Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[aRdja]

18 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

I'm married to a Welsh woman who's family live in Wrexham, Cardiff and Liverpool.  They are all working class ex-British Forces (Welsh Fusiliers) and are to a man/woman convinced Corbyn supports the IRA.  They would vote for Hitler before him.  And while they have all said they'd never vote Tory, I'm fairly certain a few of them would to make sure Corbyn doesn't get in, this is their hate for the man. All their mates who are also ex-forces or partners/friends of ex-forces are all massively anti-Corbyn too and will not vote for Labour despite being Labour voters for decades because he's the leader. You can argue the merit of this (daft) policy that they have, but it's happening. 

 

It just seems to me that there is simply no chance of Labour winning with him as leader given the press propaganda against him too, so surely it's more important that Labour win with someone else as leader, as opposed to a "good performance" with Corbyn that still results in a Tory Government?

 

The biggest threat to not just the UK, but my country, and Europe, is a Johnson lead government for the next 5 years.  Surely everything must be done to prevent that?  And does that include getting rid of a Labour leader that's so divisive that even normal Labour voters won't touch him, such as my in-laws and their friends?

Is “some working class people are convinced that Corbyn supports the IRA” a good enough reason to replace a leader of a political party? Make no mistake, the right wing press will smear his replacement all the same if he’s a socialist. Only yesterday, the right accused Jeremy Corbyn of supporting ISIS FFS. 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Is “some working class people are convinced that Corbyn supports the IRA” a good enough reason to replace a leader of a political party? Make no mistake, the right wing press will smear his replacement all the same if he’s a socialist. Only yesterday, the right accused Jeremy Corbyn of supporting ISIS FFS. 

Only yesterday the Left accused BJ of not caring about the victims of Grenfell.  
 

it’s ok to to use hyperbole but only when it’s for your side.  

[aRdja]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Only yesterday the Left accused BJ of not caring about the victims of Grenfell.  
 

it’s ok to to use hyperbole but only when it’s for your side.  

Feel free to use ‘hyperbole’ Rico. I’m not stopping you. I posted the link where the right called Corbyn an ISIS supporter.... pretty sure that’s not hyperbole.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah that was great to be fair. The abuse she gets off the Tories when she speaks is horrible. Bercow had to stand up and tell them to shut the fuck up. 

Have a look what she’s been called here, it’s worse. 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Feel free to use hyperbole Rico. I’m not stopping you. I posted the link where the right called Corbyn an ISIS supporter.... pretty sure that’s not hyperbole.

No thanks. You’ll misunderstand and accuse me of conspiracy to murder.  

[moof]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Only yesterday the Left accused BJ of not caring about the victims of Grenfell.  
 

it’s ok to to use hyperbole but only when it’s for your side.  

Lmao

[moof]

Pitiful stuff

[aRdja]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

No thanks. You’ll misunderstand and accuse me of conspiracy to murder.  

Cool. So let’s just carry on and stop crying foul. 

[SasaS]

7 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Is “some working class people are convinced that Corbyn supports the IRA” a good enough reason to replace a leader of a political party? Make no mistake, the right wing press will smear his replacement all the same if he’s a socialist. Only yesterday, the right accused Jeremy Corbyn of supporting ISIS FFS. 

If it was just the IRA he supports... the man's a fucking Gooner. 

[TheHowieLama]

Well,somebody in this clusterfuck is human scum. Of that you can be sure.

[Rico1304]

10 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Well,somebody in this clusterfuck is human scum. Of that you can be sure.

It’s definitely Moof. 

[JohnnyH]

40 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Is “some working class people are convinced that Corbyn supports the IRA” a good enough reason to replace a leader of a political party? Make no mistake, the right wing press will smear his replacement all the same if he’s a socialist. Only yesterday, the right accused Jeremy Corbyn of supporting ISIS FFS. 

Nope.  I'm just giving an example of usual Labour voters who aren't voting Labour because of the leader and asking is it worth considering changing the leader to give Labour the best possible chance of a win?

 

I see that cunt Rachel Riley is really pushing the "a vote for Corbyn is a vote for racism" line and the sad thing is loads of people who may have voted for Labour now won't because of that also. 

 

This election is the biggest in a lifetime considering what could happen if Johnson wins - so I'm asking is it worth it to keep someone who seems to have virtually no chance of winning out of some loyalty or whatever, or if it would be better to change now and give Labour a better chance?

[Bjornebye]

24 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

Nope.  I'm just giving an example of usual Labour voters who aren't voting Labour because of the leader and asking is it worth considering changing the leader to give Labour the best possible chance of a win?

 

I see that cunt Rachel Riley is really pushing the "a vote for Corbyn is a vote for racism" line and the sad thing is loads of people who may have voted for Labour now won't because of that also. 

