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  1. Breaking, 10 reported killed. Satirical magazine that often questions muslim faith attacked by gunmen.
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    LFC.tv channel

    What the fuck's going on with it? Its just showing endless repeats of the games. Havent seen any U21 or U18 games listed for ages. Have these leagues been abandoned or sommut?
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    Heysel 30 years on

    Sobering reading. Thirty years after a night that scarred football, when 39 people died moments before the Italian side took on Liverpool in the 1985 European Cup final, there are moves to in Turin to mark the loss Heysel stadium disaster, Brussels, 1985: a wall collapses, crushing Juventus fans seeking to escape trouble with Liverpool supporters. Photograph: Eamonn McCabe/The Observer Ed Vulliamy Saturday 9 May 2015 23.03 BST Juventus Football Club of Turin – one of the world’s most prestigious sides, and an Italian national institution – stands this week at a crossroads, epic even by the standards of its own illustrious history. A draw against Real Madrid on 13 May would see the team qualify for the European Cup final, which Juventus won on 29 May 1985 – the night 39 of its fans died when a wall collapsed at the aged Heysel Stadium in Brussels. The tragedy was triggered by Juventus supporters attempting to escape a violent charge by Liverpool supporters. By a twist of fate, if Juve qualify again, the final tie in Berlin will be played just two days short of the 30th anniversary of a football massacre that has been all but airbrushed from mainstream memory in Britain. For too many years, these 39 victims have been subject to scorn … attacking the black and white colours Juventus FC statement On 29 May, Juventus will hold a commemorative mass at the church of the Grande Madre di Dio in Turin, modelled on the Pantheon. A statement by the club announcing the occasion is probably its strongest yet: “For too many years,” it reads, “these 39 victims have been subject to scorn with the sole aim of attacking the black-and-white colours. This is a vile action that has no place in any stadium or sporting debate. This anniversary should also serve as a period of reflection, ensuring that such behaviour is not repeated.” In March, Juventus refused to allow England’s Football Association to lay a wreath at its new stadium before a friendly between Italy and England, lest it detract from Juventus’s own plans. But behind the mass lie months of backstage planning and wrangling among followers of Juventus and the club, and 30 years of painful reckoning – and general failure to reckon – with what the title of a book by reporter Jean-Philippe Leclaire calls: Heysel: the Tragedy Juventus Tried to Forget. Juventus’s reference to “scorn” refers to the glee with which rivals in Italian football have taunted the club over the tragedy. In the minds of the victims’ relatives, that word scorn will apply also to two decades during which Liverpool – city, club and supporters – failed to formally apologise for what its fans had done. On the 20th anniversary in 2005, Bruno Guarini, who lost his son Alberto in the tragedy, said: “We’ve heard nothing from Liverpool or its supporters, no apology, no solidarity, nothing to say they did anything wrong.” But that year, by a twist of fate, Juventus drew Liverpool in the month of the anniversary: militant groups of Liverpool fans organised a mosaic reading Amicizia – friendship – across the Kop, and an official delegation finally visited Turin. Liverpool captain Sami Hyypia joined his counterpart Alessandro del Piero to read out the names of the dead. Juventus’s announcement of the 29 May mass says it is the result of “a heartfelt and sincere dialogue with the Association for the Families of Heysel Victims”, but thereby hangs a tale. Soon after the killings, a group of victims’ relatives was established in Arezzo by Otello Lorentini, whose son Roberto, a doctor, was killed while trying to administer first aid to other fans. The association had become a focal point for those who felt the club had done too little for the bereaved and wounded. The campaign for justice and memory was always championed by Juventus’s organised fans, the ultràs – who gathered in groups with names such as Viking or Drughi (from the Droogs of A Clockwork Orange) on their favoured terrace, the Curva Filadelfia. “We were,” says one Drughi veteran, Salvatore, “always in the front line for truth and justice, to get the dead at Heysel honoured in the proper way.” I was nine. I watched on television and saw the horror in my parents' faces. I grew up that day Andrea Agnelli, Juventus president The club’s reticence changed dramatically in 2010 when Andrea Agnelli – nephew of the man whose name is synonymous with Juventus, the late Fiat boss Gianni Agnelli – took over as president. Agnelli presided over a moving 25th anniversary ceremony at which he said: “I was nine years old – I watched on television and saw the horror in my parents’ faces. I grew up that day, became mature.” Agnelli ensured a beautiful monument at the new stadium of 39 falling stars to represent the dead, and at its opening in 2011 the words “In Memory” were picked out in fire across the pitch. “The atmosphere was transformed,” says Beppe Franzo, one of the veteran fans’ leaders, who has written two books about the Curva and the legacy of Heysel. “The club was involved, the taboo lifted.” “Juventus seemed finally to have made peace with Heysel,” says Domenico Laudadio, designer and curator of the relatives’ association’s “virtual