Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

Fortunately before this current leader fixed some things. 

[Captain Howdy]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

THAT pantomime…

Yeah, it’s all gone away

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

THAT pantomime…

StILl th Sam

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Absolute clown shoes of a political party. Wouldn’t trust them to run a school fete. Jesus things are hopeless they really are. There’s just…..nothing. Truss’s Tories or this pantomime. Depressing 

Dont worry they are more professional now, despite the Tory enablers still calling the shots and the party now being driven to the verge of bankruptcy.

[Captain Howdy]

23 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

StILl th Sam

Yar WiNt wun in ElechsHun wHilST deyV Gor aN oLe InDer Rse 

[sir roger]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Read the report.

 

He actively intervened in some cases, that’s where it comes from.

 

That and the complaints procedure being a fucking sham, and Red Ken, and far too many others that were brushed aside as he didn’t have the nous to see it off.

 

He might not be, but they were, and that’s his failing as he, and his team, could and should have done more, but was too busy fighting fights against perceived enemies.

 

That goes for both sides though.

 

Incompetence, rigid ideology, detachment, arrogance and personal ambition without the eyes on the real prize.

 

Thats what the report says and it is loud and clear that all of it was a fucking shitshow, as those of us there at the time saw.

Did he not intervene to speed up the expulsion of Livingstone because the lazy traitors at HO couldn't be arsed ?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Read the report.

 

He actively intervened in some cases, that’s where it comes from.

 

That and the complaints procedure being a fucking sham, and Red Ken, and far too many others that were brushed aside as he didn’t have the nous to see it off.

 

He might not be, but they were, and that’s his failing as he, and his team, could and should have done more, but was too busy fighting fights against perceived enemies.

 

That goes for both sides though.

 

Incompetence, rigid ideology, detachment, arrogance and personal ambition without the eyes on the real prize.

 

Thats what the report says and it is loud and clear that all of it was a fucking shitshow, as those of us there at the time saw.

I don't think I've got the stomach for the Forde report, but I did read the EHRC Report and it's worth pointing out that it confirms that

- the interference from the LOTO in the Livingstone case was intended to make the disciplinary action against him quicker and tougher

- the more general failings of the Labour Party's disciplinary system only started to be addressed when a Corbyn ally replaced a Corbyn opponent as General Secretary.

 

Both of these facts are usually reported as "the EHRC found that, under Corbyn's leadership, his office interfered with disciplinary cases and Labour's complaints procedure wasn't fit for purpose".  Factually correct, I suppose, but the omission of context gives an impression that's the opposite of the truth.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

This doesn't seem to vindicate either side. 

Numero posted this on the Starmer thread; apparently the report vindicates everyone.

Huzzah!

[Bruce Spanner]

9 hours ago, sir roger said:

Did he not intervene to speed up the expulsion of Livingstone because the lazy traitors at HO couldn't be arsed ?

 

As always the truth is more more nuanced and Corbyn doesn't come out of it well at all which helps paint the picture, later backed up, that he didn't 'take antisemitism seriously'

 

That's not saying he's an anti-semite, its saying he was usless at certain aspects of leadership and one especially which is appalling when spelt out fully.

 

Rog, read the thing, it'll shine a light on the absolute basket case that the party was and might go some way to help you understand why poeple are so angry at Corbyn/Momentum/McNicol/Evens/Oldknow etc collectively.

 

 

[sir roger]

14 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

As always the truth is more more nuanced and Corbyn doesn't come out of it well at all which helps paint the picture, later backed up, that he didn't 'take antisemitism seriously'

 

That's not saying he's an anti-semite, its saying he was usless at certain aspects of leadership and one especially which is appalling when spelt out fully.

 

Rog, read the thing, it'll shine a light on the absolute basket case that the party was and might go some way to help you understand why poeple are so angry at Corbyn/Momentum/McNicol/Evens/Oldknow etc collectively.

 

 

Yes, it's all  ' he said/she said' shit isn't it ?

 

Tempted to stay away from the Starmer and Corbyn threads going forwards, as it is not my fight anymore as I have left the party and can't think of a present Labour cabinet member that I Ilke or would trust to do any good in government.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

Fuck Labour. if the Lib dems weren't so shit and hadn't got into bed with the tories I'd lean more towards them. Unfortunately getting these current bastards out is all that matters. The red roses have it. The shitheads. 

[Bjornebye]

Fucking horrible prick

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

7 hours ago, sir roger said:

Yes, it's all  ' he said/she said' shit isn't it ?

 

Tempted to stay away from the Starmer and Corbyn threads going forwards, as it is not my fight anymore as I have left the party and can't think of a present Labour cabinet member that I Ilke or would trust to do any good in government.

You can’t leave these threads, man. You’re the only person that reps my posts in them. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

You can’t leave these threads, man. You’re the only person that reps my posts in them. 

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

It’s sound. Rog will be along shortly to put it right. 

[sir roger]

4 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It’s sound. Rog will be along shortly to put it right. 

Sorry it was a while Cap'n, Ive been out dogsitting for the daughter

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Sorry it was a while Cap'n, Ive been out dogsitting for the daughter

 

 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

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[Creator Supreme]

20 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

I think it's a non-starter, he's 73, why would he be arsed with it?

 

I think he's best off continuing as a backbench independent MP, seeing as Keith won't restore the Labour whip, until he's ready to pack it in!

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I think it's a non-starter, he's 73, why would he be arsed with it?

 

I think he's best off continuing as a backbench independent MP, seeing as Keith won't restore the Labour whip, until he's ready to pack it in!

I doubt he'd be arsed with it. It would definitely get some scumbags spitting feathers though. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Might well win it tbh. 

[Jack the Sipper]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

 

The link takes me to an article about Prince George, but I read an article with a near-identical headline in the Mail round my mums earlier, and once you get past the click-bait style headline there's fuck all in it, just claims that people who know him that want him to run for Mayor. They even say he's 'extremely resistant to the idea', and quote his spokesman saying that he's fully focused on his constituency and fighting the Tories etc. I'd imagine MyLondon have taken the story from there.

 

edit: just seen the video. Yep, it's the same non-story.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by Jack the Sipper

[Bjornebye]

26 minutes ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

The link takes me to an article about Prince George, but I read an article with a near-identical headline in the Mail round my mums earlier, and once you get past the click-bait style headline there's fuck all in it, just claims that people who know him that want him to run for Mayor. They even say he's 'extremely resistant to the idea', and quote his spokesman saying that he's fully focused on his constituency and fighting the Tories etc. I'd imagine MyLondon have taken the story from there.

 

edit: just seen the video. Yep, it's the same non-story.

 

 

Yeah nothing from him or anything at all concrete but as I've said, it's funny seeing people who are so fucking gullible or right wing gobshites up in arms at the mere mention of his name.