What's your opinion of Brendan Rodgers?

[Major Tom]

Its everything. When you arent winning.

The winning being the job description.

 

We won yesterday.

[dennis tooth]

We won yesterday.

And who amongst us has been teeth critical of him since then?

 

The prosecution rests.

[Major Tom]

And who amongst us has been teeth critical of him since then?

 

The prosecution rests.

 

Touché

[magicrat]

Are we in an era of massive anti Liverpool sentiment ?

I meet and talk to lots of people around the country supporting various different clubs and I'm not aware of any increased hostility towards us . Chelsea are certainly becoming more fashionable to hate but other than Mancs and some Gooners who always have it in for us then by and large people quite like Rodgers and enjoyed the way we played last season .Suarez was a pantomime villain so if anything there is less about us to dislike this time around and the Gerrard departure is getting us some good press

[Razoray]

Touché

Toothdecay?

[dennis tooth]

Likewise markovich or mignolet have become sticks to beat his critics just as they were the same stcks rodgers was beaten and sodomised with he and his supporters now there are performances and wins are felching the arses of critics with small balotelli last minute winner shaped rodents and lapping it up the club needs to be successful otherwise his bum will be parted and objects from bitter memory will ruffle the balloon end until it is easy to get a baseball bat in and the owners get disgusted and sack any such filthy deerty bastard. Lets hope brendan doesnt become so desensitised to the perils of online porn that it pervades every logical anal isis and concentrate on the footy p.e rigorous physical non wank footy diversion.

[RobbieOR]

Tool was probably a bit strong. But then, Souness aside, I'm used to having managers with a bit more humility.

 

I stand by liar because it's my opinion and I beleive a fairly held one. 

 

Regardless if you think he should be more honest with the press, calling him a liar implies he's been dishonest and harmful towards the club and that is one thing he hasnt been. It's bang out of order to be honest.

[deiseach]

Are we in an era of massive anti Liverpool sentiment ?

 

We are in an era of massive anti Liverpool sentiment. West Ham fans went into absolute fucking meltdown over the dodgy penalty awarded at Upton Park last season. It wasn't as if they were in danger of being relegated at that point and given the howler from which they had benefited in that game it was preposterously unreasonable. But reason went out the window when it looked like Liverpool were about to overturn the notion that everyone's league position is locked in place by money.

[The Guest]

Are we in an era of massive anti Liverpool sentiment ?

I meet and talk to lots of people around the country supporting various different clubs and I'm not aware of any increased hostility towards us . Chelsea are certainly becoming more fashionable to hate but other than Mancs and some Gooners who always have it in for us then by and large people quite like Rodgers and enjoyed the way we played last season .Suarez was a pantomime villain so if anything there is less about us to dislike this time around and the Gerrard departure is getting us some good press

 

Go on any other clubs forum and it will open your eyes.

 

It would be understandable, because football forums are generally full of people slagging other teams and fans off, but go and have a read and compare it to what is said about other clubs.  We are fucking hated and it's largely down to the "scouse" dislike.

Last season on Bluemoon lots of them were saying they would rather Man U win the league than us.  Man Utd were made up to see City win it.  Arsenal Mania, Spurs Fighting Cock, Villa Heroes and Villains all the same.  It's not Geordie cunt this Brummie twat that it's all I hope they beat Liverpool scouse bin dipping cunts etc.  This is obviously the internet and I think RAWK have more than had a hand in it all but it's definitely a reflection of real life.  People generally don't like scousers and LFC is obviously synonymous with scousers.

[deiseach]

I think the Hillsborough panel's report made it difficult to express anti-Scouse sentiments, which was cruelly ironic given that the lies about Hillsborough only grew because they found such fertile ground among those who hate Scousers. Hate will always find a way to get out though, and the naked hostility towards Liverpool FC in recent years has been a reflection of that.

[Anubis]

Regardless if you think he should be more honest with the press, calling him a liar implies he's been dishonest and harmful towards the club and that is one thing he hasnt been. It's bang out of order to be honest.

