Should we sell Borini this summer?

[Guest ShoePiss]

‎I've seen some pricks in my time, but you sir, are a fucking cactus!

 

Speak to someone else, you're a fucking weird tit.

[moof]

Give the lad a chance. We won't be relying on him to chip in with goals like we were at the start of this season so that should ease some pressure.

[Andre Wisdom]

Dirk Kuyt managed to parlay running around a lot, looking busy and contributing fuck all to the team into a five year LFC career. No reason this lad cant do the same.

[General Dryness]

Dirk Kuyt managed to parlay running around a lot, looking busy and contributing fuck all to the team into a five year LFC career. No reason this lad cant do the same.

 

What, you mean apart from all them vital goals and assists? Negged.

[Nightcat]

I haven't decided yet.

[Ne Moe Imya]

As several have said, it would depend on the offer.

 

I'm no financial expert and not knowing his wages it's difficult to say for sure, but for an offer in the vicinity of what we paid I'd probably wish him good luck. If we are only getting offers of a few million then I'd leave him be and see what happens next season. We're going to need some depth there, after all, and he's only a young lad still.

[Sangria]

He will get another season, no offer big enough will come in and we need to see him settled and free of injury for a bit. Keep him.

[cmuller]

I really don't understand how he gets tagged as putting in the effort. He's static when we've got the ball, Gerrard bollocked him more than a few times for this early on in the season, and he has to be pointed in the right direction by others when closing down.

 

Get whatever we can for him.

[Biscao]

 

Not the same. Jovanovic was obviously not going to improve much as he was about fuck knows how old and wasn't he signed prior to 2 successive managers coming in anyway? This manager rates Borini' date=' a young player, maybe he's wrong, but it's got nothing in common with thw Jovanovic situation[/quote']

 

Shite is shite and you know it when you see it. In other words: everything in common.

[Trucker Paddy]

Give the lad a chance. We won't be relying on him to chip in with goals like we were at the start of this season so that should ease some pressure.

 

Striker been asked to chip in with goals, what next?

[spider-neil]

No. Needs more time.

Just because Sturridge has come in and slotted straight in doesn't mean every football can.

With time and patience I think Borini will come good, Rodgers has dipped in the pool twice so obviously he sees something in the kid that he likes.

[CLICHÉ]He'll be like a new signing in the summer.[/CHICHÉ]

[billypilgrimnz]

If we bring in someone better, yes.

[chrisbonnie]

It's very rare that any team signs a player, where it takes them a full year to become truly excellent. Ok they might become less shit, but definitely not world class. I don't know about you lads, but I expect world class from our strikers, it's how you win games.

 

Fair enough the lad has had injury trouble,I know that's bad luck. But if there's one thing we can all agree on, it's he isn't world class. I'd sell him.

[The Golden Eel]

Dirk Kuyt managed to parlay running around a lot, looking busy and contributing fuck all to the team into a five year LFC career. No reason this lad cant do the same.

 

Negged

[The Golden Eel]

Shite is shite and you know it when you see it. In other words: everything in common.

 

So you've never changed your mind on a player?

[Biscao]

So you've never changed your mind on a player?

 

Hehe, fair point - last one was Sturridge who I'd not been impressed by before he arrived. Still, I was able to acknowledge that he had some qualities (speed and dribbling ability) also before he arrived. I fail to see that in Borini, like with Shelvey, I really struggle to see what he's supposed to be good at.

 

He's not got more than average pace, poor technical ability, not a fantastic finisher, no physical presence. He seems to be running a lot, I'll give him that, but you kinda ought to have more going for you to play in our team.

[Flying Pig]

Sell him.

I hear people giving him another year to improve but he hasn't got a level high enough now that even if he improves 20% I still think he will be average at best. And that goes for Sterling too, but thats another thread.

[Duff Man]

I'd get rid. He won't get too many opportunities now we've got Sturridge and Coutinho and he's not done much to suggest he can offer much besides getting into good positions and then not scoring. He's like Inzaghi without the goals.

[RedRazor]

It's not obvious that he's "fucking garbage". Yes, he's been pretty shit, but then wasn't Henderson pretty shit last season? I see a lot of parallels between these two. Not that Borini has an effect on Henderson or vice versa but it at least shows that you can't lways jump to conclusions with young players in the first season at a big club like this. Confidence is a major factor.

 

Seriously? If we are reduced to deciding whether Borini is "fucking garbage" or just "pretty shit" then it must be time for him to see alternative employment opportunities.

 

In answer to the second part, IMO Henderson was "fucking garbage" last season if we are using the same scale of measurement. He has been one step up from "pretty shit" this season. If someone offered £16m for him I would snatch their hand off.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Jovanovic only had 10 league starts - we sold him.

 

Poulsen had 12 league starts - we sold him.

 

Paletta had 3 league starts - we sold him.

 

Kromkamp had 14 league starts - we sold him.

 

Leto had 0 league starts - we sold him.

 

I could go on...

Please don't.

 

The first two players were bought by one manager, then sold by another who didn't fancy them.

 

Paletta was signed as a youngster to see if he could make the grade. After 18 months he hadn't found his way into the first team, so he was sold on at a profit.

 

Jan Kromkamp was a stopgap in a position (cover for Steve Finnan) that was not the number one priority in squad strengthening. He was a bit better than his predecessor, but not good enough to be first choice: hence, his (and Finnan's) replacement by Arbeloa.

 

Sebastian Leto was signed as a youngster to see if he could make the grade. He could barely get a game because of passport problems. With Ryan Babel and Albert Riera competing for the left side, there was no place for him anyway, so he was loaned out and then sold on for a profit.

 

This thread is proposing something completely different altogether. This thread is asking whether it's a good idea that the manager should sell a young player, who he bought, who has struggled with injury and has thus only had limited time to adapt to a new league in a new country, in a team still developing a new style. As such a sale would be at a significant loss, the question this thread asks is "Is Borini a write-off?"

 

It's a preposterous question. There was a time I would have called it a question unbecoming of Liverpool fans, but I've seen too much of this sort of nobheaddery to be surprised any more.

[Biscao]

It's a preposterous question. There was a time I would have called it a question unbecoming of Liverpool fans, but I've seen too much of this sort of nobheaddery to be surprised any more.

 

Wages and transfer fee combined I think Borini and Jovanovic are fair to comapare. Which makes sense when you look at their ability, I guess, quite similar. Call it "nobheaddery" if you like, but answer this: What is Borini supposed to be good at?

 

Edit: I think you should answer this rather than neg me for it to be honest.

[Magic Sponge]

The lad has only started 9 games and made 6 sub appearances.

 

Fucking hell, give him a chance.

[Biscao]

The lad has only started 9 games and made 6 sub appearances.

 

Fucking hell, give him a chance.

 

Sure.

 

What should I be looking for, what are his best qualities?

[Adebisi]

The lad has only started 9 games and made 6 sub appearances.

 

Fucking hell, give him a chance.

 

I agree. He's young and has the talents to become a good player for us.

 

But, if we're not in the Europa league I would be half tempted to sell him, Carroll and Downing and go buy someone really really good to start with Suarez and Sturridge and with the money left over, a back up striker for the bench, preferably someone with a bit of experience.

 

Obviously other areas of the team need strengthening too/first, that's a given, but another 20 goal-a-season man, with another 10-15 from the bench wouldn't go amiss. Would certainly help out CL hopes.

[Biscao]

 

I agree. He's young and has the talents to become a good player for us.

 

 

Again:what are his talents?