Give it up, Hillary...

[Rashid]

I think Obama said what he said at the Friends of Isreal thing is the party line for Democrats and has been for years. Be interesting to see what he does once he is in power, remember he has promised to talk to friends and foes once he is in.

[rebel23]

Bush promised not to police the world or engage in nation building during the election of 2000, it didn't stop him invading Afghanistan and Iraq, these positions are worthless the fact that he's threatening Iran who are a weak country and offer no threat as their own CIA even admits (Obama would have seen those CIA briefings), the fact that he threatens them like Bush threatened Iraq is enough to make me question him and see him as the fraud he is

 

a lot of people will be disappointed, the US election is a warmongering socialist v. a warmongering fascist, sad state of affairs

[Stu Monty]

Rashid, if SD isn't telling the truth then this is the bit where you provide evidence of what you are saying. He hasn't provided any to back up his stance so actual evidence would be a better policy than some bizarre looking webpage.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Here's a bit of truth telling and straight shooting if that's how you like it: it seems to me as though you have low emotional intelligence. You obviously have a good IQ, but until you develop your emotional intelligence you will probably never be in as satisfying or senior a job as you likely believe you should occupy.

 

I don't believe I did have my ass handed to me on a plate at all. My initial comments were simplistic as I was trying to convey that McCain is a bit more to the left of much of the traditional Republican vote, while Obama was trying to position himself a bit more to the right of the traditional (and almost unelectable, much like old Labour) Democratic vote.

 

I know from first hand experience what it was like to live under Senator McCain, and I know what many Republicans thought of some of his policies, particularly immigration. To have someone so trenchant in their views as you say to me 'you are wrong' illustrates, in my view, the low emotional intelligence I mentioned above. Instead of hammering back at that, I said that it might be better for you to say 'My view is this...', as one educates while the other causes resentment. Instead of taking the gentle chiding on board, you come right back again by making out that your plain talking is a virtue. Then further to that, you take it another step by saying you have handed my ass to me on a plate.

 

You can be as right as you like in your own mind, but unfortunately I think you lack emotional intelligence, such that the way you deal with people hinders you. But hey, that's me that is. Straight talker an all.

 

As for the religious aspect (and I did preface this part of my post by saying it was a bit of a cheap dig, since this isn't about religion), it is worth pointing out that the man who is now to contest the most powerful office in the world - a man presumably admired by you and others - has a deeply held religious faith.

 

It is not recent, as your post above states. Nor is it political expedience, as you so conveniently assert. It is a faith that has been held for at least 20+ years, not some fly-by-night vote grabbing strategy. I was being a bit provocative with my comment that you must be apoplectic, but at some point, all the talk of religious people believing in sky fairies and being somewhat less credible than others begins to look weak.

 

I will likely regret some aspects of this post when I come back to it later, particularly the thing about emotional intelligence (and I'm using that term loosely, lest you come back with a wikipedia link on what it strictly means).

As things stand I'm in the heat of the moment composing this, and I am 100%convinced that this is a problem for you. You are academic and have good ideas and thoughts. I'm often challenged in interaction with you on here.

 

But...

 

You have a propensity to rub people up the wrong way with a certain arrogance in how you put your views across. I don't know you in the real world, but I do know that on a couple of occasions you have commented about how, for example, your income is low (I can't be bothered digging posts out, but you've said this sort of thing once or twice when people have been talking about jobs and salaries).

 

Since straight talking is so virtuous, I will end as I began. It seems to me as though you have low emotional intelligence. You tend to rub people up the wrong way. You will probably struggle to get as senior or satisfying a job as your intellect might demand until you address it.

 

As for moving this further into the realm of interpersonal relationships, I hope you deal with people in person more adequately than on here.

 

As for the next step, I'm off to play golf at Collingtree Park now, but I'll check back in later. I am making a serious point though about how I perceive you.

 

A fantastic post there G.

 

Constructed very well, just how I like it.

