Israel - A Rant

[Captain Willard]

1 hour ago, Mook said:

 

The Palestine/Israel situation is a trendy one to get involved with, no doubt.

 

The white/western settlers are the bad guys, which makes it easier to stick a flag in your window or walk down the street in protest about in comparison to a slaughter committed by brown people in Africa or Asia.

 

It's the same as everything else these days (especially online) where people pick a side & double down on it until they reach they point where they become virtually impossible to communicate with on any sort of rational level.

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

[Planet Origi]

16 minutes ago, M_B said:

Or maybe it was a rocket, like in the videos.

 

If it wasn't a JDAM, then what was it and how did it get there?

Maybe the same as what they used to bomb it the two previous times which didn't level the hospital nor leave a huge crater...that was my point.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

 

Absolute fucking rubbish. The other wars get condemnation, UN soldiers on the ground etc (maybe not China and North Korea but nobody really knows what the fuck's going on) yet Israel get away with it time after time and get the backing of the western powers and we all know why. 

[Arniepie]

1 minute ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

the slight difference with that analogy is that we dont tend to overwhelmingly side with 1 side over the other in those african conflicts.

the forum is however clearly full of raging anti semites. 

[M_B]

14 minutes ago, Planet Origi said:

Maybe the same as what they used to bomb it the two previous times which didn't level the hospital nor leave a huge crater...that was my point.

Oh I see. Yes, makes sense. Can you point me towards the reports of those strikes because I can't find them.

 

Yes, you are right. The Palestinian chronicle states

 

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Third, Israel had in fact already bombed that same hospital, only a few days earlier, specifically on Saturday, October 14. The bombing then resulted in infrastructural damage. 

 

But I can't find anything more about that attack.

 

 

 

Edit: Found some info

 

https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2023/10/anglican-run-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza-damaged-by-israeli-rocket-fire-as-conflict-continues.aspx

 

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The Diagnostic Cancer Treatment Centre of al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli rocket. Two upper floors of the centre, which houses the ultrasound and mammography wards, were severely damaged.

 

But if it had been an Israeli rocket attack, we'd have seen the flame of the rocket in the night sky in the live feed.

 

 

 

Anyway - I think I have laboured my point long enough now. People will believe what they want to believe and that's fine - everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[TheHowieLama]

3 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

In a court case the prosecution has the burden of proof - who has that in this case?

 

2 hours ago, House of Dirk said:

Oh we just let it fly and call everyone a cunt . No one is accountable for anything anymore

 

Let's just leave it up to Canada then.

 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday that Canadian officials are still reviewing evidence about the Gaza hospital blast that killed and maimed many Palestinian civilians and he's not prepared to say who's responsible.

That's a departure from what U.S. President Joe Biden and American national security services have said about the explosion.

"We are working closely with allies to determine exactly what happened," Trudeau told a press conference with Caribbean leaders in Ottawa when asked if he accepted the Israeli version of events that has since been endorsed by the U.S. government.

The Israeli military has said a misfired rocket launched by Palestinian militants was behind the explosion.

Hamas has blamed an Israeli airstrike for the blast.

There are conflicting reports about how many people died in the blast.

"We saw some preliminary evidence but we'll keep working with our allies as quickly as possible before reaching any firm and final conclusion," Trudeau said in French, adding that many communities here in Canada are "personally affected in an intensive way by what happened over there."

[Jurgen Knows]

40 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

Let’s not confuse Jewish with Zionist.

 

I don’t think jews are the oppressors, and I think most posters share the same view. It is the zionists who are being condemned.

 

Many prominent jews are condemning the genocide. Some of the strongest protestors are jewish voices.

 

This is not a religious conflict. It is a political one. 

[Gnasher]

49 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

 

I think most of the world was horrified when Russia invaded Ukraine. Thread  on here. Their was a lot of comment over the recent upheaval in Sudan. Posters have commented through the years over the deaths in Yemen. 

 

This has been the main story in almost every newspaper and on the national news TV stations for two weeks. Both the President and British Prime Minister visited Israel this week. The President of the United States made an address to the American people only last night. To suggest its over egged on this forum because of the Jewish factor is clearly ridiculous.

