Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

I only looked at the Corbyn image, quickly realised it was super-imposed and had to double check! I didn't notice the giant cunts in the background. How much did you pay for your ticket? 

 

I fucked the joke up to A Red to be fair.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

Good. Hope you die in a fire you little rat. Socialism. 

 

Christ almighty 

[Gnasher]

They're doorstepping again.

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

Evil cultish cunts 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

^ gawd.

I must have missed those 2019 pledges which focused solely on Palestine and facism

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, House of Dirk said:

So, can we close this thread when Corbyn doesnt run as candidate (for whatever reason) at the next election ?

 

Will that be enough for people to accept that he is finally gone ?

Doesn't sound like he isn't going to stand?

I'm defend him against the shite that's spoken about him,even on here,but like Cs says,trying to stand as a Labour mp isn't the right move imho.

He has given much of his life to politics,I can't see him just fucking off to his allotment.

[Arniepie]

Maybe I'm being a bit thick here,but if this is correct,why was 2019 such a rout?

Did more people vote?

 

 

[Gnasher]

25 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I must have missed those 2019 pledges which focused solely on Palestine and facism

 

It was in response to the Numero post where he wanted me to die in a fire tbh Arnie.

 

I agree with you on your point about Palestine and facism though.

[Strontium]

9 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Maybe I'm being a bit thick here,but if this is correct,why was 2019 such a rout?

Did more people vote?

 

Yes... predominantly for the Tories.

[Bjornebye]

Amazing how much the media can manipulate thick people for their own gain. 

[sir roger]

I know Corbyn is proud of his long tenure in the Labour party, but once it became clear that Starmer had done a 180 on his pledges and was actively targetting him and like-minded members in what he sees as a vote-winning ploy, he should have looked into spearheading a breakaway party with the likes of McDonnell, Abbott and the Socialists MP's still left, and sought advice on taking legal actions against his most strident ( and careless ) detractors. I know history has not been kind to splitters in British politics, but the alternative is being made to look like mugs daily by a guy who prefers Christian Wakeford as a colleague to Ian Byrne, while they are picked off one by one for exclusion. The Islington stuff is stupid, either stand as an independent on a Fuck Blue Labour ticket, or retire. Don't give Starmer the satisfaction of being made to look a cunt by the selection process.

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I know Corbyn is proud of his long tenure in the Labour party, but once it became clear that Starmer had done a 180 on his pledges and was actively targetting him and like-minded members in what he sees as a vote-winning ploy, he should have looked into spearheading a breakaway party with the likes of McDonnell, Abbott and the Socialists MP's still left, and sought advice on taking legal actions against his most strident ( and careless ) detractors. I know history has not been kind to splitters in British politics, but the alternative is being made to look like mugs daily by a guy who prefers Christian Wakeford as a colleague to Ian Byrne, while they are picked off one by one for exclusion. The Islington stuff is stupid, either stand as an independent on a Fuck Blue Labour ticket, or retire. Don't give Starmer the satisfaction of being made to look a cunt by the selection process.

I think if he would have done that he would have been accused of splitting the Labour vote and I suppose he think I've been Labour all these years,why should I be forced out?

[Gnasher]

Rumours circulating if Corbyn can't fight Islington for Labour he's going to jib it off. He's going to fight as an Independent in Keir Starmers seat instead. Hes also going to wear a Jimmy Saville outfit to all the debates, hustings etc. Bastard.

[Bjornebye]

I’ve said for a while he should jib it off. He can’t beat the media. Stick to demos 

[Jack the Sipper]

I see Gnasher's taking the news of Corbyn's deselection with all the good grace I would expect of the man.

 

 

[Gnasher]

The tv, radio and newspapers were full of people like the below spouting the same vote Boris tory nonsense. Most got handsomely rewarded for their treachery.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/01/scandal-timeline-tory-sleaze-boris-johnson

 

 

Love you Britain.

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Anybody who advocates voting Tory over Labour at a general election should be a million miles away from the Labour party. Simple as a that really. That said, I do wonder if staunch Corbyn fans, who're still banging on about the bloke now and bringing up videos from years ago and have their twitter bio dedicated to him, ever look inwards and ever had a period of reflection to ask themselves why so many people didn't take to Corbyn (or frankly, much worse, despised him), or if they ever asked why somebody they regard so highly (as a man of greatness, the most successful Labour politician in living memory, etc) was rejected twice by the British public when he was trying to give them free stuff. They don't seem the most level-headed of people, so I suspect they didn't often ask this question. Not everyone in the country is some horrible, nasty bastard so stupid they are swayed by what the media say. Surely? Or maybe it is as simple as that, Corbyn is great and anybody who can't see it is a brainwashed cunt or a borderline Nazi truth twister. 

