Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Itnis quite an achievement to completely ignore the impact of thatchers policies which resulted in 3m unemployed in this country and blame it all on the eu tbf.

Did anyone "blame it all on the eu" No they didn't, you made it up.  

 

The parallel being drawn was between Angrys ludicrous claim about the EU being good for jobs (when we have record vacancies) with a time of mass unemployment in previous years when we were in the EU, but I'm guessing you knew that, although I can't be sure.

[mattyq]

23 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

So Brexit is a completely anti racist concept and is attempt to benefit the lives of poor people from around the globe and not just europe?

Think it's pretty obvious that the likes of Francois, Rees Mogg, Steve Baker ad Andrew Bridgen are basically saints

One day there'll be a statue in the Thame Estuary very much like the Statue of Liberty "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses" etc

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

Are you being fucking serious here? You trolling?

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/14/uk-payrolls-covid-job-vacancies-hotels-pubs-restaurants-staff

 

Have you looked at the unemployment rates throughout europe, Spain, Italy, Greece?  Have a look, then watch an Alan Bleadsdale adaptation from when the UK was in the UK and family's were so utterly destitute they walked into the sea to put an end to their suffering.

 

 

You quoted an bleasdale doc which ,unless I'm mistaken ,was shown in the early 80s.

Your point was clearly an attempt to once again castigate the EU for the current employment figures yet the situation in the 80s was completely down to the monetrist policies of that evil cunt.

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, mattyq said:

Think it's pretty obvious that the likes of Francois, Rees Mogg, Steve Baker ad Andrew Bridgen are basically saints

One day there'll be a statue in the Thame Estuary very much like the Statue of Liberty "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses" etc

Yep those well known activists for the common man 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

You quoted an bleasdale doc which ,unless I'm mistaken ,was shown in the early 80s.

Your point was clearly an attempt to once again castigate the EU for the current employment figures yet the situation in the 80s was completely down to the monetrist policies of that evil cunt.

I did indeed quote a Bleadsdale doc, in that respect you are correct, a time of sky high unemployment, unlike today. Where you are not correct is your statement that I "blamed it all on the eu", I didn't, as I said above you made that bit up.

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I did indeed quote a Bleadsdale doc, in that respect you are correct, a time of sky high unemployment, unlike today. Where you are not correct is your statement that I "blamed it all on the eu", I didn't, as I said above you made that bit up.

But you are using the example as a stick to beat the eu ,when that whole situation was created by a euro sceptic right wing Tory party?

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

But you are using the example as a stick to beat the eu ,when that whole situation was created by a euro sceptic right wing Tory party?

No I was using the example to ridicule Angrys first statement that being in the EU is good for jobs.

 

Anyway I'm watching the darts.

[mattyq]

Of course, the EU didn't exist in the early 80s

The thing about having a points basd immigration system is nonsense because we could have had one when we were in the EU and we could have had far stricter rules on EU immigrants such as then having to leave if they weren't in gainful employment etc

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

Are you being fucking serious here? You trolling?

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/14/uk-payrolls-covid-job-vacancies-hotels-pubs-restaurants-staff

 

Have you looked at the unemployment rates throughout europe, Spain, Italy, Greece?  Have a look, then watch an Alan Bleadsdale adaptation from when the UK was in the UK and family's were so utterly destitute they walked into the sea to put an end to their suffering.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

1. Current GDP growth rates are basically meaningless, because of the different impacts of the pandemic. What nobody denies is that membership of the EU establishes better medium/long-term economic conditions. The relevant comparisons aren't "UK vs other countries" but "UK vs models of UK performance had we remained in the EU".

 

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[Gnasher]

11 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

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Well unemployment has gone down and vacancies have risen since our exit..

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/unemployment-rate?continent=europe

 

I dare not show you graphs of the eu's scandalous youth unemployment record.

[Gnasher]

The right wing claim.

 

(and not written on the side of a bus by a bunch of chancers)

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-shows

 

 

 

The left wing reality,

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/12/uk-job-vacancies-record-12m-brexit-covid-staff-shortages-unemployment

 

[No2]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well unemployment has gone down and vacancies have risen since our exit..

