Klopp Kopped.

[TheHowieLama]

 Myself and Paul off here were screaming for him

 

And that probably scared him away.

[3 Stacks]

 

 

But they weren't that high up the pitch, in the sense that they still functioned as DMs and were largely played behind the rest of the midfield. In that sense, they offered a level of specialised protection - no matter where that line lies - to the defence. I think most people would gladly have a DM in the side, even if they weren't specifically a holding player who slotted in between CBs and dictated play.

 

I agree though, if Klopp wanted either, he'd have targeted such a player. I get the feeling we're seeing Klopp not only try to evolve us, but his own coaching as well. He said early on that we wouldn't simply be Dortmund, and the team had to emerge. These are probably the early growing pains of that process.

 

 

I think if he's ever going to buy a defensive midfielder it would be someone like say Lars Bender. Someone with great interception and tackle per game stats but that also has a huge workrate and can play in a more box-to-box role. But I don't think we'll ever see him buy a true holding midfielder like Makelele or a deep lying playmaker like Alonso. I think that just goes against what he wants to do as a coach.

[TheHowieLama]

 

 

But they weren't that high up the pitch, in the sense that they still functioned as DMs and were largely played behind the rest of the midfield. In that sense, they offered a level of specialised protection 

 

I am sure you have noticed he is playing Henderson in that smae role- you might not think he is a DM (or rate him) - but it is the same role. Its not like we are playing without one. (cue the punch lines)

 

Henderson won more tackles today than any player on the field - by alot. You dont lose a game where you have 85% possession because of a DM.

[Paco]

I am sure you have noticed he is playing Henderson in that smae role- you might not think he is a DM (or rate him) - but it is the same role. Its not like we are playing without one. (cue the punch lines)

 

Henderson won more tackles today than any player on the field - by alot. You dont lose a game where you have 85% possession because of a DM.

You don't win football matches with possession. It's a combination of scoring goals and not conceding. We did neither. Would a dm have helped us not lose?

[Kevin D]

I think if he's ever going to buy a defensive midfielder it would be someone like say Lars Bender.

 

 

 

Someone with great interception and tackle per game stats but that also has a huge workrate and can play in a more box-to-box role.

 

But I don't think we'll ever see him buy a true holding midfielder like Makelele or a deep lying playmaker like Alonso. I think that just goes against what he wants to do as a coach.

Fixing our midfield is not as complicated as Libpool managers make it.

 

Is he black? Is he 6'2? Is he a defensive midfielder?

 

If he scores 2/3, sign him.

[GJM]

86% possession away from home and we think we lose because of the absence of a defensively minded midfielder?

 

Hmmmm...

[Paco]

86% possession away from home and we think we lose because of the absence of a defensively minded midfielder?

 

Hmmmm...

Conceded 5 goals in 2 games. Would a dm help with that?

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

No point turning on Klopp. Liverpool wont be attractung a better manager. We're quite lucky he even gave us a chance.

 

Our only hope is he's still around when the yanks have sold the club to people interested in winning.

 

So Klopp is beyond criticism because we're so lucky to have him?

 

I agree Klopp deserves his fair share of criticism but lets not forget Klopp hit two major finals last season against the odds and that is by far an exception as he's hit a few managerial highs before.

 

And maybe getting to those 2 finals have blinkered his views on some of the squad. We lost both finals and finished 8th in the league.

 

I understand people being annoyed about the lack of cull that appears to have happened this summer, but off the top of my head we have gotten rid of ibe, Allen, benteke, smith, bogdan, skrtel, toure and numerous youngsters. Not including the likes of balotelli, markovic, illori, Alberto, wisdom and probably a lot more that I'm missing who need fucking off. In doing this you have to take a pragmatic approach. I've named 12 players there that have gone and need getting rid of. It takes time shifting that amount of shite. Then you look at the first team, for me mignolet, lallana, Moreno, sturridge, Henderson will all hopefully be replaced long term, but that turnaround of players cannot possibly be done overnight. So in a sense Klopp has to hang his hat on some of these first team players. My hope is that we can continue to get rid of the absolute shite listed above and the mediocre to average players who currently litter the first team are phased out over time. We are in it for the long haul with Klopp and while people have every right to pull him up on tactical decision, substitutions and mistakes I think it is counter productive to say we should have got so and so instead or saying he's not good enough(which may happen further down the line) etc because like it or not he is by far the best qualified manager who we can realistically attract. To sum up. We need to be patient. It'll be interesting to see if we can be. Personally I highly doubt it.

 

He's had 2 transfer windows. He did fuck all in January when we needed at least a goalkeeper and left back at the very least. Given how many points both Mignolet and Moreno combined cost us, getting in a quality left back and goalkeeper could have meant we finished top 4 and even won either or both of those finals.

 

But does he need to play Lallana and Firmino every single match ? 

 

This seriously does my fucking head in as do both players game after game. Neither should be regular starters.

 

Yes its to premature, but hes been here a few months now and two windows to deal in, and we seem to be just as bad as we were before he joined, i know that we scored shit loads of goals later half of last season, but we still ended up on 8th place. im glad we got Klopp but i think hes doing exactly the same mistakes so many of our former managers have done, he has all ready picked his favourit players and they are almost undroppable no matter how bad form they are in or how little impact they have on the team. 

 

This is what I cannot get my head around. Klopp can't be stupid, yet he seems to be as blinkered as someone like Wenger, completely oblivious to the defensive side of the game. Even Wenger has started playing with DM's.

 

Easy, he doesn't accept glaring problems exist. Just like the.others.

 

This.

 

[Grinch]

Can never take anyone serious when they dont rate Firmino. Hes involved in the majority of our goals ffs.