museum”. Facebook Twitter Pinterest Spectators flee the Heysel stadium terraces as the crush (rear left) continues on 29 May 1985: 39 people died. The cup final was still played, and Juventus won 1-0. English clubs were banned from European competition for five years. Photograph: Dominique Faget/AFP For this month’s commemorations, Franzo and Laudadio set to work on projects more ambitious than the mass. One was a striking theatrical production designed by Laudadio, recited by actor Omar Rottoli. It envisaged strong imagery – Calvary, a “river of blood” – and a passage that squarely blames Liverpool fans and European football’s governing body Uefa for the massacre. Franzo had for two years laid plans for a day of collective memory in Turin, to include Laudadio’s text, which “would bring together everyone: fans, relatives and the Juventus club, as it should be. It was also to include our partisans of both extreme right and left, united by their feelings of antagonism. A commemoration from the Curva and the street that belonged to us all: every fan, every family, and Juventus.” Neither plan came to fruition. Laudadio’s drama failed to win the club’s backing: “They totally modified the rhythm, form and words,” he says. “The relatives’ association has decided not to accept the changed text.” Otello Lorentini died last year, but his association was relaunched this January by his grandson Andrea Lorentini, who issued an impassioned plea from Arezzo: “The memories of Heysel, sadly, are solitary ones (I lost my own father there), and we’re happy every time anyone wants to share it with us. We thank Juventus, but we claim our role as guarantors of the memory … We’ll participate in the mass for the fallen; as our only shared [anniversary] moment with the club”. Franzo approved of Juventus’s script changes, but counsels: “If we’re not united, leave it. We know who is to blame, we know who did it – now is the time for something more ambitious.” His vision is that: “On one hand, there is the private memory of each of the families, to be respected. But we also need collective tribute, collective commemoration and collective memory, so that what happened can belong to the history of Juventus and all its fans, as well as the private memories of those who suffered loss.” He seeks official sanction from Turin city council this week for a trip to Brussels to lay wreaths. “To lose your son in that way,” says Guarini in Puglia, “killed by those people, is beyond sorrow. It is something time cannot cure. It leaves you dead in your heart.” A young fan unborn at the time, Alessandro Borghi, added: “Ironically, the families of 96 people in Liverpool know the feeling well. But still we’re mostly forgotten.”
  4. At least one person is dead and another injured after Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo space tourism craft crashed in the California desert. The craft was flying a manned test when it experienced what the company described as "a serious anomaly". It was undergoing its first powered test flight since January over the Mojave Desert, north of Los Angeles. Virgin Group founder Sir Richard Branson tweeted he was flying to California "to be with the team". "Thoughts with all @virgingalactic & Scaled, thanks for all your messages of support," Sir Richard said. Both pilots were employed by Scaled Composites. One was pronounced dead at the scene while the other was transported to a local hospital in an unknown condition. Television images shot from a helicopter showed what appeared to be wreckage bearing the Virgin logo. Officials have said the debris is currently strewn over a large area. In a statement, Virgin Galactic said the "vehicle suffered a serious anomaly resulting in the loss of SpaceShipTwo". The aircraft that held the spaceship, known as White Knight 2, has landed safely, Virgin Galactic said. Sir Richard said his thoughts are with the team Ken Brown, a photographer who witnessed the crash, said the craft exploded after it was released from a plane that carries it to a high altitude. Officials with the National Transportation Safety Board will begin their work on Saturday morning to investigate the cause of the accident, which will likely take several days. "We are going to be supporting the investigation as we figure out what happened today," said George Whitesides, chief executive of Virgin Galactic. "The future rests in many ways on hard days like this but we believe we owe it to the folks who were flying these vehicles as well as the folks working so hard on this to understand this and move forward." Analysis: David Shukman, BBC science editor Even as details emerge of what went wrong, this is clearly a massive setback to a company hoping to pioneer a new industry of space tourism. Confidence is everything and this will not encourage the long list of celebrity and millionaire customers waiting for their first flight. An innovative design for a spacecraft combined with a new type of rocket motor to make the development challenge exceptionally hard. Despite an endless series of delays to its spacecraft, Virgin Galactic has over the years managed to maintain some very optimistic public relations and positive media coverage. I interviewed Sir Richard Branson when he first announced the venture and his enthusiasm and determination were undoubted. But his most recent promises of launching the first passenger trip by the end of this year had already started to look unrealistic some months ago. Today's accident will delay plans even further. Space is never easy, and making it routine is even harder.
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    Active SETI?

