliant defender but when it comes to passing and distribution he is tidy but not a lot more.

 

This doesnt mean he isnt a great player its just that he focused on his strengths and played to them.

[a stoner]

Would Carra make it into your all time starting 11 for LFC?

 

Personally yes he would so that makes him one of our greats in my opinion.

[Guest ShoePiss]

Would Carra make it into your all time starting 11 for LFC?

 

Personally yes he would so that makes him one of our greats in my opinion.

 

He wouldn't push Hansen and Lawrenson out of the centre back positions so no.

[King Gheedorah]

He wouldn't push Hansen and Lawrenson out of the centre back positions so no.

 

How about right back?

[Guest ShoePiss]

How about right back?

 

Rob Jones, Phil Neal and Stevie Nicol were better right backs in my opinion.

[VladimirIlyich]

Would Carra make it into your all time starting 11 for LFC?

 

Personally yes he would so that makes him one of our greats in my opinion.

 

No for me either.I'd rather have Sami from this era but I'm not demeaning Carra at all.

 

Hansen,Hyppia,Hughes,Lawrenson would all play there before him for me.

[Kevin D]

How about right back?

 

You've just made it onto Bascombe's list.

 

Punishment will be severe.

[King Gheedorah]

You've just made it onto Bascombe's list.

 

Punishment will be severe.

 

Ha!

[lebron]

Rob Jones, Phil Neal and Stevie Nicol were better right backs in my opinion.

Markus Babbel too.

 

I don't really know how good the likes of Yeats, Hughes, Smith and Thompson were tbh, but from people I've seen playing live, Carra is easily behind Hansen, Lawrenson and Hyypiä in my CB book as well. I mentioned in another thread that him playing so many games for us is an outstanding achievement on his part, but also an indicator on how poor (relatively speaking of course) we've been for the last two decades. While he was among the best (in European fixtures at least - he always seemed better suited because of the slower brand of football in Europe imo) in the business in the 2004-2007 seasons, he never should have gotten so many games early on in his career (i.e we should have had better/less injury prone specialist fullbacks), and he most certainly should not have played all the games he has for the last couple of seasons. I got slaughtered the last time I dared to post something this controversial about him, so I expect nothing but a neg fest now either:P

 

Club legend of course(as are the other names I've mentioned - although sickness made Babbel's claim for that questionable) - and a truly great servant. Not the best footballer (depending on definition of course), nor the best CB we've had, not even close.

[Dicko]

he's played more games for the club than any of the players you've mentioned there. I personally think he's been one of the best.

 

But anyway, its a pointless argument.

 

Would you swap Hansen or Lawrenson for Jamie Carragher?

 

Jamie Carragher has been one of the greatest ever servants to this football club.

That doesn't mean he was one of the greatest players. That isn't a criticism. Like Tommy Smith before him he was an essential member of the team.

 

Just because they weren't in the absolute pantheon like Hughes, Hansen, Thompson, Yeats & Hyypia it does not diminish their achievements at all.

In fact it enhances them and shows their immense strength of character to surpass those great players appearances.