Ragnar Klavan

[RedKnight]

Literally have no opinion on him. I look at him and I just don't care.

[ngogswilly]

Got to get out of this notion that players not good enough to start are ok as 3rd 4th or 5th choice.

 

What happens is they inevitably get called upon and surprise surprise theyre shit.

 

Not good enough=not good enough.

 

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In a perfect world you're spot on but we don't live in that. I definitely think we could improve in the sense that we should be signing a CB to replace Lovren and ideally he'd then be 3rd choice. But its rarely ever that easy

[VladimirIlyich]

If Klavan isnt good enough(most likely he isnt) then neither is Lovren. Klavan gets stick but is only a bargain basement player,Lovren is supposed to be high end yet is equally as shite. Lovren pisses me off more because he's supposed to be a Mercedes to Klavan's 20 year old Ford or Vauxhall runaround.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Ragnar is more of a Rupert. 

[aRdja]

If Klavan isnt good enough(most likely he isnt) then neither is Lovren. Klavan gets stick but is only a bargain basement player,Lovren is supposed to be high end yet is equally as shite. Lovren pisses me off more because he's supposed to be a Mercedes to Klavan's 20 year old Ford or Vauxhall runaround.

Lovren is a better defender than Klavan though.

[Chairman Meow]

Lovren pisses me off more because he's supposed to be a Mercedes

If his injury record is anything to go buy he definitely has the build quality of one.

[VladimirIlyich]

Lovren is a better defender than Klavan though.

If he is,its not by much.(I personally don't think he is,but thats because I think both are shite.)

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

Klavan is clearly not Premier League quality. He'd have been in the second Bundesliga I reckon, had we not picked him up.

[Redder Lurtz]

He can get in the sea for me, Clive.

[Ne Moe Imya]

Got to get out of this notion that players not good enough to start are ok as 3rd 4th or 5th choice.

 

What happens is they inevitably get called upon and surprise surprise theyre shit.

 

Not good enough=not good enough.

 

This is the kind of black/white thinking that really limits your ability to understand what's going on.

 

We are never going to have 25 players capable of being regular starters in a league-winning side.  It is just ludicrous to hold our club to that standard.  Even Barcelona have players like Alcacer and Andre Gomes in their squad.  No club in history has ever had world-class players as 2nd and 3rd choices in their position in every single position.

 

The key for LFC is in finding a balance.  A balance between finding 11 top players who can win us the league but then having huge holes behind them when they get injured, and spreading our quality exactly evenly across all 25 first team players.  

 

Our 3rd-choice centre back is actually a pretty important position, that player is going to get 2000 minutes or so in the league on the pitch.  So when you look at our squad you have to say "yes, we need to spend big on getting a true #1 centre back this summer to play alongside Matip as our first-choice pairing" you also have to keep in mind that someone like Lovren or Klavan, who are not as good, are going to get significant minutes.  Therefore you want as good a player as possible there as well (while at the same time recognising that this player will never be AS good as the first choice pair, as you suggest).

[Grinch]

This is the kind of black/white thinking that really limits your ability to understand what's going on.

 

We are never going to have 25 players capable of being regular starters in a league-winning side. It is just ludicrous to hold our club to that standard. Even Barcelona have players like Alcacer and Andre Gomes in their squad. No club in history has ever had world-class players as 2nd and 3rd choices in their position in every single position.

 

The key for LFC is in finding a balance. A balance between finding 11 top players who can win us the league but then having huge holes behind them when they get injured, and spreading our quality exactly evenly across all 25 first team players.

 

Our 3rd-choice centre back is actually a pretty important position, that player is going to get 2000 minutes or so in the league on the pitch. So when you look at our squad you have to say "yes, we need to spend big on getting a true #1 centre back this summer to play alongside Matip as our first-choice pairing" you also have to keep in mind that someone like Lovren or Klavan, who are not as good, are going to get significant minutes. Therefore you want as good a player as possible there as well (while at the same time recognising that this player will never be AS good as the first choice pair, as you suggest).

Where did I say every player had to be world class?

 

What I meant was players like Lovren and Klavan who arent good enough should never be starting for the club, so not 3rd, 4th or any other number choice.

 

Theres no place in the swuad for players who cant be relied on to start a run of gamea when needed

 

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[Ne Moe Imya]

You said if they're not good enough to start then they're not good enough to be 3rd or 4th choice.

 

Which is crazy, because it implies every player in our squad has to be good enough to start for us.  No room at all for a player who's 80% as good as the first choice in his position.  Or the versatile player who gives cover at a number of positions though he's not great at any of them, just competent.  Or a young up-and-coming player who's not consistent enough to start regularly but who will develop in the cups and covering for injury.

 

It's bizarre, and it implies that we're choosing from a completely different pool of players to reality.  There's no way we convince a player who's good enough to start a run of games for us in a title-winning season to come and sit on the bench as our 4th choice centre back.  If he were that good then he'd just go somewhere else.

[G Richards]

I think we need three into two. Three of such a quality that the quality doesn't really drop off when any two play. The fourth choice can be a step lower, and Klavan is fine for that.

[Elite]

Another top class centreback would do to partner Matip. Lovren 3rd choice and hopefully Gomez 4th.

[joe_fishfish]

He was fantastic in the derby at Goodison but has been shite in the last couple of matches. Also has had Lucas preferred to him at times this season. I'd get rid.

[TheHowieLama]

***rubs hands together****

[Red Phoenix]

HAIL THE MIGHTY KLAVAN!

[Grinch]

He could spent 45 mins scratching his arse and he wouldn't be as poor as Lovren.  Pretty daft the shit he took after the City game when we've spent years watching the alternative fuck up on a weekly basis.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Shit.

[Ranxerox]

"Vikings....good on offensive, bad on defence"

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

He could spent 45 mins scratching his arse and he wouldn't be as poor as Lovren. Pretty daft the shit he took after the City game when we've spent years watching the alternative fuck up on a weekly basis.

Lovren is far from good enough, but he's far better than Klavan.

[Biscao]

He's shit.

[J-V]

You know Football's fucked when this joke gets his own thread.  One for the shitness thread.

[TheHowieLama]

I love the fact that he is a Viking.

 

"Vikings!..Long on horns, short on shorts!"

[Chip Butty]

He's shit.

 

Yet he became the orchestrator and the builder of our attacks, as the defence brought the ball out time after time in the second half, the mid-field hid.

 

I'm by no means either his biggest fan nor his biggest detractor, but the mid-field disappearing act that we witnessed today was a joke, add to that the shockingly far too late substitutions and the woeful willingness  to make a difference by said mid-field, takes the heat off of this fella for me.... well, for this week at least anyway.