    God loves a trier especially good old Seth. Its a bit weak of him saying we've been anouncing our presence for the last 30 odd years with tv and radio waves (its actully over a 100 years) because they get drowned out by natural frequencies and dissapate within a distance of 3 to 4 light years so would be many times harder to detect than what SETI is doing near the 1420 Mhz frequency. Its an interesting concept seeing as there's not been a single confirmed candidate signal received (although Wow! does peak my interest and curiosity) despite searching for 50 years. A single 'Active' SETI test was made around 1974 from Aricebo by Frank Drake and friends. Not that I think there's anyone else out there in the Milky Way right now but seems a bit risky shouting into the great void. But, perhaps that's what everyone else is doing, keeping quiet? If and its a massive if, the Wow! signal was from an ETI, maybe they were cautious in anouncing their location too because there's nothing in that particular region and why its never been heard of again? Scientists in US are urged to seek contact with aliens By Pallab Ghosh Science correspondent, BBC News Seti listens out for signals using its own radio telescope array at Hat Creek in California Scientists at a US conference have said it is time to try actively to contact intelligent life on other worlds. Researchers involved in the search for extra-terrestrial life are considering what the message from Earth should be. The call was made by the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence institute at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in San Jose. But others argued that making our presence known might be dangerous. Researchers at the Seti institute have been listening for signals from outer space for more than 30 years using radio telescope facilities in the US. So far there has been no sign of ET. The organisation's director, Dr Seth Shostak, told attendees to the AAAS meeting that it was now time to step up the search. "Some of us at the institute are interested in 'active Seti', not just listening but broadcasting something to some nearby stars because maybe there is some chance that if you wake somebody up you'll get a response," he told BBC News. The concerns are obvious, but sitting in his office at the institute in Mountain View, California, in the heart of Silicon Valley, he expresses them with characteristic, impish glee. Game over? Continue reading the main story “Start Quote Any society that could come here and ruin our whole day by incinerating the planet already knows we are here” Dr Seth Shostak Seti Institute "A lot of people are against active Seti because it is dangerous. It is like shouting in the jungle. You don't know what is out there; you better not do it. If you incite the aliens to obliterate the planet, you wouldn't want that on your tombstone, right?" I couldn't argue with that. But initially, I could scarcely believe I was having this conversation at a serious research institute rather than at a science fiction convention. The sci-fi feel of our talk was underlined by the toy figures of bug-eyed aliens that cheerfully decorate the office. But Dr Shostak is a credible and popular figure and has been invited to present his arguments. Leading astronomers, anthropologists and social scientists will gather at his institute after the AAAS meeting for a symposium to flesh out plans for a proposal for active Seti to put to the public and politicians. High on the agenda is whether such a move would, as he put it so starkly, lead to the "obliteration" of the planet. "I don't see why the aliens would have any incentive to do that," Dr Shostak tells me. "Beyond that, we have been telling them willy-nilly that we are here for 70 years now. They are not very interesting messages but the early TV broadcasts, the early radio, the radar from the Second World War - all that has leaked off the Earth. "Any society that could come here and ruin our whole day by incinerating the planet already knows we are here." His argument isn't entirely reassuring. But neither is the one made by David Brin, a science fiction writer invited to speak at the AAAS meeting, who opposes the plan. "Historians will tell you that first contact between industrial civilisations and indigenous people does not go well," he told me. Mr Brin believes that those in favour of active Seti have been "railroading the public into sending a message without a wide and detailed discussion of what the cultural impact might be". He does not fear a Hollywood-style alien invasion and thinks the likelihood of making contact is extremely low. But the risks, he argues, are extremely high and so merit careful consideration before anyone sends out a signal to potentially habitable worlds. "The arrogance of shouting into the cosmos without any proper risk assessment defies belief. It is a course that would put our grandchildren at risk," he said. Also on the agenda at the active Seti symposium is that if we are to send a message to ET - what should it be? Some involved in the discussions believe we should send a sanitised account of ourselves, leaving out parts of our history we aren't proud of and putting a positive spin on our achievements - as if our species were attending a job interview or first date. Dr Shostak disagrees. He thinks the only way to win over the aliens is to be ourselves. "My personal preference is to send the internet - send it all because if you send a lot of information then there's some chance that they'll work it out". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31442952
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    Whats your shit like?

