Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

The whole worker-employer structure is being withdrawn.

It's being rebalanced in the employers' favour.

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's being rebalanced in the employers' favour.

No it's not.

 

The working class have found a voice, a voice that had been silent for 30 years. Bring it on.

 

 

 

 

[Mudface]

33 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's being rebalanced in the employers' favour.

I assume he means 'redrawn' there. Although 'withdrawn' is actually a better term, seeing as it's going to be replaced with an employer-serf model, with people forced to accept increasingly worse employment terms and no possibility of legal redress.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

No it's not.

 

The working class have found a voice, a voice that had been silent for 30 years. Bring it on.

 

 

 

 

For all your bombastic "bring it on" nonsense (and for all the efforts to promote Tony Benn's "two fires" that I have to do, as a union branch secretary) the reality is that the working class is on the back foot.  We're not "finding our voice" - we're fighting defensive actions against the most virulently anti-worker Government for decades, to try to protect our members from genuine poverty; and "the whole point of Brexit" is to stack the odds against us.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/it-was-a-brexit-export-champion-now-kent-brewery-has-one-eu-customer-left

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Matip said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/it-was-a-brexit-export-champion-now-kent-brewery-has-one-eu-customer-left

More wins- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/travellers-delays-uk-border-control-calais-brexit

 

It's still absolutely amazing that the country voted to make things so much more difficult for itself, even more so that people still think it was a good idea in the face of all the evidence.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[Section_31]

A Kent brewery chosen to help champion export opportunities for the government after Brexit has revealed that burdensome customs checks and paperwork have left it with just one remaining customer in the EU.

The Old Dairy Brewery in Kent – a Department for International Trade export champion for the south-east – appeared in a government video last year promoting the potential to boost Brexit export sales.

However its exports of bottled and keg Kent ale to countries including Italy, Germany and Sweden have slumped since the UK left the EU because of the onerous paperwork.

[Bjornebye]

On 03/09/2022 at 19:11, Section_31 said:

I think they're definitely misreading the room here. Could be some heads on pikes at this rate.

 

British pike? 

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

 

A great bunch of lads.

https://nypost.com/2022/09/03/70000-protest-in-prague-against-czech-government-eu-nato/

 

 

[Arniepie]

7 hours ago, Mudface said:

More wins- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/travellers-delays-uk-border-control-calais-brexit

 

It's still absolutely amazing that the country voted to make things so much more difficult for itself, even more so that people still think it was a good idea in the face of all the evidence.

What's even more astounding are the people who think getting brexit done was a positive 

[Section_31]

"let's get out of NATO"

 

Yeah what could possibly go wrong.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

A great bunch of lads.

https://nypost.com/2022/09/03/70000-protest-in-prague-against-czech-government-eu-nato/

 

 

Similar in Italy, Denmark and France. The EU has ignored the poor, 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/30/italy-eu-face-big-risk-of-potential-far-right-victory-ex-pm

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Similar in Italy, Denmark and France. The EU has ignored the poor, 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/30/italy-eu-face-big-risk-of-potential-far-right-victory-ex-pm

 

 

The EU isn't in government in any of those countries. However neoliberal the EU has undoubtedly become, the bottom line is that it's the government of any Member State that chooses to either support or exploit working class people. 

 

Also, that article is about the threat that the Far Right pose to the EU. (Nothing there to support the suggestion that, if I remember rightly, you have previously made, that EU membership gives rise to the Far Right.) What is it about the EU that unites all of Europe's Fascists against it?

[Section_31]

[Mudface]

 

[Anubis]

7 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Tim Not Very Nice But Dim.

[Baresi]

 

[Rico1304]

This is the reality. 
 

 

[TD_LFC]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

We got our country back! Wake up and smell the freedom!

 

 

EU to impose windfall tax on energy companies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-windfall-tax-energy-firms-b2166915.html#Echobox=1663147032

 

UK to scrap cap on bankers' bonuses.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2022/sep/15/kwasi-kwartengt-cap-banker-bonuses-shell-new-ceo-uk-inflation-economy-business-live?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

We got our country back! Wake up and smell the freedom!

 

 

EU to impose windfall tax on energy companies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-windfall-tax-energy-firms-b2166915.html#Echobox=1663147032

 

UK to scrap cap on bankers' bonuses.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2022/sep/15/kwasi-kwartengt-cap-banker-bonuses-shell-new-ceo-uk-inflation-economy-business-live?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

 

The present government are  putting forward their proposals and beliefs, out in the open. In that respect its good. Now its up to the opposition to outline why it stinks to high heaven and for the English people ( the Tories are getting nowhere near power in Scotland or Wales) to look at these proposals and vote them out. 

 

I wouldn't necessarily be using the EU as an example of institutions against bankers, they are locked together hand in glove. The EUs former main man even fucked off to join Goldman Sachs.

 

Edit; friends of the people,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/08/jose-manuel-barroso-to-become-next-head-of-goldman-sachs-international

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Nobody is using the EU as an example of an institution against bankers.

 

Think of bankers as Tim Burton. The EU is Johnny Depp, enjoying a close working relationship. The UK is (pre-2014) Helena Bonham-Carter, willingly getting routinely shafted.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

55 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The present government are  putting forward their proposals and beliefs, out in the open. In that respect its good. Now its up to the opposition to outline why it stinks to high heaven and for the English people ( the Tories are getting nowhere near power in Scotland or Wales) to look at these proposals and vote them out. 

 

I wouldn't necessarily be using the EU as an example of institutions against bankers, they are locked together hand in glove. The EUs former main man even fucked off to join Goldman Sachs.

 

Edit; friends of the people,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/08/jose-manuel-barroso-to-become-next-head-of-goldman-sachs-international

 

 

You can't (honestly) emphasise the way the current Government is "taking advantage of the opportunities offered by Brexit" (as they would put it) without recognising that it's an ERG Government; these are the people who lobbied for the Referendum, won the Referendum on lies and have been behind every decision since the Referendum. It was always going to be this way, whatever the Lexit fantasists might have thought.