[ZonkoVille77]

47 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

 

Why don't you just called this thread "antisemitic" and be done with it? Weaponising Antisemitism is the new norm after all. Its basically what you've posted there but in a sly, cowardly fashion.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

 

59 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

 

Why lie though? 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/27/march-in-support-of-ukraine-in-london-everything-was-turning-blue-and-yellow

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/13/iain-duncan-smith-accuses-xinjiang-governor-of-at-uyghur-protest

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/thousands-protest-in-london-for-uyghur-freedom/

https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-governor-pulls-out-of-london-trip-after-protests-by-senior-mps-12810865

 

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/thankyouforacting-UKstoparmingsaudi

https://www.counterfire.org/article/protesters-march-against-the-uk-enabling-the-war-on-yemen/

https://menasolidaritynetwork.com/2023/04/27/stop-the-war-in-sudan-join-the-protests-on-29-april/

 

 

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Why don't you just called this thread "antisemitic" and be done with it? Weaponising Antisemitism is the new norm after all. Its basically what you've posted there but in a sly, cowardly fashion.

in the last few days ive read the bbc,ch 4,sky,private eye and the PCS union all labelled anti semitic.

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, Nelly-Matip said:

 

 

Why lie though? 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/27/march-in-support-of-ukraine-in-london-everything-was-turning-blue-and-yellow

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/13/iain-duncan-smith-accuses-xinjiang-governor-of-at-uyghur-protest

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/thousands-protest-in-london-for-uyghur-freedom/

https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-governor-pulls-out-of-london-trip-after-protests-by-senior-mps-12810865

 

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/thankyouforacting-UKstoparmingsaudi

https://www.counterfire.org/article/protesters-march-against-the-uk-enabling-the-war-on-yemen/

https://menasolidaritynetwork.com/2023/04/27/stop-the-war-in-sudan-join-the-protests-on-29-april/

 

 

 

 

There is a Uyghur thread and I recall North Korea getting all Gangnammed up in this bitch.

[Gnasher]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

 

There is a Uyghur thread and I recall North Korea getting all Gangnammed up in this bitch.

Yes. The Captain is just spouting utter shite. And the people who repped his post are munching on that shite. 
 

It’s quite something to see the people who want peace and to stop innocent people from being killed being slurred as racists.
 

Particularly by those who are actively cheering on the killing of loads of Arab Muslims or trying to justify it. 
 

The projection is strong in this thread. 

[A Red]

1 hour ago, Captain Willard said:

As we sit here there are a handful of wars going on in Africa and many more terrorist insurgencies being brutally oppressed by African states. 100,000s of people are being killed every year and there are maybe 2 million urghaurs in labour camps plus the millions in North Korea starving this winter becuase of a totalitarian regime. But there are no marches, no protests outside the embassies, no twitter posts, not even a thread on here. The people who endlessly tell the rest of us how much they deplore the killing don’t seem to give a fuck about other protagonists, only if it involves Jewish people. They may fool themselves it’s all a big coincidence and they would be equally outraged by this situation if the population of Gaza was Jewish but the rest of us aren’t buying it. 

I see where you are coming from but I don't see it as anti Semitic, you should remember many on the left are sensitive to this type of accusation.

 

I see it more to do with the perception that the jews are white living in a sea of brown. White on brown always raises the hackles more than brown on brown. The white should know better after all, is a form of racism. 

 

That said, one side holds all the power and needs to learn restraint but like many on here I don't trust them. It needs the US to tell Israel to back off in no uncertain terms otherwise face the economic consequences

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Rum, Sodomy and Hamas 

[Bjornebye]

Never thought I'd see myself pretty much agreeing with a certain person on a political thread that's for sure. 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

45 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Why don't you just called this thread "antisemitic" and be done with it? Weaponising Antisemitism is the new norm after all. Its basically what you've posted there but in a sly, cowardly fashion.

 

He has done, to be fair.

 

You can tell it's only because we all hate Jews as most of the left also supports the oppressed in Yemen, while his gang of galactic fucking cunts flogs weapons to the Saudis. *Checks notes...vast majority on both sides are Muslim, it turns out. 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

33 minutes ago, A Red said:

That said, one side holds all the power and needs to learn restraint but like many on here I don't trust them. It needs the US to tell Israel to back off in no uncertain terms otherwise face the economic consequences

 

This. This is why the left supporters Palestine. I'm Agnostic, for fuck sake. I couldn't give a shiny fucking shit about Islam or Judaism, nor being Arabic or Jewish. Simply don't give a fuck. It is offensive to be told, by a Tory (Captain, not you), that the left's concern is actually fuelled by racism. Especially when he supports a party that has spent over 200 years having zero concern for anyone, and is overtly fucking racist.

