Grenfall Tower Fire

[Anubis]

Everybody out safely, and the blaze contained, reportedly.

[Jay86]

Did I hear right on the radio earlier only 71 deaths?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Did I hear right on the radio earlier only 71 deaths?

 

That is the final figure of deaths given by the Met. Although in the same paragraph they go on to say 'we believe all those who died in the blaze have been accounted for', which doesn't mean they are sure themselves. Huge difference between 'Believe' and 'have' in such things. 

[Captain Turdseye]

I would like to declare my interest in the free holiday. If you can PM me the available dates that will be great.

[Strontium]

Did I hear right on the radio earlier only 71 deaths?

The word "only" hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances. But, yes, the conspiracy theorists were wrong again, imagine that.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

The word "only" hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances. But, yes, the conspiracy theorists were wrong again, imagine that.

 

Yes ONLY. Not conspiracy theories.

 

Was 80 presumed dead and was due to rise.

 

Bullshit figures. Do the maths...

 

120 flats. 71 dead + 255 survivors = 326. That makes 2.71 people per flat.

 

The Camden high rise that was evacuated a few weeks after Grenfell had an average of over 6 people per flat.

 

I've visited crammed flats where people live in due to greedy landlords (who know they are going to get guaranteed rent via council benefits) and people desperate for accomodation as part of a job I had in the past and this was over 5 years ago. The Camden figures are more believable.

[Pureblood]

If there's no official death toll then surely speculation either way is unhelpful.

[magicrat]

The word "only" hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances. But, yes, the conspiracy theorists were wrong again, imagine that.

 

I still don't believe it and I am usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories,  I have heard and read the testament of many of the eye witnesses and don't believe they are all exaggerating the numbers . Gagging orders on fire officers I believe and the government were absolutely desperate to wrap the whole thing up in a public enquiry where they could control the terms of reference and the distribution of the findings, The facts should have been left to the Coroner(s) to determine, Anyone connected to Liverpool knows what happens when public enquiries take control of the agenda, In about 20 years time we might get the truth an by which time this corrupt government will be long gone and no longer accountable . It stinks 

[Rico1304]

I still don't believe it and I am usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories,  I have heard and read the testament of many of the eye witnesses and don't believe they are all exaggerating the numbers . Gagging orders on fire officers I believe and the government were absolutely desperate to wrap the whole thing up in a public enquiry where they could control the terms of reference and the distribution of the findings, The facts should have been left to the Coroner(s) to determine, Anyone connected to Liverpool knows what happens when public enquiries take control of the agenda, In about 20 years time we might get the truth an by which time this corrupt government will be long gone and no longer accountable . It stinks

 

Lots of the eye witness reports were found to be mistaken- like people jumping to their deaths. Also seems people were reported missing more than once, one bloke 43 times. The CCTV seems to be the key, they counted them in and out again. Then you’ve got the people who lied muddying the waters intentionally.

 

It seems a bit of a kick in the teeth to the fire brigade to suggest they were complicit in a cover up.

[Bjornebye]

The word "only" hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances. But, yes, the conspiracy theorists were wrong again, imagine that.

 

 

Shows remote for the dead then immediately uses them to make a point to satisfy his warped agendas. 

 

You should go into politics. 

[magicrat]

Lots of the eye witness reports were found to be mistaken- like people jumping to their deaths. Also seems people were reported missing more than once, one bloke 43 times. The CCTV seems to be the key, they counted them in and out again. Then you’ve got the people who lied muddying the waters intentionally.

 

It seems a bit of a kick in the teeth to the fire brigade to suggest they were complicit in a cover up.

 

I am not for a moment suggesting the fire brigade were complicit but there is enough out there to suggest there were heavily leaned upon. 

[Strontium]

Shows remote for the dead then immediately uses them to make a point to satisfy his warped agendas.

 

You should go into politics.

Who will stop my warped agenda of establishing the truth of things...

[Bjornebye]

Who will stop my warped agenda of establishing the truth of things...

 

 

You manage it quite yourself well to be fair 

[Strontium]

You manage it quite yourself well to be fair

 

Find a single lie, I'll leave the forum forever.

 

Good hunting.

[Bjornebye]

Find a single lie, I'll leave the forum forever.

 

Good hunting.

 

 

No problems. 

[Bjornebye]

Find a single lie, I'll leave the forum forever.

 

 

 

Here you go mate. Bon voyage. 

[Jairzinho]

Ha

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Here you go mate. Bon voyage. 

 

I very nearly spat my coffee out. 

[Strontium]

Circular logic. An improvement on your usual lack of any logic. We'll have you communicating above the level of a gorilla yet.

[Rico1304]

I tell what was sobering, tonight on the R4 news they read out all the victims names. 71 names takes a long time, it’s easy to forget they are individuals when the number is so high.

[Strontium]

I tell what was sobering, tonight on the R4 news they read out all the victims names. 71 names takes a long time, it’s easy to forget they are individuals when the number is so high.

 

Profiles on most of the victims here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40457212

 

You hope lessons are learned from this, otherwise it will happen again.

[moof]

Here you go mate. Bon voyage.

Superb.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

I still don't believe it and I am usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories,  I have heard and read the testament of many of the eye witnesses and don't believe they are all exaggerating the numbers . Gagging orders on fire officers I believe and the government were absolutely desperate to wrap the whole thing up in a public enquiry where they could control the terms of reference and the distribution of the findings, The facts should have been left to the Coroner(s) to determine, Anyone connected to Liverpool knows what happens when public enquiries take control of the agenda, In about 20 years time we might get the truth an by which time this corrupt government will be long gone and no longer accountable . It stinks 

 

The police are the only ones with the powers to obtain and request records from mobile phone, utility and broadband/TV suppliers (in addition to HMRC, electoral roll etc which most people will be on) in terms of residents registered at Grenfell. That means the 71 dead figure will never change.

[Jay86]

The word "only" hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances. But, yes, the conspiracy theorists were wrong again, imagine that.

I say only because I was expecting hundreds.

[Strontium]

I say only because I was expecting hundreds.

Sure, I didn't mean it to sound like a criticism.