American Politics

[sir roger]

4 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

What part of Warnock did you not like?

 

Allegedly running his wife over in his car during a 'domestic'.

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, sir roger said:

 

Allegedly running his wife over in his car during a 'domestic'.

What if that never happened?

[sir roger]

I'll apologise to him the next time I see him.

[SasaS]

On 28/10/2022 at 20:21, Numero Veinticinco said:

Shame, she's one of the good ones. 

 

A potentially high value asset lost. 

[Strontium]

5 hours ago, SasaS said:

A potentially high value asset lost. 

 

Swings and rondabouts innit. The BJP may have lost Gabbard, but they've got Sunak.

[SasaS]

3 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Swings and rondabouts innit. The BJP may have lost Gabbard, but they've got Sunak.

 

As long as it's not the SVR with Sunak.

[TheHowieLama]

Sinema becoming an IND.

 

Thanks for nothing.

[TheHowieLama]

Newest GOP Legend George Santos:

 

 "I never claimed to be Jewish ... I said I was 'Jew-ish.'"

[Jack the Sipper]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Newest GOP Legend George Santos:

 

 "I never claimed to be Jewish ... I said I was 'Jew-ish.'"

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

This is crazy. From The Guardian on McCarthy trying to be elected as speaker :

 

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Election for House speaker to go to a historic second round of voting

House clerk Cheryl Johnson is now formally reporting the vote in the first round for House Speaker, where Kevin McCarthy slumped to a humiliating defeat.

Johnson confirms that Democratic minority leader Hakeem Jeffries received 212 votes. McCarthy received 203 votes. Rightwinger Andy Biggs of Arizona received 10 votes. Rightwinger Jim Jordan, who was not formally nominated, received six votes.

There were 434 votes cast. Republicans hold 222 seats and should have been able to reach a majority behind one nominee – but civil war prevails.

Johnson announced: “No person, having received a majority of the whole number of votes cast … as speaker has not been elected.”

She notes that for the first time since 1923, the voting will now go to a second round.

 

And :

 

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Jordan said: “We need to rally around him.” He then quoted the Bible, calling on the caucus to “keep the faith” and unify around McCarthy.

It’s a crisis for the Republicans in the House, no doubt about it.

California Democrat Pete Aguilar is now once again nominating Democratic minority leader Hakeem Jeffries as that party’s choice for speaker.

Freedom caucus and right-wing rebel Matt Gaetz of Florida has now risen. he’s nominating Jim Jordan to become speaker. We’re definitely in sitcom territory now, other than this is about one of the highest offices in the land and third in line to the presidency.

Wry smiling from McCarthy, who’s sitting feet from Gaetz. In the first round, Arizona congressman Paul Gosar nominated Andy Biggs. He’s not being nominated this time around. The reading clerk is now going to call the roll and voting will begin.

 

From here : Kevin McCarthy’s bid for House speaker goes to second vote after historic first-round failure – live

[TheHowieLama]

He's lost the second round, because of Jim Jordan.

[polymerpunkah]

After the mid-terms, I'm seeing this as a positive.

 

Jordan is a right wing, pro-Trump moron. He'll spend all his time trying to placate the nut-case contingent in the Republican caucus and hopefully alienate even more voters by doing so.

 

Plus he's a moron, so I'm expecting some really entertaining bull-goose-looney shenanigans.

[TheHowieLama]

Zero chance it will be Jordan.

[Red Phoenix]

Congrats to McCarthy.

 

 

[Rico1304]

What does this mean (for the hard of thinking)?

[Guest]

 

[SasaS]

31 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

What does this mean (for the hard of thinking)?

 

That Republicans would have to appease their right wingers with overall policy concessions to make them support the party candidate for Speaker and other proposals. Not good news. Unless there is a split, which there probably won't be.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[polymerpunkah]

It appears the centrists have made a concession to the radicals, agreeing to not spend money to support moderates in strongly-Republican districts, thereby making it easier for the wack-jobs to elect their fellow wack-jobs.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

The more  wack-jobs the Republicans elect, the poorer they'll do in government, and the more presidential/senatorial elections they'll lose.

 

 

[SasaS]

9 hours ago, polymerpunkah said:

It appears the centrists have made a concession to the radicals, agreeing to not spend money to support moderates in strongly-Republican districts, thereby making it easier for the wack-jobs to elect their fellow wack-jobs.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

The more  wack-jobs the Republicans elect, the poorer they'll do in government, and the more presidential/senatorial elections they'll lose.

 

 

 

They won't, they will just move further to the right and their electorate will follow, so they will all try to "outrightwing" one another to get elected, the US will continue to be  increasingly polarized, democracy will suffer because of it since they will remain a two- party system and ultra-conservative ideas will continue spread elsewhere, which is what has been happening since the '90s. And resulted in culture wars, partisan media, right wing populism seeking to undermine democratic institutions under the pretext of "draining the swamp" and so forth. 

[Red Phoenix]

 

[sir roger]

11 hours ago, polymerpunkah said:

It appears the centrists have made a concession to the radicals, agreeing to not spend money to support moderates in strongly-Republican districts, thereby making it easier for the wack-jobs to elect their fellow wack-jobs.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

The more  wack-jobs the Republicans elect, the poorer they'll do in government, and the more presidential/senatorial elections they'll lose.

 

 

 

Shouldn’t this horse trading have been done weeks ago ?

[sir roger]

I think the Democrats have missed a trick. As they can't win themselves they should have lent enough votes to get McCarthy in position before he could do a deal with the extremist 20 or so , leaving the Republicans in an ever more bitter civil war.

[TheHowieLama]

25 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I think the Democrats have missed a trick. 

No chance and never was one.

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

No chance and never was one.

 

You'd know better than me THL, I just thought tactics-wise it meant

 

- Sews more suspicion about McCarthy with the GOP loons and widens the breach in their ranks..

- Dems can paint it as putting the country first and accentuate the GOP childishness.

- He or a similar Republican will get in eventually anyway.