 

An opinion to which you're entitled, Robbie. As I am mine. We'll just have to disagree as we did earlier in the thread.

[ratcatcher]

Go on any other clubs forum and it will open your eyes.

 

It would be understandable, because football forums are generally full of people slagging other teams and fans off, but go and have a read and compare it to what is said about other clubs.  We are fucking hated and it's largely down to the "scouse" dislike.

Last season on Bluemoon lots of them were saying they would rather Man U win the league than us.  Man Utd were made up to see City win it.  Arsenal Mania, Spurs Fighting Cock, Villa Heroes and Villains all the same.  It's not Geordie cunt this Brummie twat that it's all I hope they beat Liverpool scouse bin dipping cunts etc.  This is obviously the internet and I think RAWK have more than had a hand in it all but it's definitely a reflection of real life.  People generally don't like scousers and LFC is obviously synonymous with scousers.

 

Fan forums, eh?

 

I think a lot of that is down to people seeing us as living on past glories. Day to day contact Ive had around the country towards LFC is quite good at least on the surface.

 

Must admit, some geordies and makems I know said to me we arent a 'big club' any more. Hows that I said. Because you havent won the league in years, they said.

 

True but its not like we have won fuck all since 1990 is it compared to their what exactly?

[Major Tom]

Regardless if you think he should be more honest with the press, calling him a liar implies he's been dishonest and harmful towards the club and that is one thing he hasnt been. It's bang out of order to be honest.

 

I think I'm right in saying that Anubis has an issue with Rodgers the man being a liar and not in his role as LFC manager. And he believes he knows the man is a liar by observing his body language on tv.

 

I think that's right, anyway. Anubis can correct me if I've misunderstood him.

[The Golden Eel]

Go on any other clubs forum and it will open your eyes.

 

It would be understandable, because football forums are generally full of people slagging other teams and fans off, but go and have a read and compare it to what is said about other clubs.  We are fucking hated and it's largely down to the "scouse" dislike.

Last season on Bluemoon lots of them were saying they would rather Man U win the league than us.  Man Utd were made up to see City win it.  Arsenal Mania, Spurs Fighting Cock, Villa Heroes and Villains all the same.  It's not Geordie cunt this Brummie twat that it's all I hope they beat Liverpool scouse bin dipping cunts etc.  This is obviously the internet and I think RAWK have more than had a hand in it all but it's definitely a reflection of real life.  People generally don't like scousers and LFC is obviously synonymous with scousers.

 

I think a large part of that among modern fans is/was Suarez and the way we were perceived to have dealt with the Evra issue.  And Suarez more generally.  But yeah, any time I look at other teams' forums, there's a lot of hate there.  Funnily enough, it sounds odd, but Redcafe tends to be one of the least hostile forums. 

[JermainePennant]

Brendan nicked the new formation off Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich.

 

Talent borrows, genius steals.

And you know this how? Let's ignore the fact we played a similar formation last season and do bayern play wingers as wbs.

 

I also find it hard to believe when you have a struggling team you'd copy the tactics one of the best two teams in Europe use.

[cloggypop]

And you know this how? Let's ignore the fact we played a similar formation last season and do bayern play wingers as wbs.

 

I also find it hard to believe when you have a struggling team you'd copy the tactics one of the best two teams in Europe use.

We did not play a similar formation last season.

 

Pep used it at Barca first and is now using it at Bayern. Brendan is a big fan of Pep's work.

 

This is a decent read if you want to know something about 3-4-3

 

http://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2014/8/5/5960443/pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-tactics-3-4-3-formation-lineup

[cloggypop]

Here is Brendan talking about his influences

 

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/525149/Brendan-Rodgers-reveals-Pep-Guardiola-never-met-Bayern-Munich-Liverpool-ash-cloud

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/liverpool-rodgers-inspired-bayern-champions-league-511508

[Section_31]

People get abusive over differences of opinions all the time. You're pretty good at it, yourself, Section. The indignance over the abuse is a little bit hollow, really. From you and Anubis, anyway. It's not every poster's MO, though, and maybe they could claim the moral high ground if they so wished.