[Rashid]

Rashid, if SD isn't telling the truth then this is the bit where you provide evidence of what you are saying. He hasn't provided any to back up his stance so actual evidence would be a better policy than some bizarre looking webpage.

 

Much of these debates are unprovable though Stu. We end up in a fight over what Obama thought of religion 20 years ago.. etc...

[Chris]

I can't read what the cunt is saying, but please don't let Rashid ruin this thread, it's one of the few he hasn't contaminated.

[Chris]

Just telling you what I've read.

Suggest you check it out before calling me an idiot.

Don't like making people look like prize pricks but oxygen thieves like you try my patience.

 

All you've contributed to this thread is a bunch of hokey conspiracy theories about assassination. You sound like Senator Clinton.

[Chris]

Chris I know you shot him down but the Acolyte speaks some sense my man.

 

How, dude? By buying into every single American conspiracy theory that was ever concocted? How is it helpful to buy into the theory that Obama will be "riddled with bullets"? That kind of view is predicated one fear. If that's the case he shouldn't stand in the first place, and democracy dies. There's no way he'll be assassinated as a result of government intervention. It won't happen. The nation would fall into anarchy. The American Dream no longer exists.

 

The republicans will pull out every stop, but they wouldn't dare go that far. If he gets assassinated by a madman, then I guess that's possible, but we can't go down that route at all. Why even think that way? Trying to prove a know all-know nothing point which essentially says "why bother he'll get killed anyway" Fuck that. Yes We Can!

[Kopite]

Here's a bit of truth telling and straight shooting if that's how you like it: it seems to me as though you have low emotional intelligence. You obviously have a good IQ, but until you develop your emotional intelligence you will probably never be in as satisfying or senior a job as you likely believe you should occupy.

 

I don't believe I did have my ass handed to me on a plate at all. My initial comments were simplistic as I was trying to convey that McCain is a bit more to the left of much of the traditional Republican vote, while Obama was trying to position himself a bit more to the right of the traditional (and almost unelectable, much like old Labour) Democratic vote.

 

I know from first hand experience what it was like to live under Senator McCain, and I know what many Republicans thought of some of his policies, particularly immigration. To have someone so trenchant in their views as you say to me 'you are wrong' illustrates, in my view, the low emotional intelligence I mentioned above. Instead of hammering back at that, I said that it might be better for you to say 'My view is this...', as one educates while the other causes resentment. Instead of taking the gentle chiding on board, you come right back again by making out that your plain talking is a virtue. Then further to that, you take it another step by saying you have handed my ass to me on a plate.

 

You can be as right as you like in your own mind, but unfortunately I think you lack emotional intelligence, such that the way you deal with people hinders you. But hey, that's me that is. Straight talker an all.

 

As for the religious aspect (and I did preface this part of my post by saying it was a bit of a cheap dig, since this isn't about religion), it is worth pointing out that the man who is now to contest the most powerful office in the world - a man presumably admired by you and others - has a deeply held religious faith.

 

It is not recent, as your post above states. Nor is it political expedience, as you so conveniently assert. It is a faith that has been held for at least 20+ years, not some fly-by-night vote grabbing strategy. I was being a bit provocative with my comment that you must be apoplectic, but at some point, all the talk of religious people believing in sky fairies and being somewhat less credible than others begins to look weak.

 

I will likely regret some aspects of this post when I come back to it later, particularly the thing about emotional intelligence (and I'm using that term loosely, lest you come back with a wikipedia link on what it strictly means).

As things stand I'm in the heat of the moment composing this, and I am 100%convinced that this is a problem for you. You are academic and have good ideas and thoughts. I'm often challenged in interaction with you on here.

 

But...

 

You have a propensity to rub people up the wrong way with a certain arrogance in how you put your views across. I don't know you in the real world, but I do know that on a couple of occasions you have commented about how, for example, your income is low (I can't be bothered digging posts out, but you've said this sort of thing once or twice when people have been talking about jobs and salaries).

