Little Englander element is our big problem now

[Nathanzx]

Hopefully with Hicks and Gillett on their way out we can concentrate on the other big problem at our club that has gone unnoticed for a while.

 

Danny Murphy came out with comments today about Liverpool having a lot of Spanish players and staff previously which was not what the club was about according to him.

 

It's no secret that Danny is mates with Carra and Stevie.

 

It's no secret that Carra and Stevie were not unhappy with Rafa's exit (it is open to debate how active they were in his removal, I'd suggest they were very active).

 

Neither of our so-called figureheads have mourned Rafa's demise and both have been quoted as saying they wanted an Englishman in charge. Both also are constantly going on about giving the local or English lads a chance like Darby, Spearing and Kelly (read their books).

 

Hopefully the new owners will do away with this most unliverpool-like and unsavoury of elements. I'd prefer to have 11 lads from different countries fighting as a united team than an English element at the core sneering at those who don't share in the bulldog spirit

 

The little Englander mentality is wrong for a number of reasons

 

- there is no reason to believe that just because a manager is English it will somehow mean he will be more effective (Roy already looks like disproving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, scratch that he is actually proving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, a big negative difference)

 

-there is no reason to select local or Liverpool lads just because they are local or from Liverpool. Most of these lads will never be good enough, maybe Kelly has a chance of the current bunch on the fringes, some of the younger kids look to have potential too but I couldn't care less if we had 11 players from Madagascar if we won the title

 

-I am worried that our figureheads are being too influenced by little Englander media sources like the Sun and Sky Sports which says British is best. Shankly built up the club on socialist principles, not an extreme right-wing Brit-first philosophy.

 

-Speculation here but since the Arbeloa v Carra clash it seems there may well be a divide between the English lads and the foreigners with a few good guy diplomats in the middle (Kuyt, Lucas and previously Alonso who knitted the Spanish-Anglo factions). Look at Stevie's equalizer at Sunderland, it seems he and Torres consciously avoided each other and since Rafa's demise there are rumours there is some discontent about the level of influence Carra and Stevie have. The Spanish element, it is rumoured, are a tad pissed off that the two local lads all but handpicked this guy and he isn't the genius they had been led to believe he was.

 

-It seems Roy has actively sought to end the policy of importing foreign youngsters and perhaps this policy was agreed upon after discussions with Purslow, Stevie G and Carra.

 

-Roy's long-term policy seems to be to Anglicise the team (with perhaps a few hard-working Scandinivians thrown in). He bought Konchesky, he bid for Crouch and Carlton Cole and of course he was eager to the point of obsession to get Joe Cole in. Meanwhile other targets like Van Der Vaart, Javi Martinez and Loic Remy were passed over.

 

I don't like how this ideology has spread through the club, first from the two senior players, then through to the manager and now influencing transfer decisions and dressing-room morale. What next? Roast-beef and yorkshire pudding on the menu every day, maybe a Union Jack flying over the stadium. I wish Stevie and Carra would shut the fcuk up and stop meddling in issues they have absolutely no right to meddle in. Their English drive so far has yielded us the wrong manager and players who aren't good enough. We are in the relegation zone and playing the worst football I've ever seen in my time supporting the club. But despite the hard evidence before my eyes and in the league table, Carra and Stevie and the likes of Danny Murphy and Stevie Bruce and Harry Redknapp tell us to be patient and that Roy is great and wonderful.

 

This is not the club I know, get rid of this little Englander thing before it sweeps through the whole club like a virus (if it hasn't already done so) driving away talented people from the club and creating divisions everywhere. This is a real problem at the club now and it needs to be dealt with before it's too late.

 

Therefore I hope the new owners do away with this most unsavoury and unLiverpool-like of elements. I'd prefer 11 guys from the far-flung corners of the club playing as a team, fighting for each other than have an English core to the team sneering at the foreign lads because they don't share in their mythical bulldog spirit.

Edited October 7, 2010 by Nathanzx

[manwiththestick]

So where does Raul and Brad Jones fit into this selection process seeing as they are both neither English or Scandanavian and take up half of Roy's transfers in?