    I think Im a Type 2 or 3 but I'll have a closer look next time I bomb the bog. Which poo do you do? When doctors at a Bristol hospital found patients were reluctant to describe their faeces, medics devised the Bristol Stool Form Scale. The handy chart is now used all over the world to help patients open up (excuse the pun) with less embarrassment. The perfect poo What you should be looking for... Type Four (above) is a sign of a healthy colon, but anything from Three to Five is acceptable. Poos should glide out smoothly, be light to medium brown, cause no discomfort, and be in one long shape. Movement should happen soon after you sit down, and if there is any sign of blood in the stool, see your GP immediately as it could be an indicator of cancer.
  7. I like Klopp. He's a good manager but even he is struggling this season. I particularly liked his response to the question that his team and tactics had been 'found out.' Once a manager \ team get stuck in a rut, its not easy to get out of it. Shades of rodgers and Liverpool. Jürgen Klopp, left, leads his Borussia Dortmund team from the field after their latest defeat at Werder Bremen. Photograph: Alexandre Simoes/Borussia Dortmund/Getty Images Raphael Honigstein Tuesday 23 December 2014 08.31 GMT Jürgen Klopp had to face the music on Saturday. And boy, did he not like it. “They are celebrating an non-relegation party in the changing room next door,” the Dortmund manager noted grumpily at the Weserstadion, “I wouldn’t write us off yet”. Werder’s sporting director Thomas Eichin, one of those neighbourly revellers, later clarified that the home side had simply cheered “a win over Dortmund”, knowing full well that “nothing” was won in regards to staving off the drop. The northerners are 16th going into the Christmas break on 17 points, two better off than Dortmund. Only one goal separates them from bottom-of-the-table Freiburg. Werder’s jubilations – and Eichin’s explanation – showed that last year’s runners-up are still considered a tough opponent, one of the league’s genuine big scalps. But that reputation is waning. The 2-1 defeat on Saturday was the 10th loss of the current campaign. Enough to make everyone concerned look like “total idiots,” as Klopp conceded with brutal honesty afterwards. “We have played the worst half of the season imaginable,” added captain Mats Hummels, who was heavily involved in all three goals of the afternoon but unfortunately only credited for one. “The worries have been there for weeks. The way we have been playing, we deserve to be down there”. There was a logic in this game’s particular outcome, at least. Dortmund were poor throughout, low on confidence and cutting edge, well below par in terms of individual performances. But in most matches, they haven’t played nearly as badly as they did in Bremen. The unprecedented slump from double winners and Champions League finalists to Bundesliga basement dwellers in the space of 30 months remains a mystery. Media debates have homed in on the most readily-available numbers: the poor goal-scoring return despite creating a wealth of chances, and a series of defensive black-outs by seasoned pros at the other side of the pitch. But blaming the for and against columns as the causes for the malaise is a bit like blaming a fever on a patient’s high temperature. Those numbers are only the symptoms of a much more complex condition. Advertisement Klopp’s main attempt to explain the riddle has focussed on the lack of a proper pre-season due to the World Cup and many injuries in the squad. Once the batteries were “full again” in the new year, he promised, “it will be much more difficult to beat us.” In other words, there’s nothing wrong with the footballing idea as such, only with its insufficient implementation. It’s a typical response from a dogmatic manager. Before the away game at Paderborn, he scalded a local reporter for suggesting that other teams might have “found out” his side and developed strategies for countering Borussia’s high-pressing style. “I’m not looking for a fight, so I will even answer the stupid questions,” he shot back acidly, before going on to claim that Dortmund’s plight was all down to their own failings. “If you say we’ve been ‘found out’, what does that say about the work of opposition coaches for the last few years?”, he added. “Were they unable to see what our game is?” It’s a salient point. Done correctly, with pace and precision, Dortmund’s game can overpower the best of teams, as Real Madrid and Bayern can testify from recent experiences. But their troubles to play