 

Take Coutinho and Firmino out of this side and wed be closer to the drop than the top four.

[Red74]

I disagree that we are anywhere near as bad as we were when Rodgers went. The evidence being 2 cup finals, wins away at the bigger clubs in the league, scoring lots more goals and a much leaner squad. We are still massively frustrating and inconsistent but have progressed significantly since Klopps arrival in my opinion.

We were closer to Leicester when he took over compared to where we ended up and we didn't turn up in those 2 finals.

[Red74]

Was saying it before we sacked Rodgers never mind last week, it was a no brainier . Myself and Paul off here were screaming for him

Spot on. Ancelotti was the first manager linked with us when it looked like Rogers was finally getting the bullet so to say no one was talking about him till this week doesn't make sense.

[Creator Supreme]

Oh fuck off! Yeah I don't go the match anymore, big deal! The same shite was being served up by the players and the manager 12-15 years ago when I was a regular, and billions of pounds and 100's of players later we're no better off.

 

You notice the same signs earlier after a while, that's why we're kicking off after 2 games.

 

We need to accept we're mid - table also rans, and that won't change unless we get an arab sugar daddy, or have a miracle Leicester type season!

[Stickman]

86% possession away from home and we think we lose because of the absence of a defensively minded midfielder?

 

Hmmmm...

We had that much possession because we were 2-0 down, that for Burnley was a dream come true they were never going to relinquish that by attacking us.

[TheHowieLama]

You don't win football matches with possession. It's a combination of scoring goals and not conceding. We did neither. Would a dm have helped us not lose?

 

Not lose? So to draw nil nil? Maybe - but if we are going to Burnley with the mind set and set up to not lose I would prefer not to watch tbh.

 

A better way of not losing might be to score a couple when you have 26 shots.

[Paco]

Not lose? So to draw nil nil? Maybe - but if we are going to Burnley with the mind set and set up to not lose I would prefer not to watch tbh.

 

A better way of not losing might be to score a couple when you have 26 shots.

I'd rather draw nil nil than lose 2 nil. I'd rather win 3-2 of course but what's the next best?

 

They re both as important as proved 2 years ago when we lost the league despite scoring 100 goals.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

We had that much possession because we were 2-0 down, that for Burnley was a dream come true they were never going to relinquish that by attacking us.

 

Exactly. The reason people are banging on about a DM, even after a match in which we've dominated possession, is they'd like to see us not concede that opening goal.

 

Watch the opening goals against both Arsenal and Burnley. Bar the finish, they're almost carbon copies in terms of the glaring midfield weaknesses.

 

Arsenal - Lallana is on the right of midfield, he can't hold onto the ball and is easily tackled, Henderson drifts with a runner rather than going to close down the player with the ball, and Wijnaldum is ahead of the ball and jogging back, seemingly with no intention to do much. No one is tackled, Arsenal score.

 

Fast forward to Burnely - Clyne plays a poor ball to Lallana who's in right midfield, Lallana can't win it. Henderson stands like a cone rather than tackling, Wijnaldum is a few yards ahead of the ball and jogs back with little intent to do anything. No one is tackled, Burnley score.

 

The key themes will keep popping up. Lallana's weak, Henderson is a runner rather than a thinker and Wijnaldum's natural instinct is as an AM. All are fine player in isolation, but combined they're soft and ill equipped for the task ahead. They're not more than the sum of their parts - as many, myself included hoped they'd be - they're infinitely less.

 

I've knocked Lucas as much as the next man, but he'll be used the same as he was under Rodgers, when someone wakes up in mid October and realises that none of these players can tackle, and we accept that continually clattering someone ten yards away from our box is probably the lesser of two evils.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I think if we want fulllbacks who are constantly legging it up the pitch the very second we get the ball then we either need to play three centre backs, have two of the midfield sit deeper or an out and out defensive midfielder helping plug the gaps. We are a train wreck when counter attacked, its so glaringly obvious a weakness that we huff and puff with a million bodies in their half but then are sliced open with ease in the blink of an eye at the other end.

 

Completely unbalanced. We dont need to pack one area of the pitch with so many bodies, I get trying to win the ball high up the pitch but most teams in this league dont play about with the ball at the back, we just end up with between 6 to 8 players watching the ball get hoofed past them and two centrebacks shitting themselves not knowing which player to cover or what direction to run in.

[El Rojo]

Can never take anyone serious when they dont rate Firmino. Hes involved in the majority of our goals ffs.

 

Take Coutinho and Firmino out of this side and wed be closer to the drop than the top four.

 

True enough. Imagine having Firmino as an option around 2008 with a bit of spine and smarts behind him like Gerrard, Mascherano and Alonso?

[Pureblood]

I say fuck Carlo Ancelotti and fuck our brainless impatient fans.

 

You all dropped to your knees and sucked Klopp off as soon as he arrived, now he's not good enough?  Wankers.   

[Simbo]

I say fuck Carlo Ancelotti and fuck our brainless impatient fans.

 

You all dropped to your knees and sucked Klopp off as soon as he arrived, now he's not good enough? Wankers.

I'm with you. It's bollocks. Fucking 2 games into the season.

[Red74]

Oh great, here come the super fans to tell us how we should carry on tolerating pure shite cos it's the Liverpool way.

[Pureblood]

So if you don't spit the dummy out after two games you're a superfan.  Gotcha.  

[Red74]

It's not two games tho is it! This has gone on for 26 years. In the 80's when we won fucking everything, we were the biggest moaners in the league. It's the fannying round from our modern day fans with the give him time mantra that's a big part of our problem

[Pureblood]

It's precisely two games.  None of this happened against Arsenal last week. 

 

Newsflash; it's not the 1980s.

[Red74]

youre only as good as your last game