Keir Starmer

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I live in the North East and it’s ground zero here now. It’s not about a person or a policy, their name is just toxic. Working class people hate the party.

What are the reasons for that?

[Chairman Meow]

9 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I don’t think people realise how despised the Labour Party is now. I live in the North East and it’s ground zero here now. It’s not about a person or a policy, their name is just toxic. Working class people hate the party.

 

Basically, what you have seen in Scotland is drifting South and the fucking idiots in charge are just ignoring it.

Maybe down your way, but around me (Southern Northumberland/North Tyneside) there is still a bit of a Labour stranglehold in most spots. Although it's definitely on the wane. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What are the reasons for that?

 

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Did you see the other names on that Betfair list? Shitting Jesus!

Wheres Corbs? 

[Gnasher]

Figures not good when looked at face value, not good at all,

 

 

[Brownie]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What are the reasons for that?

I don’t know. I suspect that whatever the answer to that question is in Scotland, will apply here too.

[Gnasher]

22 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What are the reasons for that?

Eu lovers like you?

 

No seriously Labour has lost the working class through their perceived support of gangsters, free enterprise merchants and rich moneymakers like those who fly cheap Labour into Britain on a plane. The labour party are no longer seen as the protective arm against the people like below who have flooded almost every town in Britain, gangmasters who pay no tax, abide by no laws and have little regard to the people of the towns in which they operate. Scumbags of the most odious kind. 

 

The Labour elite are a million miles away from understanding the perils and fears of the working class voters they used to represent. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-56988881

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

 

 

[Anubis]

2 hours ago, scottthecanuck said:

From Guardian's coverage 

 

"Labour’s candidate Williams rushed out of the election count by the back door and was whisked off in a red Ford Fiesta."

 

LOL jeezus what a strange observation.

Given their penchant for hanging things they don't like, you can understand this.

 

EDIT: Gnasher beat me to it.

[Bruce Spanner]

'People in Hartlepool regard this as a done deal. It’s behind them. Yes, they gave their votes in many cases to the man who they think delivered Brexit for them - that was Boris Johnson. But they weren’t seeking to reopen that issue and they weren’t laying it at the doorstep of the Labour candidate.

 

Having said that, I would acknowledge this, and I think it is a broader and frankly more interesting point, that Brexit attitudes - the sort of cultural or social values or outlook that we associate with Brexit, rather than the issue itself - [are] still present in voters in Hartlepool, and elsewhere in northern England. And that’s something the Labour party has got to understand and to come to terms with.

 

In a sense it’s Brexit values, or a cultural set of attitudes, that have overlain the economic interests, or the class identity, that people have in a constituency like Hartlepool. And the Labour party is not making that cultural connection with those people.

 

And it’s not about whether or not we’re in the European Union. It’s about broader social attitudes and a broader cultural outlook that people have, which the Labour party has got to understand and connect with once again if we’re going to stand any chance of winning back the support and votes of those people.'

 

Mandelson 2021.

[Anubis]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

Not good, really, is it. 

[Carvalho Diablo]

45 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I don’t think people realise how despised the Labour Party is now. I live in the North East and it’s ground zero here now. It’s not about a person or a policy, their name is just toxic. Working class people hate the party.

 

Basically, what you have seen in Scotland is drifting South and the fucking idiots in charge are just ignoring it.

This. 100% this.

[Anubis]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

No Jess Phillips? Disgraceful....

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Not good, really, is it. 

 

 

He's backed it, but not signed this individual letter is the case, isn't it?

 

Methinks this is muckraking as the person most alligned with Starmer for Unite is looking the most likely to succeed Big Len when he shuffles off.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Eu lovers like you?

 

No seriously Labour has lost the working class through their perceived support of gangsters, free enterprise merchants and rich moneymakers like those who fly cheap Labour into Britain on a plane. The labour party are no longer seen as the protective arm against the people like below who have flooded almost every town in Britain, gangmasters who pay no tax, abide by no laws and have little regard to the people of the towns in which they operate. Scumbags of the most odious kind. 

 

The Labour elite are a million miles away from understanding the perils and fears of the working class voters they used to represent. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-56988881

I know your take on it (and I know it doesn't match my experience); I was wondering what vibes Brownie is getting in the North East. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

31 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

 

That's a relief. 

 

I don't know much about Beckett, but he's got a whiff of the McCluskeys about him, so I'm not inclined to automatically trust him.

[Carvalho Diablo]

16 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

16 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

'People in Hartlepool regard this as a done deal. It’s behind them. Yes, they gave their votes in many cases to the man who they think delivered Brexit for them - that was Boris Johnson. But they weren’t seeking to reopen that issue and they weren’t laying it at the doorstep of the Labour candidate.

 

 

This is very very wrong. Many detested the Labour candidate and the party itself because they were seen as being in the remain camp. The fact that the referendum is done, that it went their way is of no consequence to these xenophobic hate filled cretins.

[aws]

The remainers  are detested by many not because they voted remain but because they tried to re-run the result.  

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, aws said:

The remainers  are detested by many not because they voted remain but because they tried to re-run the result.  

I think it's more that leavers are generally moronic, royal family shagging, racist, gullible twats and remainers are generally the exact opposite. The Brexit vote just drew a battle line. 

[Brownie]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I think it's more that leavers are generally moronic, royal family shagging, racist, gullible twats and remainers are generally the exact opposite. The Brexit vote just drew a battle line. 

This kind of attitude really doesn’t help. I know loads who voted Leave and they aren’t anything like that.

[A Red]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I think it's more that leavers are generally moronic, royal family shagging, racist, gullible twats and remainers are generally the exact opposite. The Brexit vote just drew a battle line. 

It isnt like you to make sweeping statements like that

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Brownie said:

This kind of attitude really doesn’t help. I know loads who voted Leave and they aren’t anything like that.

 

4 minutes ago, A Red said:

It isnt like you to make sweeping statements like that

Fucking hell it's almost as if you haven't both been reading this and the Elections thread all morning. 

[A Red]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Fucking hell it's almost as if you haven't both been reading this and the Elections thread all morning. 

Was it humour? Sorry

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, A Red said:

Was it humour? Sorry

Well I was being sarcastic. I did think that the Royal Family part would set your senses off though. You didn't disappoint. 

[Brownie]

18 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Fucking hell it's almost as if you haven't both been reading this and the Elections thread all morning. 

The point still stands, whether you were taking the piss or actually think that. Plenty do and it is a big part of the problem.

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Brownie said:

The point still stands, whether you were taking the piss or actually think that. Plenty do and it is a big part of the problem.

To be fair though as you say a lot of leavers are exactly as Stig described in jest, and I'm obviously no lover of the EU and those who sail in her.