with the required intensity and to do the right things in both penalty boxes aside, Klopp’s side could also be the victims of their own success. Bayern haven’t been the only team to copy at least part of the Dortmund blueprint and blunt the original’s innovative effect in the process. Synchronised pressure against the ball and rapid transition has become the new orthodoxy in the league, the playing style almost everybody aspires to; from the superb Augsburg (sixth!) to the remarkably resilient new boys Paderborn (10th), Dortmund’s competitive tactical advantage has been partially eroded. That’s not a new phenomenon, either. In 2011-12, they won the league with a (then) new points record of 81. Six of those points came from two wins over Bayern. The next year, they finished considerably worse, with a total of 66 points that included two draws against Bayern. At the time, Dortmund still had Robert Lewandowski and Mario Götze in their ranks, too. Last season, they picked up 71 points, with one win and one defeat against Pep Guardiola’s side. Take out the results against the Bundesliga’s southern overlords and you’ll get an average points return against the 16 others in the league that has markedly decreased from 2.34 (2011-12) to 2 (2012-13) and 2.1 (2013-14). As early as that 2012-13 season, some observers wondered whether Klopp’s all-or-nothing approach needed to be modified. Dortmund haven’t been able to do that. They remain hell-bent on full-throttle-football. Ilkay Gundogan, the one man who can most effectively vary the side’s tempo , is only slowly coming back to full fitness, and he has been lacking like-minded team-mates. Dortmund’s game is all about verticality and quick shots on goal. Prising deep teams open is, not surprisingly, very difficult for them. A ‘plan b’ is easy for journalists to suggest but Dortmund-based Freddie Röckenhaus, of Süddeutsche Zeitung, is surely right to question whether Klopp has neglected to develop different, more mature facets to their game. “It could be that they have failed to add a bit of coolness to the underdog style of the boom years,” he wrote. “Dortmund don’t seem to be able to cut open teams with a surgical knife, unlike other top teams. At times, one feels that BVB are caught up in eternal adolescence and power-sapping exuberance, and that a more grown-up football style is not even wanted”. It’s worth remembering at this point that Klopp had vowed to employ even more aggressive tactics before the start of the season. He’d promised to create a “pressing machine”. To that extent, Dortmund have played a lot of 4-4-2 this season. It’s been football without a safety net, reliant on the individual class of his defenders to cope in situations with numerical parity or worse. Injuries and loss of form for just about every defender in the squad has led to failure. So what’s next? A meeting between Klopp, sporting director Michael Zorc and CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke on Sunday resolved that no drastic changes would be made. The coach has the backing of the board, while players and supporters are still firmly behind him. On Monday evening, the club announced the signing of Salzburg’s playmaker Kevin Kampl. The 24-year-old should add creativity and poise in the middle of the field. Recent history is also on their side: they tend to have a good second half of the season under Klopp. But there’s a second, deeper worry here, one that will render the next six weeks off perhaps even more restless for everyone at the club than a look at the table. Coaches who demand Klopp’s level of work and tactical discipline from their players don’t tend to last very long at any particular club. Think Guardiola, José Mourinho, Marcelo Bielsa, even Ralf Rangnick: wear and tear - physically, mentally and in terms of relationships - always become a problem before too long. Klopp is in his seventh season at Borussia. In modern terms, that’s an eternity. But the young players who have followed his instructions so slavishly – so much so that one or two commentators compared BVB to a cult with Klopp as the spiritual leader – are now a little older, perhaps a little wiser but maybe a little slower as well. Almost as shocking as Dortmund’s ineptitude on Saturday was the tired emptiness Klopp radiated after the final whistle. 2014-15 won’t mark the end of BVB’s membership in the top-flight. But it could well be the beginning of the end of the Klopp era, with all the vagaries that go with it.
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    United v Liverpool - match thread