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/unemployment-rate?continent=europe

 

I dare not show you graphs of the eu's scandalous youth unemployment record.

I can't bring arsed arguing with you on stats but the EU starts recording youth unemployment 1 year earlier than the UK. That will account account a huge proportion of any difference. 

[skend04]

1 minute ago, No2 said:

I can't bring arsed arguing with you on stats but the EU starts recording youth unemployment 1 year earlier than the UK. That will account account a huge proportion of any difference. 

EU countries also include youths in full time education as being unemployed whereas I don't believe we do. Might be wrong but that's what I had previously read.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, skend04 said:

EU countries also include youths in full time education as being unemployed whereas I don't believe we do. Might be wrong but that's what I had previously read.

 

What about the overall? 

 

The figures on youth are indeed as you say squewed but Italy, Spain, Greece, France have all higher youth unemployment than us even with adjustments, in fairness Greece has an excuse as both the banks and European Union strangled the only socialist government in Europe at birth...

 

Speaking of socialists it was this country's greatest ever prime ministers birthday yesterday, if he, Bevan, Foot, Crow, Benn posted their views on Europe on this site they'd be welcomed by the hounds of fucking hell, theyd probably get banned, anyway happy belated birthday Clem, 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/never-mind-churchill-clement-attlee-is-a-model-for-these-times/amp

 

[Kepler-186]

Reads like a who’s who of top level cunts. 
 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Well unemployment has gone down and vacancies have risen since our exit..

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/unemployment-rate?continent=europe

 

I dare not show you graphs of the eu's scandalous youth unemployment record.

I'm talking about the climate, not the weather. Membership of the EU is good for the economy. There isn't a version of Brexit that doesn't reduce GDP in the medium/long term. Nobody denies that.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

The right wing claim.

 

(and not written on the side of a bus by a bunch of chancers)

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-shows

 

 

 

The left wing reality,

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/12/uk-job-vacancies-record-12m-brexit-covid-staff-shortages-unemployment

 

When did Covid become "left wing"?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Kepler-186 said:

Reads like a who’s who of top level cunts. 
 

 

Gnash reckons that Bob Crow and Nye Bevan would have been invited to that.

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Gnash reckons that Bob Crow and Nye Bevan would have been invited to that.

Hmm well look at the standing and calibre of the no mark journalists on that list I doubt if they'd even register with Britain's greatest ever prime minister and one of Britain's most successful trade union leaders.

 

Attlee and Crow shouldn't be named in the same breath as that rabble. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Nearly six years on from the Referendum and we're still waiting for a single benefit of Brexit - just one thing, however great or trivial, that could not have been achieved while still in the EU.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59868823.amp

 

[Pureblood]

Borrrrrrrrrring

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nearly six years on from the Referendum and we're still waiting for a single benefit of Brexit - just one thing, however great or trivial, that could not have been achieved while still in the EU.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59868823.amp

 

Do you live in a cave? Just because middle class tosspots are struggling to fill vacancies for piss poor money please don't fob that shit off on the rest of us. We are now living in a low unemployment, high vacancy climate because of brexit. Suck it.

[Gnasher]

On 04/01/2022 at 16:12, AngryOfTuebrook said:

When did Covid become "left wing"?

You're blatantly lying now and you know you are. To pretend that Brexit hasn't had an impact on staff shortages and subsequent wage rises shows you've lost the argument. You're clutching at straws, you're all over the place, denying reality in your futile defence of right wing capitalism. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

48 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Do you live in a cave? Just because middle class tosspots are struggling to fill vacancies for piss poor money please don't fob that shit off on the rest of us. We are now living in a low unemployment, high vacancy climate because of brexit. Suck it.

Interesting use of the word "climate".

 

As everyone who lives in the real world knows, we don't live in the sunlit uplands you've just described. There are currently a lot of unfilled vacancies, mostly due to Covid. Once the shitstorm of the pandemic has settled down, we will be worse off as a result of Brexit.