Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Anubis]

The Mail promoting peace and harmony as usual.

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

 

[Rico1304]

 

[Gnasher]

16 hours ago, Numero said:

Neggers?

[Tj hooker]

Great to see this Brexit prick put in his place 

 

[Gnasher]

16 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Christ. Is this another time where you completely misunderstood or are ignorant of what you say?  
 

So, to take attention away from the sticking point in negotiations around fishing rights the U.K. ‘throw a dead cat on the table’ by saying they’ll deploy warships. It’s the fucking polar opposite of a ‘dead cat’. Thick. 

You think even a government as idotic as this would use warships against the French? Of course they wouldn't, it's just a diversion tactic to move the spotlight away from the Tories fucking up negotiations. 

[Rico1304]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You think even a government as idotic as this would use warships against the French? Of course they wouldn't, it's just a diversion tactic to move the spotlight away from the Tories fucking up negotiations. 

I think this government is already sending gunboats out to protect our territorial waters.  The chances of someone doing something stupid and creating an international incident have increased.  Which is fuckimg stupid.  

[Gnasher]

16 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Greece and Turkey did.

Serbia and Croatia did.

Russia and Ukraine did.

Azerbaijan and Armenia did.

Angry the odds of the main western European countries such as Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland waging another war against each other after two world wars was a fraction above zero. It wasnt going to happen eu or no eu. It was almost impossible for Germany and Italy anyway. Non eu countries like Iceland, Norway, Switzerland are in no more danger than countries inside the European union.  The arguement the eu as vehicle for peace is tangible at best. Its similar to the pub bore saying the only reason Russia has not attacked us is because we have nuclear weapons, it's a wafer thin argument.

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I think this government is already sending gunboats out to protect our territorial waters.  The chances of someone doing something stupid and creating an international incident have increased.  Which is fuckimg stupid.  

Didn’t we have a stare off with the Ruskies at some point over the past few weeks?

 

Quite common I think, nowt wrong with a bit of chest puffing now and again, right?

 

I mean what could go wrong...

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I think this government is already sending gunboats out to protect our territorial waters.  The chances of someone doing something stupid and creating an international incident have increased.  Which is fuckimg stupid.  

I agree with you its fucking stupid I dont agree with you on the reasoning. I believe it's a bluff mainly to cover the government's own deficiency in the event of a no deal. I dont think itll away the eu one iota.

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Didn’t we have a stare off with the Ruskies at some point over the past few weeks?

 

Quite common I think, nowt wrong with a bit of chest puffing no and again, right?

 

I mean what could go wrong...

It’s just another thing to add to the scales, probability is low, but it’s higher than it was.  Put everything together and we will be poorer, have fewer opportunities, be more at risk.  Just a complete fucking mess.  

[Bruce Spanner]

12 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

It’s just another thing to add to the scales, probability is low, but it’s higher than it was.  Put everything together and we will be poorer, have fewer opportunities, be more at risk.  Just a complete fucking mess.  

It’s a complete disaster, potentially.

 

We've invested in a new carrier, biggest in the world, game changer etc. 100% over budget, we don’t have enough planes to make it viable, genuinely, we’re parking American ones on it to fill it. It’ll take up around about half of the additional defence funding that Alex announced. 
 

This is one of many of their big ideas, read around the low hanging satellite fiasco for the tip of a ridiculously deep iceberg of massive speculative and dangerous overspend on ludicrous ideas and programs, a lot of this is Dom’s work and now he’s gone and their ‘ideology’ has been fucked off they haven’t got a clue/picture/idea what any of this means anymore. Ideological and morally bankrupt chancers to a man.

 

They’ve never left the sixth form common room and are genuinely dangerous and incredibly stupid and ego driven to the point of outright danger to the nations future.
 

We are heading for a real awakening about our place in the world and I’m not sure they can see it in their cosseted little bubble. 

[No2]

The gun boats shit is about creating chaos in France. They want French fishermen to do their dirty work for them, get them attacking their own government to get a deal that allows them sail into British waters. None of this has or has ever had anything to do with small British fishing boats.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

The sentiment is spot on, but best of all is the name Otto von Jizzmark.