[WrongIslander]

So where does Raul and Brad Jones fit into this selection process seeing as they are both neither English or Scandanavian and take up half of Roy's transfers in?

 

Poulsen also.

[Nathanzx]

So where does Raul and Brad Jones fit into this selection process seeing as they are both neither English or Scandanavian and take up half of Roy's transfers in?

 

I'm not saying Roy won't buy foreign players. One of the key reasons for that is the English players are out of our price range. Transfer targets is not the key issue, it's the perceived English bias in terms of manager selection, player selection and even tactics selection that is worrying and it will alientate the non-English guys.

[Cherry Ghost]

All premier league clubs are having to up their home grown contingent. New rules.

 

Merelies, Poulsen, Jones v Konchesky, Cole

[Il Fenomeno]

All premier league clubs are having to up their home grown contingent. New rules.

 

Stephen Darby is proof that this rule is dreadful, he could have a decent championship career, but now that we're keeping him just to up our numbers and make ourselves look good his career might stagnate further.

[manwiththestick]

Poulsen also.

 

Somehow I managed to forget about him. He's so slow he was the last one on my mind.

[Wor Horse]

Talk about making an issue out of nothing.... Jesus.. Some of our fans astound me.

[RedKnight]

Dunno about Little Englander but we've got a idiot problem with the OP leading the charge.

[Coro]

Pellegrini did a good job of marginalising the influence of Raul & Guti at Real Madrid.

[Nathanzx]

It is a problem and every interview I see in the media by any of our players or staff further confirms it for me....even down to Reina saying he has to get used to the new goalkeeping coach a few weeks ago.

 

You just have to read between the lines and see the body language of the players. There is clearly a problem there and it may take Reina or Torres leaving and coming clean about it before any of you sit up and take notice but trust me, this is a problem.

[RedKnight]

You're a problem. That's right I said it.

[Nathanzx]

You're a problem. That's right I said it.

 

I'm not going to get into an internet slagging match mate, it might be your thing but I'm not interested.

 

This is my opinion, you may think I'm wrong, that's fine but calling people an idiot or a problem, I think, says more about you than me.

[RedKnight]

It does, it says I think you have a problem with two of our most loyal players and therefore aren't the full shilling.

[Cherry Ghost]

And in the PL this season we've played 5 'British' players, in the same time City have played 7, United 9 and Spurs 10.

[Newport]

Where did Murphy make those comments? Clearly they are utter bollocks. If it's true he's clearly still bitter because Rafa didn't want him and signed a much better player instead. I have much respect for what he has done for the club against those manc cunts, but lately he comes across as a bit whingey.

[Guest PurpleNose]

Pellegrini did a good job of marginalising the influence of Raul & Guti at Real Madrid.

 

 

He'd do the same here.

 

Rightly or wrongly, I don't think he gives a fuck about reputations.

 

He got bored of Riquelme's moaning at Villarreal as well.

[njackets]

Hopefully with Hicks and Gillett on their way out we can concentrate on the other big problem at our club that has gone unnoticed for a while.

 

Danny Murphy came out with comments today about Liverpool having a lot of Spanish players and staff previously which was not what the club was about according to him.

 

It's no secret that Danny is mates with Carra and Stevie.

 

It's no secret that Carra and Stevie were not unhappy with Rafa's exit (it is open to debate how active they were in his removal, I'd suggest they were very active).

 

Neither of our so-called figureheads have mourned Rafa's demise and both have been quoted as saying they wanted an Englishman in charge. Both also are constantly going on about giving the local or English lads a chance like Darby, Spearing and Kelly (read their books).

 

Hopefully the new owners will do away with this most unliverpool-like and unsavoury of elements. I'd prefer to have 11 lads from different countries fighting as a united team than an English element at the core sneering at those who don't share in the bulldog spirit

 

The little Englander mentality is wrong for a number of reasons

 

- there is no reason to believe that just because a manager is English it will somehow mean he will be more effective (Roy already looks like disproving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, scratch that he is actually proving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, a big negative difference)

 

-there is no reason to select local or Liverpool lads just because they are local or from Liverpool. Most of these lads will never be good enough, maybe Kelly has a chance of the current bunch on the fringes, some of the younger kids look to have potential too but I couldn't care less if we had 11 players from Madagascar if we won the title

 

-I am worried that our figureheads are being too influenced by little Englander media sources like the Sun and Sky Sports which says British is best. Shankly built up the club on socialist principles, not an extreme right-wing Brit-first philosophy.