 

I found it interesting at the time, so I asked two questions to different people I knew or was working with then. First was 'why do you like Corbyn so much' to his supporters, and it's easy to guess why and it's easy to know why without asking the question. He's a decent man, with principles that are focused on wanting to help people in obvious, caring ways. He gives a shit and isn't establishment in the way others were. It's not some mystery why some like him. He was somebody the left could get behind. The overegging his pudding was a bit nauseating but still.  

 

I also asked why people disliked him with such ferocity. How could such a loved personality be hated so much. I honestly expected it to be mixed between 'dirty socialist' and 'antisemite', and although some people mentioned socialism, very rarely did anybody ever mention antisemitism. I don't think the media was particularly persuasive on that. Much more regular were things like 1) the sort of people he associated with 2) his lack of competence and faith in his ability 3) concerns over the economy and debt 4) foreign policy (Russia, Iran, etc) 5) anti-western views 6) a total rejection of the 'benevolent grandad' vibe 7) Brexiteer in sheep's clothing. Now, the media did mention his connections, but some of the other things were barely pushed. I don't see many Corbynites accepting any of these criticisms, even though they're valid concerns for many voters. This is obviously just small scale of people I interacted with at the time, anecdotal stuff that has no merits outside of those I asked, but self reflection when there has has been such a big failure, like the 2019 loss, is important. Whatever happened with Corbyn needs to be examined by the left so the next time a left wing candidate comes along, the same mistakes aren't repeated. 

[Arniepie]

33 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Anybody who advocates voting Tory over Labour at a general election should be a million miles away from the Labour party. Simple as a that really. That said, I do wonder if staunch Corbyn fans, who're still banging on about the bloke now and bringing up videos from years ago and have their twitter bio dedicated to him, ever look inwards and ever had a period of reflection to ask themselves why so many people didn't take to Corbyn (or frankly, much worse, despised him), or if they ever asked why somebody they regard so highly (as a man of greatness, the most successful Labour politician in living memory, etc) was rejected twice by the British public when he was trying to give them free stuff. They don't seem the most level-headed of people, so I suspect they didn't often ask this question. Not everyone in the country is some horrible, nasty bastard so stupid they are swayed by what the media say. Surely? Or maybe it is as simple as that, Corbyn is great and anybody who can't see it is a brainwashed cunt or a borderline Nazi truth twister. 

 

I found it interesting at the time, so I asked two questions to different people I knew or was working with then. First was 'why do you like Corbyn so much' to his supporters, and it's easy to guess why and it's easy to know why without asking the question. He's a decent man, with principles that are focused on wanting to help people in obvious, caring ways. He gives a shit and isn't establishment in the way others were. It's not some mystery why some like him. He was somebody the left could get behind. The overegging his pudding was a bit nauseating but still.  

 

I also asked why people disliked him with such ferocity. How could such a loved personality be hated so much. I honestly expected it to be mixed between 'dirty socialist' and 'antisemite', and although some people mentioned socialism, very rarely did anybody ever mention antisemitism. I don't think the media was particularly persuasive on that. Much more regular were things like 1) the sort of people he associated with 2) his lack of competence and faith in his ability 3) concerns over the economy and debt 4) foreign policy (Russia, Iran, etc) 5) anti-western views 6) a total rejection of the 'benevolent grandad' vibe 7) Brexiteer in sheep's clothing. Now, the media did mention his connections, but some of the other things were barely pushed. I don't see many Corbynites accepting any of these criticisms, even though they're valid concerns for many voters. This is obviously just small scale of people I interacted with at the time, anecdotal stuff that has no merits outside of those I asked, but self reflection when there has has been such a big failure, like the 2019 loss, is important. Whatever happened with Corbyn needs to be examined by the left so the next time a left wing candidate comes along, the same mistakes aren't repeated. 

someone tweeted last night the reason everyone he knew didn’t vote for Corbyn was because they all considered him a "commie" (I’m assuming he comes from somewhere oop north)

ive lost count of the number of times I’ve seen him branded a racist,marxist,terrorist sympathiser, hates his country etc I’ve given up asking for evidence as you very rarely get a response.

I’ve got to say I completely disagree with the concept that the media didn’t contribute to the completely inaccurate image of him. 

 Thats my experience anyway.

  

[Numero Veinticinco]

13 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

someone tweeted last night the reason everyone he knew didn’t vote for Corbyn was because they all considered him a "commie" (I’m assuming he comes from somewhere oop north)

ive lost count of the number of times I’ve seen him branded a racist,marxist,terrorist sympathiser, hates his country etc I’ve given up asking for evidence as you very rarely get a response.

I’ve got to say I completely disagree with the concept that the media didn’t contribute to the completely inaccurate image of him. 

 Thats my experience anyway.

  

I think they contributed mate, I don’t think it’s the everything though. Maybe there were some things people might have disliked that actually had merit. Hates his own country and the west is certainly something that comes up, and the argument that attacking your own country’s government relentlessly for decades doesn’t amount to hate didn’t penetrate. Some of the stuff around Russia has been something that gets mentioned a lot. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I think he's speaking at this anti-racist demo today and I'd rather he wasn't. The racists are spinning this as local working class people being neglected and let down by the woke political class; the pushback against that false narrative has to come from local working class people.