[Bruce Spanner]

7 minutes ago, No2 said:

The gun boats shit is about creating chaos in France. They want French fishermen to do their dirty work for them, get them attacking their own government to get a deal that allows them sail into British waters. None of this has or has ever had anything to do with small British fishing boats.

It never has done as we flog off our quotas to various ‘European Friends’ and shaft our own annually.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/07/fishing-brexit-uk-fleetwood/amp/

 

Who’d a thunk the Tories were a disingenuous rabble using jingoism and a sepia tinged version of Blighty that never really existed in the first place to sow discord.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

22 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Angry the odds of the main western European countries such as Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland waging another war against each other after two world wars was a fraction above zero. It wasnt going to happen eu or no eu. It was almost impossible for Germany and Italy anyway. Non eu countries like Iceland, Norway, Switzerland are in no more danger than countries inside the European union.  The arguement the eu as vehicle for peace is tangible at best. Its similar to the pub bore saying the only reason Russia has not attacked us is because we have nuclear weapons, it's a wafer thin argument.

Are you still not getting this? You say that post-war Europe was sick of war and you're right; that generation decided to do something about it., first with the ECSC, which evolved into the EEC and the EU.  A realistically sceptical view is that they were making Europe safe for capitalism.  Your suggestion that it's just a coincidence that no two Member States have ever been to war against each other  (while other European nations have come to blows) makes no sense. 

[Rocky Sullivan]

The pub bore is the fella who never stops spouting shite no matter how many times he has his arse handed to him, right?

[Chip Butty]

Personally, I'd ask every businessman or woman, every contractor, every manager, every OAP, basically every one who is going to kick off about the no deal - and ask them did they vote to stay or leave, because their the fucking dickheads that started this mess in the first place.  

 

Be careful what you wish for, and all that jazz. 

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

The pub bore is the fella who never stops spouting shite no matter how many times he has his arse handed to him, right?

Top of the world ma.

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Are you still not getting this? You say that post-war Europe was sick of war and you're right; that generation decided to do something about it., first with the ECSC, which evolved into the EEC and the EU.  A realistically sceptical view is that they were making Europe safe for capitalism.  Your suggestion that it's just a coincidence that no two Member States have ever been to war against each other  (while other European nations have come to blows) makes no sense. 

The charade about peace between nations was simply smoke and mirrors to justify the 'safe capitalism' you mention. 

 

We're going round in circles so I'll leave it, if you believe major countries like Germany  France, Britain etc would possibly have waged war against each other if they weren't part of the eu then fair enough. My view is its a fanciful and tenuous argument.

[Numero Veinticinco]

There’s only a handful of EU states that aren’t also in NATO. And those states are pussies and aren’t going to attack a NATO country - EU or no EU. There is a pro-defence argument against those non-NATO states leaving the financial and political union of the EU that has credibility. There isn’t a pro-defence argument for those, like the UK, that are already party of an actual military alliance and mutual defence pact like NATO. 

[A Red]

NATO and the fact that democracies dont go to war with each other is a more important factor than the EU.

 

Yes yes we all know about the Peloponnesian war of 431 - 404 BCE

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

NATO and the fact that democracies dont go to war with each other is a more important factor than the EU.

 

Yes yes we all know about the Peloponnesian war of 431 - 404 BCE

It's nonsense to do what Gnash does and dismiss the role of the EU altogether. 

 

Without the EU, war between European nations is unlikely.  With the EU, war between Member States is practically impossible  (and in the Eurozone completely impossible).

 

I prefer impossible to unlikely. 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

We're going round in circles so I'll leave it

Ha ha. Yeah.

[Numero Veinticinco]

16 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's nonsense to do what Gnash does and dismiss the role of the EU altogether. 

 

Without the EU, war between European nations is unlikely.  With the EU, war between Member States is practically impossible  (and in the Eurozone completely impossible).

 

I prefer impossible to unlikely. 

Seems like you made that up. Why is it more likely that NATO nations - who are in a mutual military alliance - will go to war with each other than financial and political alliance members?