 

-Speculation here but since the Arbeloa v Carra clash it seems there may well be a divide between the English lads and the foreigners with a few good guy diplomats in the middle (Kuyt, Lucas and previously Alonso who knitted the Spanish-Anglo factions). Look at Stevie's equalizer at Sunderland, it seems he and Torres consciously avoided each other and since Rafa's demise there are rumours there is some discontent about the level of influence Carra and Stevie have. The Spanish element, it is rumoured, are a tad pissed off that the two local lads all but handpicked this guy and he isn't the genius they had been led to believe he was.

 

-It seems Roy has actively sought to end the policy of importing foreign youngsters and perhaps this policy was agreed upon after discussions with Purslow, Stevie G and Carra.

 

-Roy's long-term policy seems to be to Anglicise the team (with perhaps a few hard-working Scandinivians thrown in). He bought Konchesky, he bid for Crouch and Carlton Cole and of course he was eager to the point of obsession to get Joe Cole in. Meanwhile other targets like Van Der Vaart, Javi Martinez and Loic Remy were passed over.

 

I don't like how this ideology has spread through the club, first from the two senior players, then through to the manager and now influencing transfer decisions and dressing-room morale. What next? Roast-beef and yorkshire pudding on the menu every day, maybe a Union Jack flying over the stadium. I wish Stevie and Carra would shut the fcuk up and stop meddling in issues they have absolutely no right to meddle in. Their English drive so far has yielded us the wrong manager and players who aren't good enough. We are in the relegation zone and playing the worst football I've ever seen in my time supporting the club. But despite the hard evidence before my eyes and in the league table, Carra and Stevie and the likes of Danny Murphy and Stevie Bruce and Harry Redknapp tell us to be patient and that Roy is great and wonderful.

 

This is not the club I know, get rid of this little Englander thing before it sweeps through the whole club like a virus (if it hasn't already done so) driving away talented people from the club and creating divisions everywhere. This is a real problem at the club now and it needs to be dealt with before it's too late.

 

Therefore I hope the new owners do away with this most unsavoury and unLiverpool-like of elements. I'd prefer 11 guys from the far-flung corners of the club playing as a team, fighting for each other than have an English core to the team sneering at the foreign lads because they don't share in their mythical bulldog spirit.

 

I think you've touched on a few points I was thinking about last night, something about last season and the reported cliques within the squad. The lack of support for Rafa from Gerrard and Carra and form shown, some other things, there might just be something in all this thats been effecting the team. Just a load of guess work of course but all that shit form must boil down to something? It can't all be pinned on the owners much as i'd like!

[RedSoxFan]

Hopefully with Hicks and Gillett on their way out we can concentrate on the other big problem at our club that has gone unnoticed for a while.

 

Danny Murphy came out with comments today about Liverpool having a lot of Spanish players and staff previously which was not what the club was about according to him.

 

It's no secret that Danny is mates with Carra and Stevie.

 

It's no secret that Carra and Stevie were not unhappy with Rafa's exit (it is open to debate how active they were in his removal, I'd suggest they were very active).

 

Neither of our so-called figureheads have mourned Rafa's demise and both have been quoted as saying they wanted an Englishman in charge. Both also are constantly going on about giving the local or English lads a chance like Darby, Spearing and Kelly (read their books).

 

Hopefully the new owners will do away with this most unliverpool-like and unsavoury of elements. I'd prefer to have 11 lads from different countries fighting as a united team than an English element at the core sneering at those who don't share in the bulldog spirit

 

The little Englander mentality is wrong for a number of reasons

 

- there is no reason to believe that just because a manager is English it will somehow mean he will be more effective (Roy already looks like disproving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, scratch that he is actually proving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, a big negative difference)

 

-there is no reason to select local or Liverpool lads just because they are local or from Liverpool. Most of these lads will never be good enough, maybe Kelly has a chance of the current bunch on the fringes, some of the younger kids look to have potential too but I couldn't care less if we had 11 players from Madagascar if we won the title

 

-I am worried that our figureheads are being too influenced by little Englander media sources like the Sun and Sky Sports which says British is best. Shankly built up the club on socialist principles, not an extreme right-wing Brit-first philosophy.