[Arniepie]

20 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think they contributed mate, I don’t think it’s the everything though. Maybe there were some things people might have disliked that actually had merit. Hates his own country and the west is certainly something that comes up, and the argument that attacking your own country’s government relentlessly for decades doesn’t amount to hate didn’t penetrate. Some of the stuff around Russia has been something that gets mentioned a lot. 

It’s almost impossible to measure but it’s certainly played  significant part

Even though I don’t agree with all your criticisms of Corbyn, I accept many of them are valid and are at least based on his failings as a leader.

Between 2017 and 2019 Corbyn had almost 2 years of non-stop negative publicity  and a huge chunk has seeped in IMHO.(I’ve said it before but I’d still love to know how one becomes a peace loving activist who advocates kids being blown to pieces)

[Numero Veinticinco]

11 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

 

Even though I don’t agree with all your criticisms of Corbyn, I accept many of them are valid and are at least based on his failings as a leader.

 

 

For me, that's a totally valid perspective. Some people like him more than others and put more truck into criticisms and some have a more generous view of things based on other factors of his life. That's totally fine to have that level of disagreement. For me it's when you get to those who think he's some sort of God's gift to peace and love and understanding and a great human of historic significance or the ones who think he's some Jew hating, fascist loving, terrorist. The extremes are ridiculous with Corbyn. He really is just a bloke, who in my view bit of WAY more than he could chew but is ultimately as decent as most left wingers you'd find at a CLP. What baffles me is where it goes nuclear on either side. Now I don't deny that I wouldn't let many of the current SCG members run anything of significance, but that has nothing to do with their political beliefs. It doesn't make you a Tory or a right winger to think somebody is just a bit shit. It doesn't even mean you hate that person, I don't hate Corbyn I voted for him twice even though I have some fundamental disagreements with him and think he just isn't capable enough to lead a party or a country. 

 

I just hope he decides to stand down and the twitter left find a new champion. 

[Bjornebye]

I have friends who are Corbyn supporters …… 

 

Bore off 

[torahboy]

I suppose in an age in which we have seen liars, incompetents, mass murderers, bankers placemen and just outright cunts 'leading' the UK  people found the sincerity, the comparative normality and, not least, the wealth equalising policies of Corbyn attractive. 2017 indicated that the electorate were ready for a change. Then the banks, the media  the Israel lobby and the medocrities of centrist Labour decided that the electorate didn't like Corbyn. 

 

Corbyn wasn't a sharp dresser, he was a public speaker without verbal flourishes and displayed a certain naviety - he trusted people who agreed with his policies and put them in his shadow cabinet - and he worked an allotment, didn't drink and was a vegetarian. The last three practices I found particularly appalling; gardening, no booze, no meat? Madness! So I really can't understand why he should draw such criticism from Labour voters - or former Labour voters.

 

Maybe it's because socialist ideology is out of place in a party that was created to offer a socialist alternative to the uncontronstrained, insatiable greed of the masters of a system of unconscionable exploitation. Or perhaps it's just that lies still work on the public. Well, Labour have now got a man leading them to whom lies seem to be second nature. Maybe the country deserves him.

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I have friends who are Corbyn supporters …… 

 

Bore off 

 

You talking to me? Most of my friends are either Corbyn supporters or to the left of Corbyn. As a working class boy, from abject poverty, growing up on a council estate with a single mum reliant on benefits (you know, your traditional posh Tory sort), my childhood friends are mostly in working class jobs (though often earning bloody good money). Why wouldn't I have Corbyn supporting friends? Surely you haven't bought into another of Gnasher's lies that I'm some posh kid who went to private school and hangs around with posh people. I did work really, really fucking hard to break free of poverty though. I wanted things to get better for my family, then I had a kid early and I really, really didn't want my son to suffer through some of the things I did, so I gave my everything to educate myself outside of the shithole school then I went to university and did well whilst being a young father and working when I wasn't studying. Then I got a good job paying good money, and I use that money in a smart way so I can support several people. So I guess that makes me a cunt. Well, fair enough, I didn't like being poor very much. Sorry, I guess. *shrug*

 

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Bore off 

 

Yeah, I might. Instinctively I don't want to because I have as much right to a view as anybody. I'm a stubborn cunt like that. I am getting worn down though, so yeah I probably will bore off. Not because I feel forced out - I've always done and said whatever the fuck I want - but because it's a waste of time (mine and others) and not really enjoyable. I already started posting about politics elsewhere, so I'm here out of habit really. I need to plan a mega-flounce though, having been wrongly accused of it before (strangely regurgitated) I might as well commit the crime. Pft, who am I kidding, I can't even be bothered to do that. 

 

Enjoy what you're left with. 

 

(Pst. That was my flounce. Feel free to make fun of it at my expense to make yourselves feel superior).