[ZonkoVille77]

37 minutes ago, A Red said:

I see where you are coming from but I don't see it as anti Semitic, you should remember many on the left are sensitive to this type of accusation.

 

I see it more to do with the perception that the jews are white living in a sea of brown. White on brown always raises the hackles more than brown on brown. The white should know better after all, is a form of racism. 

 

That said, one side holds all the power and needs to learn restraint but like many on here I don't trust them. It needs the US to tell Israel to back off in no uncertain terms otherwise face the economic consequences

 

Good post.

[ZonkoVille77]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

This. This is why the left supporters Palestine. I'm Agnostic, for fuck sake. I couldn't give a shiny fucking shit about Islam or Judaism, nor being Arabic or Jewish. Simply don't give a fuck. It is offensive to be told, by a Tory (Captain, not you), that the left's concern is actually fuelled by racism. Especially when he supports a party that has spent over 200 years having zero concern for anyone, and is overtly fucking racist.

 

Bingo.

[SasaS]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Just say it! 

 

I'd have to go into long post for which I don't have enough time (I'd have to first organize my own thoughts on this matter) and which would bore the shit out of everyone, go from traditional support for Palestinians rooted in opposition to imperialism, neo-colonialism, anti-American attitudes, Cold War, so I'll skip about 50 years and focus on recent events.

 

There is a lot of support for Palestinian active resistance, especially on the left and all the way to the hard left (which certainly has its own logic), however, the problem is the almost all of that active resistance in the recent years has been done or at least spearheaded by people and organization supporters would found ideologically unpalatable. This is why they prefer to focus on Israel's actions which than helps create this Manichean view of other side as evil and keeps people in constant state of moral outrage, instead of going into analysis.

 

I've followed some of the tweets shared on here to profiles of what I understand are prominent pro-Palestinian activists and supporters to see how they dealt with what happened on 7 October. It is largely either ignored or mostly not dwelt upon too long, because they understand what happened and how much of a disaster that was for Palestinian cause, they are hardly Hamas supporters, but at the same time, they are also reluctant to further harm the cause by condemnation. Which creates a bit of a schizophrenic situation where you feel that you then have argue that nothing would change for Palestinians without Hamas and rationalize things away.

 

There are also people who you can see wouldn't be able to write half a page on the history of the conflict and just follow it in some social media echo chamber which constantly pumps up outrage triggering content, but I find them less interesting as a phenomenon.

[Gnasher]

 

Don't know why he's not reporting on over wars but I think the calls for a ceasefire will grow over the weekend and beyond. 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I'd have to go into long post for which I don't have enough time (I'd have to first organize my own thoughts on this matter) and which would bore the shit out of everyone, go from traditional support for Palestinians rooted in opposition to imperialism, neo-colonialism, anti-American attitudes, Cold War, so I'll skip about 50 years and focus on recent events.

 

There is a lot of support for Palestinian active resistance, especially on the left and all the way to the hard left (which certainly has its own logic), however, the problem is the almost all of that active resistance in the recent years has been done or at least spearheaded by people and organization supporters would found ideologically unpalatable. This is why they prefer to focus on Israel's actions which than helps create this Manichean view of other side as evil and keeps people in constant state of moral outrage, instead of going into analysis.

 

I've followed some of the tweets shared on here to profiles of what I understand are prominent pro-Palestinian activists and supporters to see how they dealt with what happened on 7 October. It is largely either ignored or mostly not dwelt upon too long, because they understand what happened and how much of a disaster that was for Palestinian cause, they are hardly Hamas supporters, but at the same time, they are also reluctant to further harm the cause by condemnation. Which creates a bit of a schizophrenic situation where you feel that you then have argue that nothing would change for Palestinians without Hamas and rationalize things away.

 

There are also people who you can see wouldn't be able to write half a page on the history of the conflict and just follow it in some social media echo chamber which constantly pumps up outrage triggering content, but I find them less interesting as a phenomenon.

 

Not a bad post however.... 

 

Sorry, who else is persecuting Palestine? I mean you could argue the US are helping and even the Uk although our arms tend to go to Saudi Arabia who don't get on with Iran who inadvertently support Hamas 'ish' because they know a full scale war in the Middle East will garner support from all muslim nations and for Saudi Arabia to be backed into a corner to make a choice (Which Iran wants). 

 

Then we have the US craving for Iran to kick off..... 

[ZonkoVille77]

This is good by Freedland.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister