Ched Evans

[Phoenix]

Or, he just doesn't think he's done anything wrong is a possibility too.

I imagine quite a few footballers have got away with it before. Probably feels aggrieved because of that.

 

 

[Harry Squatter]

Can remember going to Rhyl shortly after all this happened. Graffitied on the side of a pub in big black letters was:

 

"CHED EVANS IS INNERSENT"

[VladimirIlyich]

Can remember going to Rhyl shortly after all this happened. Graffitied on the side of a pub in big black letters was:

 

"CHED EVANS IS INNERSENT"

Buddhists in Rhyl?

[Spy Bee]

So the law should bend to cultural convention...

No, but the application of it should.

 

I don't think the judge is saying she was extremely intoxicated purely because she stumbled.

 

You've read into it, but have cherry picked one part of the case reporting to suit your argument that she was a bit of a goer who just had regrets the following day.

 

If you read a bit more the additional information is out there which led to the extreme intoxication finding, such as blood alcohol readings and the fact that she woke up in a puddle of her own piss. Factors which I'm sure the judge and jury were privy to and have considered too, rather than looking at just her stumbling.

I've read other things too, like the fact that she didn't get to the hotel until well after an hour after she had finished drinking. The fact that the night porter said she "appeared drunk", not that she was unconscious.

 

The toxicology report suggests that she was 2.5 times the drink drive limit and had traces of marijuana and cocaine in her system? But she confirms she regularly drunk more than that. Fuck it though, let's send him down because a girl pissed herself and he used a fire exit!

 

What we are saying here is that a person can commit a crime and be convicted when intoxicated, but they can't consent to have sex.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Also, the only place I've seen that text said "I'm with a girl" is chedevans.com.

 

All other sources say "got a bird"

 

Are you actually Ched Evans?

[Spy Bee]

Also, the only place I've seen that text said "I'm with a girl" is chedevans.com.

 

All other sources say "got a bird"

 

Are you actually Ched Evans?

It is reported elsewhere, although they do say "words to the effect of". Anyway, again I would hardly call that grounds for conviction. This wasn't the first time that these two had engaged in 'group sex' and it's pretty obvious that they are a bit morally bankrupt when it comes to sex, but again, that doesn't make them rapists.

[Paulie Dangerously]

First rape and now damaging council pavements. Is there no end to his crime spree?!

 

[El Dangerous]

To be fair, I did say the streets we're mean in Rhyl, it could have been self defence.

[Spy Bee]

Mike Skinner probably deserved it.

[Major Tom]

What we are saying here is that a person can commit a crime and be convicted when intoxicated, but they can't consent to have sex.

 

They can. She didn't.

[Spy Bee]

They can. She didn't.

You've kind of missed the point. The courts at this present time have decided that she wasn't able to give consent because she was drunk. So she was able theoretically able to commit a crime and be held accountable, but she wasn't able to consent to sexual intercourse.

 

She was able to walk, able to talk, able to order food and eat food. Able to invite herself to a hotel room, able to consent to sex with one individual, but not able to consent to sex with a second. 

 

I just think the whole thing is massively complex and it's a contentious conviction.

[Major Tom]

You've kind of missed the point. The courts at this present time have decided that she wasn't able to give consent because she was drunk. So she was able theoretically able to commit a crime and be held accountable, but she wasn't able to consent to sexual intercourse.

 

She was able to walk, able to talk, able to order food and eat food. Able to invite herself to a hotel room, able to consent to sex with one individual, but not able to consent to sex with a second. 

 

I just think the whole thing is massively complex and it's a contentious conviction.

 

Yes, it probably is. Doesn't make it a wrong conviction, though.

[Spy Bee]

Yes, it probably is. Doesn't make it a wrong conviction, though.

Doesn't make it a right one, and if there is reasonable doubt, then it's unsafe.

[Major Tom]

Doesn't make it a right one, and if there is reasonable doubt, then it's unsafe.

 

Well, the jury obviously felt there wasn't reasonable doubt and found him guilty accordingly.

[deiseach]

You've kind of missed the point. The courts at this present time have decided that she wasn't able to give consent because she was drunk. So she was able theoretically able to commit a crime and be held accountable, but she wasn't able to consent to sexual intercourse.

 

She was able to walk, able to talk, able to order food and eat food. Able to invite herself to a hotel room, able to consent to sex with one individual, but not able to consent to sex with a second. 

 

I just think the whole thing is massively complex and it's a contentious conviction.

 

Graham Rix is nodding vigorously at this. The jury, having been instructed they must agree on what happened beyond reasonable doubt,  agreed that she consented to sex with Clayton McDonald but not with Ched Evans. To get twelve people to agree on a set of events is an extremely high bar to clear, but the prosecution managed it.

[Spy Bee]

Well, the jury obviously felt there wasn't reasonable doubt and found him guilty accordingly.

Well aye, and we'll see what the appeal brings. My personal opinion is that there is more than enough doubt to overturn.

[Major Tom]

Well aye, and we'll see what the appeal brings. My personal opinion is that there is more than enough doubt to overturn.

 

Yeah, I don't know a lot about the case, really.

[deiseach]

Well aye, and we'll see what the appeal brings. My personal opinion is that there is more than enough doubt to overturn.

 

Your personal opinion seems to be that if there is an accusation of rape and it's her word against his with nothing else but circumstantial evidence, you can never convict him.

[Spy Bee]

Your personal opinion seems to be that if there is an accusation of rape and it's her word against his with nothing else but circumstantial evidence, you can never convict him.

Go away. I can't even be arsed talking to you and you insinuations. Toxicology, forensics, witness reports and other things come into the mix. The jury shouldn't be speculating or making moral judgements.

[DanDanShaw]

I don't even think he did it.

[Redder Lurtz]

Another thread, another reminder of the heady days of tags on the old site.

 

Sad face.

[El Dangerous]

We shouldn't be at war over this. We're all here because we share one vital common denominator. We all think Chedwyn is a fucking stupid name. CHEDWYN!

[deiseach]

Go away. I can't even be arsed talking to you and you insinuations. Toxicology, forensics, witness reports and other things come into the mix. The jury shouldn't be speculating or making moral judgements.

 

If you don't like people following your commentary on this subject through to its logical conclusion then I suggest you put them on ignore or stop commenting. I'm not going anywhere.

[Spy Bee]

If you don't like people following your commentary on this subject through to its logical conclusion then I suggest you put them on ignore or stop commenting. I'm not going anywhere.

Is your avatar picture actually of you, because when I read your posts, I can't help but think that it is!

[Dr Nowt]

Spy Bee's Hodgson?