Man City - the new bitters?

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

I see the fat cunt has thrown his hat into the ring saying FFP is there to protect Liverpool & Manchester United. 

 

And he'd be correct too. And it's there to protect City. FFP is there to protect all clubs from irresponsible owners who wish to spend money that outstrips credible income streams and can survive when dick swinging owners when they get board and pull their financial support. Of course he probably means it's there to protect our status, while that is more a symptom than the cause of ffp. 

 

59 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Do you see Juventus as cheats?

I'm not even 1% interested in Italian football. My view is their entire system has always been corrupt and has zero sporting integrity. Singling out one team feels a bit like trying to distinguish which Tory is the biggest cunt. 

[razor]

Laws are laws, but interpretation of them, and resultant consequences always leave wriggle room.

 

So the Premier League have got some big decisions to make if and when they find the club guilty of at least SOME of the charges.  Which ones they find conclusively and which ones they don't declare conclusive will be an indicator of which way they go.

 

At all times in the back of their minds will be litigation, counter-suits etc.

 

To strip City of past titles will mean expunging probably the greatest single moment of the Premier League.  That Aguero moment has been on permanent rotation for 10 years or whatever it is, and the drama of that moment will no doubt be claimed as one of the strongest selling points of their product.

 

We are like Mohammad Ali.  We will always be the greatest.  Man Utd are like Mike Tyson, few credible challengers, and everything swatted aside for a sustained period.  City are like Anthony Joshua, a flash, sellable product.  Arguably. one that the sport needs to reach a global audience.  Would boxing back or turn against one of its strongest assets?

 

The other direction is one which people of integrity would want to see and that is fulfillment of the old adage that cheats don't prosper.

 

People hoping for that are ignoring the huge corruption of sport by money.  It is everywhere.  

 

Cash corrupts everything.

 

So my best guess is that City will get a fine and some sort of negotiated ban.  There will be no retrospective punishment of stripping them of titles.

 

Pity.  It could have been the moment football redeems itself.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Imagine us going into last years champions league final with a domestic treble these sportwashing cunts have fucked us over and others big time.

[Poor Scouser T]

I know they are guilty. You know they are guilty. 99% of the football world knows they are guilty. FFS my gran knows they are guilty and she's been dead 10 years. Now go and prove it and fucking hammer them. Shit or get off the pan.

I'll be done with this if they get away with this. OK no one will give a shit about me but it is indicative of the depth this sport has sunk. Think pro cycling only x10. 

[Poor Scouser T]

Does anyone know who decides on the punishment? The panel will decide guilt or innocence but I would imagine these are not football people and do not have an idea of the full consequences of any punishment. They may I guess make recommendations or emphasise the seriousness of the verdict but on the face of it I would imagine the PL decides on fate. That's like your accuser determining your sentence. Bit of a weird one. I don't know.

[TD_LFC]

19 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Imagine us going into last years champions league final with a domestic treble these sportwashing cunts have fucked us over and others big time.

We'd have lost to Madrid but felt a bit better about it?

[Bobby Hundreds]

8 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

We'd have lost to Madrid but felt a bit better about it?

A million times better

[Section_31]

Love the way they market themselves as some kind of whiley disruptors who're constantly on the outside because Old money doesn't like them spoiling their fun, like they've used moneyball and groundbreaking tactics to earn their way to the top, when in fact all they've done I spend a quarter of a billion English pounds on fullbacks thanks to investments from Acme sports associates in the Isle of Man.

[DJLJ]

1 hour ago, Poor Scouser T said:

I know they are guilty. You know they are guilty. 99% of the football world knows they are guilty. FFS my gran knows they are guilty and she's been dead 10 years. Now go and prove it and fucking hammer them. Shit or get off the pan.

I'll be done with this if they get away with this. OK no one will give a shit about me but it is indicative of the depth this sport has sunk. Think pro cycling only x10. 

They have already been found guilty of it, just not all of it. That they got off with a fine is just because of the time bar, nothing else. They will get absolutely hammered by the guilty part. The sentence will be the interesting part to look for. How heavily will they be punished for this. 

[Barrington Womble]

9 minutes ago, DJLJ said:

They have already been found guilty of it, just not all of it. That they got off with a fine is just because of the time bar, nothing else. They will get absolutely hammered by the guilty part. The sentence will be the interesting part to look for. How heavily will they be punished for this. 

What have they been found guilty of? You mean by uefa? If that's the case, CAS overturned everything aside from City's lack of cooperation. The fact it was time barred doesn't matter (iirc CAS said time bar and lack of evidence that sponsors cooperated with city in a fraud), they were still not guilty. So right now, officially they've not done much wrong except being obstructive. It's down to the independent panel to decide if they are guilty of the premier league charges. 

[ZonkoVille77]

I could be wrong but I feel like this is bothering Poor Scouser T. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scott_M]

I wonder if 8xBet will get a mention in any hearings. 
 

Still only 107 Twitter followers for the company…

[an tha]

Not that it will get resolved this season and not that i think they will get punished anyway, but loads of media talk about a points deduction this season.

 

They can fuck that idea off (appreciate it is just media waffle mind) effectively handing Arsenal a league title without righting other seasons is not on IMHO.

[aws]

This will rumble on for months/years before any punishment actually gets imposed. 

[ZonkoVille77]

1 hour ago, aws said:

This will rumble on for months/years before any punishment actually gets imposed. 

 

Exactly. A lot of people can be bought off in that time too.

[Ronnie Whelan]

I don't think they walk out of this unscathed.