 

-Speculation here but since the Arbeloa v Carra clash it seems there may well be a divide between the English lads and the foreigners with a few good guy diplomats in the middle (Kuyt, Lucas and previously Alonso who knitted the Spanish-Anglo factions). Look at Stevie's equalizer at Sunderland, it seems he and Torres consciously avoided each other and since Rafa's demise there are rumours there is some discontent about the level of influence Carra and Stevie have. The Spanish element, it is rumoured, are a tad pissed off that the two local lads all but handpicked this guy and he isn't the genius they had been led to believe he was.

 

-It seems Roy has actively sought to end the policy of importing foreign youngsters and perhaps this policy was agreed upon after discussions with Purslow, Stevie G and Carra.

 

-Roy's long-term policy seems to be to Anglicise the team (with perhaps a few hard-working Scandinivians thrown in). He bought Konchesky, he bid for Crouch and Carlton Cole and of course he was eager to the point of obsession to get Joe Cole in. Meanwhile other targets like Van Der Vaart, Javi Martinez and Loic Remy were passed over.

 

I don't like how this ideology has spread through the club, first from the two senior players, then through to the manager and now influencing transfer decisions and dressing-room morale. What next? Roast-beef and yorkshire pudding on the menu every day, maybe a Union Jack flying over the stadium. I wish Stevie and Carra would shut the fcuk up and stop meddling in issues they have absolutely no right to meddle in. Their English drive so far has yielded us the wrong manager and players who aren't good enough. We are in the relegation zone and playing the worst football I've ever seen in my time supporting the club. But despite the hard evidence before my eyes and in the league table, Carra and Stevie and the likes of Danny Murphy and Stevie Bruce and Harry Redknapp tell us to be patient and that Roy is great and wonderful.

 

This is not the club I know, get rid of this little Englander thing before it sweeps through the whole club like a virus (if it hasn't already done so) driving away talented people from the club and creating divisions everywhere. This is a real problem at the club now and it needs to be dealt with before it's too late.

 

Therefore I hope the new owners do away with this most unsavoury and unLiverpool-like of elements. I'd prefer 11 guys from the far-flung corners of the club playing as a team, fighting for each other than have an English core to the team sneering at the foreign lads because they don't share in their mythical bulldog spirit.

 

These are the kinds of things no one thinks about when you're winning.

 

When you're losing, all these odd theories pop up. Is it the manager? Is it a lack of Dutch "Monty Python" fans age 16-23 who came through the Fulham youth system?

 

Once the turmoil at the top is settled, things will start to go back to normal. Liverpool will start to win. And people won't think of things like this again.

[llego]

I broadly agree with you Nathan, but dont expect much love for your ideas on this forum.

[Hades]

I agree with this and it's pissing me off.

 

- Hansen coming out and saying we were a one man team (that one man, laughably, being Steven Gerrard). Did he even watch us last season? I lost respect for him ages ago but that line was bordering on slander and he should issue a public apology to Torres and Reina.

- Players forced to wear boarding school attire. Wtf is this shit? They're modern, elite footballers, not a bunch of posh schoolkids. Let them wear what they like. Gtfo with this authoritarian nonsense.

-The bullshit spin about Rafa's squad not being good enough to beat Blackpool or Northampton. Just wow.

[Guest the boy]

You're in the wrong place if you want a genuine discussion about the Little Englander element about the club.

[Lycan]

Hopefully with Hicks and Gillett on their way out we can concentrate on the other big problem at our club that has gone unnoticed for a while.

 

Danny Murphy came out with comments today about Liverpool having a lot of Spanish players and staff previously which was not what the club was about according to him.

 

It's no secret that Danny is mates with Carra and Stevie.

