TLW History Thread

[Bjornebye]

Just now, dockers_strike said:

Fascinating fact, a 'tow rag' was a piece of cloth attached to a sheet (rope) that dangled in the water behind the naval and other sailing ships. When the sailors wanted a shit, the dumped direct into the sea, pulled in the 'tow rag,' hence called because it was towed by the ship, wiped their arse on it then lowered in back into the sea to clean off for the next sailor to use!

 

The term has since become part of the venacular as an insult as 'toe rag.'

I always wondered what that was called..... 

 

 

[Red Shift]

On 17/09/2022 at 08:26, Strontium said:

 

Yeah, we have a tendency to think of states and borders as these immutable things, but they've generally been in constant flux over the centuries. If you go back a mere 3,000 years, I think there's only one country in the same location, inhabited by the same people speaking the same language, as today.

India was a thriving community 6000 yrs ago.

 

 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/du-sanskrit-meet-pushes-back-period-of-vedas-to-6000-bc/article7692864.ece

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

India was a thriving community 6000 yrs ago.

 

 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/du-sanskrit-meet-pushes-back-period-of-vedas-to-6000-bc/article7692864.ece

Careful.... 

[Bjornebye]

Michael Palin documentary coming up about Iraq. The birth of civilisation. Looks good. 

[VladimirIlyich]

5 hours ago, Red Shift said:

India was a thriving community 6000 yrs ago.

 

 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/du-sanskrit-meet-pushes-back-period-of-vedas-to-6000-bc/article7692864.ece

A scholar named Dikshit? Has to be bollocks.

[Strontium]

5 hours ago, Red Shift said:

India was a thriving community 6000 yrs ago.

 

 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/du-sanskrit-meet-pushes-back-period-of-vedas-to-6000-bc/article7692864.ece

 

Only been called India for about 2,500 years, and the Hindi language is less than 1,000 years old.

[Red Shift]

19 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

Only been called India for about 2,500 years, and the Hindi language is less than 1,000 years old.

Were probably speaking Sanskrit. That’s at least 4000 yrs old.

[Kevin D]

Procopius describing the Empress Theodora:

 

“Often, even in the theater, in the sight of all the people, she removed her costume and stood nude in their midst, except for a girdle about the groin: not that she was abashed at revealing that, too, to the audience, but because there was a law against appearing altogether naked on the stage, without at least this much of a fig-leaf. Covered thus with a ribbon, she would sink down to the stage floor and recline on her back. Slaves to whom the duty was entrusted would then scatter grains of barley from above into the calyx of this passion flower, whence geese, trained for the purpose, would next pick the grains one by one with their bills and eat. When she rose, it was not with a blush, but she seemed rather to glory in the performance. For she was not only impudent herself, but endeavored to make everybody else as audacious. Often when she was alone with other actors, she would undress in their midst and arch her back provocatively, advertising like a peacock both to those who had experience of her and to those who had not yet had that privilege her trained suppleness.”

 

We’ve got some good conspiracy theories, these days, but we really don’t slander people like we used to.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 16/09/2022 at 21:26, Strontium said:

 

Yeah, we have a tendency to think of states and borders as these immutable things, but they've generally been in constant flux over the centuries. If you go back a mere 3,000 years, I think there's only one country in the same location, inhabited by the same people speaking the same language, as today.

China?

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

China?

 

Wasn't called China and was substantially smaller back then.

[Red_or_Dead]

On 17/09/2022 at 19:08, dockers_strike said:

Fascinating fact, a 'tow rag' was a piece of cloth attached to a sheet (rope) that dangled in the water behind the naval and other sailing ships. When the sailors wanted a shit, the dumped direct into the sea, pulled in the 'tow rag,' hence called because it was towed by the ship, wiped their arse on it then lowered in back into the sea to clean off for the next sailor to use!

 

The term has since become part of the venacular as an insult as 'toe rag.'

The OED doesn't agree:

 

[Megadrive Man]

Always expect this thread to be about the history of TLW!

 

The humble beginnings of Dave Usher before he became the LFC Mark Zuckerberg! 

 

Black and white photos of the early fanzines etc.

[Kevin D]

 

 

[Kepler-186]

Another bit of shameful UK history in which Liverpool features prominently. 
 

The deportations of Chinese sailors after WW2. Many had started families and were just rounded up without being able to tell their loved ones. The knock on  effect on them is awful. 
 

There’s a plaque at the Pier Head near the Merchant Navy and Johnnie Walker memorials as lots of the sailors worked for the Blue Funnel line. 
 

Video in link. 
 

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2022-12-14/-Watch-The-Secret-Betrayal-how-the-UK-ejected-the-Chinese-sailors-who-had-risked-their-lives-1fIjbwara8w/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2n3QQXtZNm55jVeP6ajt6gcOkueAeN05HnGpWsHwXn0qSikNPM27rWZfI

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Kevin D]

 

 

[Lee909]

That is superb

[Gnasher]

Not Liverpool but France. Powerful pic this.

[Lee909]

Pretty good debate on Napoleon 

Nice to see a debate handled properly and with fun rather than the shite you get in most debates at the moment

 

 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

On 26/10/2022 at 14:30, Red_or_Dead said:

The OED doesn't agree:

 

 It’s not like dockers to be wrong. 

[Kepler-186]

5 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Pretty good debate on Napoleon 

Nice to see a debate handled properly and with fun rather than the shite you get in most debates at the moment

 

 

 

French bastard! 

[Paulie Dangerously]

On 26/10/2022 at 13:39, Kevin D said:

Procopius describing the Empress Theodora:

 

“Often, even in the theater, in the sight of all the people, she removed her costume and stood nude in their midst, except for a girdle about the groin: not that she was abashed at revealing that, too, to the audience, but because there was a law against appearing altogether naked on the stage, without at least this much of a fig-leaf. Covered thus with a ribbon, she would sink down to the stage floor and recline on her back. Slaves to whom the duty was entrusted would then scatter grains of barley from above into the calyx of this passion flower, whence geese, trained for the purpose, would next pick the grains one by one with their bills and eat. When she rose, it was not with a blush, but she seemed rather to glory in the performance. For she was not only impudent herself, but endeavored to make everybody else as audacious. Often when she was alone with other actors, she would undress in their midst and arch her back provocatively, advertising like a peacock both to those who had experience of her and to those who had not yet had that privilege her trained suppleness.”

 

We’ve got some good conspiracy theories, these days, but we really don’t slander people like we used to.

 

Finding this thread increasingly easy to masturbate to 

[Paulie Dangerously]

Coco Chanel: Nazi 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviapinnock/2020/10/01/coco-chanel-nazi-connection-matter-for-fashion-today/

[VladimirIlyich]

41 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

Coco Chanel: Nazi 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviapinnock/2020/10/01/coco-chanel-nazi-connection-matter-for-fashion-today/

Coco and Hugo,peas in a pod.

[Kepler-186]

There’s a great listen here on The Bureau of Lost Culture (on all the major podcast apps) about the music scene in Cambodia post French colonisation in

the 1950s (or end of protectorate status) up to the awful Khmer Rouge regime of the 1970s.