 

This election is the biggest in a lifetime considering what could happen if Johnson wins - so I'm asking is it worth it to keep someone who seems to have virtually no chance of winning out of some loyalty or whatever, or if it would be better to change now and give Labour a better chance?

She needs putting down. 

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, JohnnyH said:

I'm married to a Welsh woman who's family live in Wrexham, Cardiff and Liverpool.  They are all working class ex-British Forces (Welsh Fusiliers) and are to a man/woman convinced Corbyn supports the IRA.  They would vote for Hitler before him.  And while they have all said they'd never vote Tory, I'm fairly certain a few of them would to make sure Corbyn doesn't get in, this is their hate for the man. All their mates who are also ex-forces or partners/friends of ex-forces are all massively anti-Corbyn too and will not vote for Labour despite being Labour voters for decades because he's the leader. You can argue the merit of this (daft) policy that they have, but it's happening. 

 

It just seems to me that there is simply no chance of Labour winning with him as leader given the press propaganda against him too, so surely it's more important that Labour win with someone else as leader, as opposed to a "good performance" with Corbyn that still results in a Tory Government?

 

The biggest threat to not just the UK, but my country, and Europe, is a Johnson lead government for the next 5 years.  Surely everything must be done to prevent that?  And does that include getting rid of a Labour leader that's so divisive that even normal Labour voters won't touch him, such as my in-laws and their friends?

I'm surprised that any of them were Labour to start with as any service people I have known have all been right-wing politically , and with the recent comments from that general about a coup,  and squaddies having their wrists slapped for firing their weapons at a Corbyn picture , I am not sure he will make many inroads there anyway.

 

The odd thing is that although Trident is constantly brought up , Corbyn is pushing for conventional forces numbers to be increased whereas their Tory darlings have run them into the ground.

[Jenson]

Who the fuck is going to let Rachel Riley influence how they vote?

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Jenson said:

Who the fuck is going to let Rachel Riley influence how they vote?

Dimwitted cunts.

 

Which sadly are not in short supply.

[Tony Moanero]

19 minutes ago, Jenson said:

Who the fuck is going to let Rachel Riley influence how they vote?

Plenty of people hang off celebrities’ every word.

[Mudface]

42 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I'm surprised that any of them were Labour to start with as any service people I have known have all been right-wing politically , and with the recent comments from that general about a coup,  and squaddies having their wrists slapped for firing their weapons at a Corbyn picture , I am not sure he will make many inroads there anyway.

 

The odd thing is that although Trident is constantly brought up , Corbyn is pushing for conventional forces numbers to be increased whereas their Tory darlings have run them into the ground.

Plus he's rather less likely to send forces abroad in futile US-backed wars for oil.

[moof]

I think we should definitely return to the tepid politics of marginal gains centrism in order to attract Rachel Riley’s twitter followers. Fuck me

[JohnnyH]

23 minutes ago, Jenson said:

Who the fuck is going to let Rachel Riley influence how they vote?

 

Really?  I don't think you've been paying attention to the last few years if you don't think she, or her ilk, can influence a vote.

[Strontium]

She's just a useful scapegoat for when Corbyn doesn't win the election.

[JohnnyH]

48 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I'm surprised that any of them were Labour to start with as any service people I have known have all been right-wing politically , and with the recent comments from that general about a coup,  and squaddies having their wrists slapped for firing their weapons at a Corbyn picture , I am not sure he will make many inroads there anyway.

 

The odd thing is that although Trident is constantly brought up , Corbyn is pushing for conventional forces numbers to be increased whereas their Tory darlings have run them into the ground.

 

All fair comment. 

 

But the main crux of my point is that it seems Corbyn is a figure that is not drawing the party support together. It seems to me (from the outside looking in) that Labour has virtually no chance of success in a GE under him.  So why persist?  It seems some people support Corbyn above Labour almost?  Would it not be best served to have a leader people can't accuse of being an anti-Semite or racist (as preposterous as that sounds when levelled at Corbyn) and have one that generally people who hate the Tories can get behind?

[JohnnyH]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

She's just a useful scapegoat for when Corbyn doesn't win the election.

I don't think her power is that strong.  But she'll be one of many loud voices who could sway the vote.

[moof]

It’s not corbyn they hate. It’s the threat to their power. Anyone offering the platform Corbyn is offering will get the same treatment. Or worse. For all the bullshit spouted about him, he actually has a pretty damn clean record over the past 40 years of public service.
 

Find someone else with the substance, the politics, the voting record, the morals with fewer skeletons in the closet than Corbyn. You’ll be looking for a long fucking time. 

[SasaS]

3 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

 

Really?  I don't think you've been paying attention to the last few years if you don't think she, or her ilk, can influence a vote.

 

Absolutely. Look at For Britain and how Morrissey's support is doing wonders for them. Almost 500 votes in just two by-elections.