 

It's no secret that Carra and Stevie were not unhappy with Rafa's exit (it is open to debate how active they were in his removal, I'd suggest they were very active).

 

Neither of our so-called figureheads have mourned Rafa's demise and both have been quoted as saying they wanted an Englishman in charge. Both also are constantly going on about giving the local or English lads a chance like Darby, Spearing and Kelly (read their books).

 

Hopefully the new owners will do away with this most unliverpool-like and unsavoury of elements. I'd prefer to have 11 lads from different countries fighting as a united team than an English element at the core sneering at those who don't share in the bulldog spirit

 

The little Englander mentality is wrong for a number of reasons

 

- there is no reason to believe that just because a manager is English it will somehow mean he will be more effective (Roy already looks like disproving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, scratch that he is actually proving their theory that an Englishman in charge will make a difference, a big negative difference)

 

-there is no reason to select local or Liverpool lads just because they are local or from Liverpool. Most of these lads will never be good enough, maybe Kelly has a chance of the current bunch on the fringes, some of the younger kids look to have potential too but I couldn't care less if we had 11 players from Madagascar if we won the title

 

-I am worried that our figureheads are being too influenced by little Englander media sources like the Sun and Sky Sports which says British is best. Shankly built up the club on socialist principles, not an extreme right-wing Brit-first philosophy.

 

-Speculation here but since the Arbeloa v Carra clash it seems there may well be a divide between the English lads and the foreigners with a few good guy diplomats in the middle (Kuyt, Lucas and previously Alonso who knitted the Spanish-Anglo factions). Look at Stevie's equalizer at Sunderland, it seems he and Torres consciously avoided each other and since Rafa's demise there are rumours there is some discontent about the level of influence Carra and Stevie have. The Spanish element, it is rumoured, are a tad pissed off that the two local lads all but handpicked this guy and he isn't the genius they had been led to believe he was.

 

-It seems Roy has actively sought to end the policy of importing foreign youngsters and perhaps this policy was agreed upon after discussions with Purslow, Stevie G and Carra.

 

-Roy's long-term policy seems to be to Anglicise the team (with perhaps a few hard-working Scandinivians thrown in). He bought Konchesky, he bid for Crouch and Carlton Cole and of course he was eager to the point of obsession to get Joe Cole in. Meanwhile other targets like Van Der Vaart, Javi Martinez and Loic Remy were passed over.

 

I don't like how this ideology has spread through the club, first from the two senior players, then through to the manager and now influencing transfer decisions and dressing-room morale. What next? Roast-beef and yorkshire pudding on the menu every day, maybe a Union Jack flying over the stadium. I wish Stevie and Carra would shut the fcuk up and stop meddling in issues they have absolutely no right to meddle in. Their English drive so far has yielded us the wrong manager and players who aren't good enough. We are in the relegation zone and playing the worst football I've ever seen in my time supporting the club. But despite the hard evidence before my eyes and in the league table, Carra and Stevie and the likes of Danny Murphy and Stevie Bruce and Harry Redknapp tell us to be patient and that Roy is great and wonderful.

 

This is not the club I know, get rid of this little Englander thing before it sweeps through the whole club like a virus (if it hasn't already done so) driving away talented people from the club and creating divisions everywhere. This is a real problem at the club now and it needs to be dealt with before it's too late.

 

Therefore I hope the new owners do away with this most unsavoury and unLiverpool-like of elements. I'd prefer 11 guys from the far-flung corners of the club playing as a team, fighting for each other than have an English core to the team sneering at the foreign lads because they don't share in their mythical bulldog spirit.

 

Top post mate.

[Lycan]

It is a problem and every interview I see in the media by any of our players or staff further confirms it for me....even down to Reina saying he has to get used to the new goalkeeping coach a few weeks ago.

 

You just have to read between the lines and see the body language of the players. There is clearly a problem there and it may take Reina or Torres leaving and coming clean about it before any of you sit up and take notice but trust me, this is a problem.

 

I agree with you mate. Something is seriously wrong. It has been since Alonso walked out the door. Perhaps he was the one who was able to keep the peace between the two factions.

[Redder Lurtz]

Bloody hell.