 

I agree with bolded bit, mind. That's what this thread is mainly about.

 

Edit: reading your post again, I agree with the heat of the moment stuff as well. Par for the course when following a sports team.

 

If you can show me a post where people who've backed Rodgers have been broadly branded as anything at all, be they shithouses or beauts or whatever, then you'd have a point. 

 

And I don't think I am an especially abusive poster, I'd be pretty surprised and pretty gutted in all honesty if anyone on here thought I was. 

[The Guest]

I think a large part of that among modern fans is/was Suarez and the way we were perceived to have dealt with the Evra issue.  And Suarez more generally.  But yeah, any time I look at other teams' forums, there's a lot of hate there.  Funnily enough, it sounds odd, but Redcafe tends to be one of the least hostile forums. 

 

I was going to say the exact same thing.  If you read opinions on Hillsborough across the forums Redcafe is easily the most sympathetic.  Most of if not all other forums I've come across are pretty disgusting.  I do think the Suarez thing has played a part but the underlying hate is there to see.

[JermainePennant]

We did not play a similar formation last season.

 

Pep used it at Barca first and is now using it at Bayern. Brendan is a big fan of Pep's work.

 

This is a decent read if you want to know something about 3-4-3

 

http://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2014/8/5/5960443/pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-tactics-3-4-3-formation-lineup

We played 352 last season with Sturridge and Suarez up front. I'm also fairly sure we went with one up front and three at the back on a couple of occasions.

 

Sterling a wide man was also playing as a wb in that system.

 

A lot of managers will be influenced by Pep it doesn't mean they are going to copy his exact tactics, I take it Rodgers is talking more about his style of play, playing a possession game etc.

[xerxes]

Rodgers' big advantage is that his start point was so low.

 

Simply surviving the first season was a spectacular achievement for one so inexperienced, more experienced and more decorated managers like AVB at Spurs,Scholari at Chelsea and Moyes at Man U failed that test.

 

Furthermore neither the owners, nor us fans, have an appetite for more change. Last seasons second placed finish will be the best he is ever likely to finish and equals our best for quarter of a century, it would be churlish to complain about that.

 

This season could bring cup honours, or could see him having peaked, we will see.

 

Like others I see little excessive Scouse hate at the moment, but that is because we have threatened so little. Let's hope it ramps up a bit, eh?

[cloggypop]

3-5-2 plays very differently to 3-4-3.

[The Guest]

Fan forums, eh?

 

I think a lot of that is down to people seeing us as living on past glories. Day to day contact Ive had around the country towards LFC is quite good at least on the surface.

 

Must admit, some geordies and makems I know said to me we arent a 'big club' any more. Hows that I said. Because you havent won the league in years, they said.

 

True but its not like we have won fuck all since 1990 is it compared to their what exactly?

 

I know what it sounds like but I think people are more likely to tell you what they really think on an internet forum than if you meet them in person.

 

I've worked in Greater Manchester for a while so maybe it's the impact of that on me but I think I can see it in people's faces when I open my mouth even if what they are saying is something different.  You do also meet the odd person who is completely open about it.  I've spoken about it before and I think it's the modern day racism.  It's not socially acceptable to judge people on their skin colour any more so what else can we discriminate against?  Where they are from that will do.

[JermainePennant]

3-5-2 plays very differently to 3-4-3.

We don't play 343, we play 3421. The difference is instead of one am behind the strikers like we had last season there is now two ams behind one striker.

[cloggypop]

We don't play 343, we play 3421. The difference is instead of one am behind the strikers like we had last season there is now two ams behind one striker.

Indeed. It is a variant of 3-4-3. The other way is to have 2 upfront in a more out and out attacking style. Pep Guardiola is using the same system as us.

 

Last season when we had 2 upfront we were generally using a 4-4-2 diamond.