 

They have essentially robbed us and the Mancs of six titles. Two of the biggest clubs in the world. If they win the league this year, they could finish ahead of the third biggest club in the country in Arsenal, so add them to the list. Teams robbed of top 4 will smell blood. Teams relegated will smell blood. This year it's highly likely a very big club like Leeds or the Blueshite go down as third bottom club. They will be arguing City get relegated instead. This isn't a simple "these cunts are better than the Scousers (or United)" scenario. This impacts a lot of clubs and big ones at that.

 

This won't get resolved quickly but they are in a big spot of bother. The only light for them is that they have such links with the government, so that will soften their landing.

 

It won't be solved this season but it will get nasty in the coming months.

 

My hope is they do ultimately get relegated and hopefully all the way down. Bellingham ain't going there unless they are stable and they won't be in the summer.

 

[dockers_strike]

7 hours ago, Megadrive Person said:

 

 

https://archive.is/2023.02.07-185105/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/yes-manchester-city-broke-the-rule-but-the-rules-protect-the-old-elite-ftr25q2lp

 

He talks utter drivel. Happy to say I made a number of complaints about his inaccurate opinions when he was writing for the Wail.

 

Oh yes, he claims FFP is to protect the established elite blah, blah, blah. Yeah that would be Liverpool winning the title for the first time in 30 years and arsenal, the first time in 19 years if they do win it this season! He was also mouthing off about how 'great' it would be if arsenal pipped city to the title this year.

 

He cant seem to make his mind up whether he wants an old 'elite' club win the title or corrupt city do so.

[dockers_strike]

2 hours ago, aws said:

This will rumble on for months/years before any punishment actually gets imposed. 

 

One sports lawyer is predicting 4 years!!

 

34 minutes ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

I don't think they walk out of this unscathed.

 

They have essentially robbed us and the Mancs of six titles. Two of the biggest clubs in the world. If they win the league this year, they could finish ahead of the third biggest club in the country in Arsenal, so add them to the list. Teams robbed of top 4 will smell blood. Teams relegated will smell blood. This year it's highly likely a very big club like Leeds or the Blueshite go down as third bottom club. They will be arguing City get relegated instead. This isn't a simple "these cunts are better than the Scousers (or United)" scenario. This impacts a lot of clubs and big ones at that.

 

This won't get resolved quickly but they are in a big spot of bother. The only light for them is that they have such links with the government, so that will soften their landing.

 

It won't be solved this season but it will get nasty in the coming months.

 

My hope is they do ultimately get relegated and hopefully all the way down. Bellingham ain't going there unless they are stable and they won't be in the summer.

 

 

Agree with your sentiments Ronnie but what's the point relegating them? At best, they'd be relegated to the Championship. It's open to the EFL accepting them but if they did, they'd only be out of the PL for 1 season as no club in that league is stopping them get automatic promotion. Relegating them to League 1 or 2? Never going to happen.

 

They need PL titles taking off them. The PL commission is powerless to strips them of FA and EFL Cups because they arent the PL's jurisdiction. Next they PL needs to impose proper financial restrictions on all clubs especially on owner related sponsorship deals.

 

The PL should be embarassed no one has picked up city having a higher turnover than Real. It's beyond a joke.

 

And then the PL let Boehly spend more money this last window than that combined for Serie A, Ligue Un and the Bundesliga, possibly La Liga as well for replacing the Russian gangster!

[Bjornebye]

They will have investigators into every single thing any other PL side has done so they can use it as a "Look, if you nation us we will expose this and bring the whole thing down". 

 

I hope to god the premier league has got balls and fucking destroys then and this whole being bought out by super rich to propel you to the top bullshit. I don't want any past stuff handed to us, not a thing. I do however want some semblance of fairness to return to football. that's not saying clubs can't spend money but fucking lottery winners have to be regulated. Newcastle can easily surpass City in 10/15 years the way things have stood recently. Fucking Newcastle. City were in League 1 about 20 years ago for fuck sake. Fuck them off back there. Oh and Guardiola is a shitbag. 

[mike23]

Relegation would probably result in virtually all of their players leaving and necessitate a complete rebuild. Some of Juventus's best players such as Buffon did actually stick with them after relegation and help them to come back up and rebuild. That's not going to happen at City as none of their players are going to have any sense of affiliation with the club. Their agents would probably be ringing around looking for new clubs within seconds of the relegation announcement. City would be under a lot of scrutiny in terms of future spending too, so even if they bounced straight back it would be very difficult for them to re-establish themself at the top of the premier league.  

[Evelyn Tentions]

It obviously never occurred to Fraudiola that multi million sponsorships from the equivalent of a doner kebab street stall in Abu Dhabi was anything but on the level.

[Harry Squatter]

Here's Samuel's take on it. He obviously posts on GOT as well.

 

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, Harry Squatter said:

Here's Samuel's take on it. He obviously posts on GOT as well.

 

GoT might take a different view if they thought for a second city could be relegated this season! 

[Pete]

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Yes they broke the rules

Well there you go then you fat sack of shit.  Doesn't really matter who these rules protect, they were broken as you have clearly admitted.   

[Bobby Hundreds]

So it's okay to break the rules if you don't agree with them.

 

The old elite fucking earned their status. Sure FFP can be leaner on clubs who earn less but its meant to protect those clubs from going bust trying to keep up with oil state and oligarch inflation. Samuel's is a propaganda mouthpiece. 

 

Fucking hell liverpool FC is elitist but the Royal Saudi family are just your common man trying to get by.