 

Since straight talking is so virtuous, I will end as I began. It seems to me as though you have low emotional intelligence. You tend to rub people up the wrong way. You will probably struggle to get as senior or satisfying a job as your intellect might demand until you address it.

 

As for moving this further into the realm of interpersonal relationships, I hope you deal with people in person more adequately than on here.

 

As for the next step, I'm off to play golf at Collingtree Park now, but I'll check back in later. I am making a serious point though about how I perceive you.

 

Excellent post Rev.

 

I concur with Section - Rev and Neil for President (and VP)!!!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

For fuck's sake, Clinton, get a fucking move on!

 

I told me missus that she could watch the concession speech and then we'd have the footie on. Fucking loser hasn't even made it to the hall yet and she should've started 25 minutes ago.

 

Good job the tardy twat isn't going to be President, if this is what it'd be like.

[Chris]

Thanks Hillary.

[Newport]

What a fucking two faced self righteous cunt she is. Two weeks ago she talked about going on well into June because RFK was assasinated at this time, now she's up there talking about how far african Americans have come. If there ever was someone who personified the word politician she is that person.

[Chris]

What a fucking two faced self righteous cunt she is. Two weeks ago she talked about going on well into June because RFK was assasinated at this time, now she's up there talking about how far african Americans have come. If there ever was someone who personified the word politician she is that person.

 

It needed to be said.

[BENIRL]

Let the real battle commence. Good luck Obama you only think you had it tough!

[Stu Monty]

How, dude? By buying into every single American conspiracy theory that was ever concocted? How is it helpful to buy into the theory that Obama will be "riddled with bullets"? That kind of view is predicated one fear. If that's the case he shouldn't stand in the first place, and democracy dies. There's no way he'll be assassinated as a result of government intervention. It won't happen. The nation would fall into anarchy. The American Dream no longer exists.

 

The republicans will pull out every stop, but they wouldn't dare go that far. If he gets assassinated by a madman, then I guess that's possible, but we can't go down that route at all. Why even think that way? Trying to prove a know all-know nothing point which essentially says "why bother he'll get killed anyway" Fuck that. Yes We Can!

 

Chris, that's some seriously naive shit mate. The idea that a politician wouldn't be bumped by the CIA or that the nation would fall into anarchy are pretty far from reality. There's some big guns been brought down in the past without anarchy and there'll be a few more that go down in the future.

 

We'll see how much of a thirst for democracy the new man in has when gets in the seat by how many special forces men he decides to keep down in Mexico hunting the deomocracy searching Zapatistas.

[Chris]

Chris, that's some seriously naive shit mate. The idea that a politician wouldn't be bumped by the CIA or that the nation would fall into anarchy are pretty far from reality. There's some big guns been brought down in the past without anarchy and there'll be a few more that go down in the future.

 

We'll see how much of a thirst for democracy the new man in has when gets in the seat by how many special forces men he decides to keep down in Mexico hunting the deomocracy searching Zapatistas.

 

What's Naomi Klein got to say on it, Stu? Surely that's gotta be an influence on your decision? Your thirst to appear the most intelligent person on here is fucking tiresome in the extreme. You read the guardian. Good for you.

[Stu Monty]

What's Naomi Klein got to say on it, Stu? Surely that's gotta be an influence on your decision? Your thirst to appear the most intelligent person on here is fucking tiresome in the extreme. You read the guardian. Good for you.

 

So weak.

 

I've replied to your PM. Not getting into it on here.

[Chris]

So weak.

 

I've replied to your PM. Not getting into it on here.

 

You make me fucking sick sometimes.

[WaltonRed]

I got negged for saying the acolyte speaks 'some' sense!

 

Gutted!

[The Acolyte]

I got negged for saying the acolyte speaks 'some' sense!

 

Gutted!

 

No worries.

Some people want to think what they see and hear on Sky News is gospel.

Thinking for themselves just doesn't come into it. Its not just the US that does shady shit.

We'll never hear of half the shit that was done during the troubles (and continued troubles) in Northern Ireland.