    manchester has had hundreds of millions of pounds poured into it and its still a shithole. Even mansours near billion pounds hasnt changed much beyond a tiny area of eastlands. And the mancs have stolen many visitor attractions from other places, the football museum in particular. Why the fuck the BBC decided to site the 'media city' in salford, an area not particularly well served by road,one can only wonder.
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    Declaring war on Rodgers

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    United v Liverpool - match thread

    We're crap and made a crap team look good.
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    Brian Hall

    Sad news of 'Little Bamber's' passing. I remember his first goal for Liverpool at old trafford in the 71 FA Cup semi against the shite. I read he retired from the club's Development team 11 years ago, doesnt seem that long. YNWA, Brian.
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    The Official Raheem Sterling Thread (Part 412)

    Dunno. Suarez was constantly mentoring him during games, telling when and where to go, when to send him and stuff. Are aguero and co going to invest that effort in him now he's a s 'big' a signing as them? Time will tell. If pelligrini is replaced by pep in a couple of years and pep doesnt fancy him, now that would be funny.
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    The Official Raheem Sterling Thread (Part 412)

    Dont honestly give a fuck what city pay him. Fact is it would be funny if they did pay him 180k - 200k a week. Then watch the city fans get on his back when he constantly goes down blind alleys, falls over and misses open goals from 4 or 5 yards al la newcastle. Made yer bed, now fucking lie in it.
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    The Official Raheem Sterling Thread (Part 412)

    They are under the home grown quota rule for the PL. Im not sure what the sanctions are for this but its part of the reason. I guess they see him as something big for the future to a lesser degree.
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    The Official Raheem Sterling Thread (Part 412)

    No, he was let off training because of his adoptive father's death. he's not on the plane to Aus along with Borini and Enrique because the club are giving a clear signal they're surplus and want to move them on.
  16. I think he's probably the best candidate right now. Doesnt miss many games through suspensions or injury, been here a few years etc. Whether he's a natural leader or inspirer when the chips are down, time will tell.
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    The Official Raheem Sterling Thread (Part 412)

    I think it means they'll be advising both parties what they can and cant do rather that try and smooth out any disagreement. Its pretty obvious to me sterling has played his last competitive 1st team game for Liverpool which was probably sometime in March judging by his end of season performances. Id be more than just exceptionally surprised if he ever turned out for us again. Its just a question of agreeing a fee or sticking him the U21's in my opinion.
  18. Wouldnt surprise me that city are having a small input to this saga now. Suggest he makes his position at Liverpool untenable so they dont have to pay anywhere near the £50m we want. I can see city waiting until late Friday then bidding £42m maybe £43m due to the player making it public he doesnt want to go on the tour and no longer wants to play for the manager who's taken a lot of time 'defending' him never mind give him his chance in the PL. John Henry's going to need big balls to play this the way he wants it to go. Did I say sterling's a little shit?
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    Le Tour 2015

    Greipel isnt called the gorilla for nothing. His power is enormous. Mind he sat back a lot and let others do the hard work for him today.
  20. Serious discussion point. He's clearly won a couple of titles and cup. He's an engaging and passionate personality. But he also couldnt arrest a very poor season in the Bundesliga and lost the German Cup final to first time winners Wolfsburg. So, should his past record speak louder than his last season? Or, should we heed how his last season turned out?
  21. Liverpool set to play two matches in Australia as part of pre-season summer tour Liverpool played in Australia two years ago in front of 95,000 supporters at the Melbourne Cricket Ground The Reds are set to return Down Under to play two pre-season matches Adelaide and Brisbane are expected to be the destinations for Brendan Rodgers as they step up their preparations for the 2015/16 campaign By Simon Jones for MailOnline Published: 12:33, 14 January 2015 | Updated: 13:19, 14 January 2015 Liverpool are set to play two matches in Australia as part of this summer’s lucrative pre-season tour. The Reds will return Down Under after the huge success of their first visit two years ago when they played in front of 95,000 supporters at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. This time Adelaide and Brisbane are expected to be the destinations for Brendan Rodgers’ squad as they step up their preparations for the 2015/16 campaign. Liverpool visited Australia two years ago and played in front of 95,000 fans at the Melbourne Cricket Ground Adelaide and Brisbane are expected to be the destinations for Brendan Rodgers’ squad on the next trip Then-Liverpool striker Luis Suarez pictured after the match between the Reds and Melbourne Victory Liverpool are set to play two matches in Australia as part of this summer’s lucrative pre-season tour Details have yet to be finalised but it’s likely to be a four-game, fortnight-long tour starting in July with Liverpool stopping off in Asia both en route to Australia and on the return journey. Indonesia and China are the leading contenders to also host friendly fixtures. A return to Indonesia was always on the cards with their national airline Garuda one of Liverpool’s key commercial partners. A crowd of 82,000 watched the Reds beat an Indonesia XI in Jakarta in July 2013. The alternative option to Indonesia is playing in the Malaysian city of Kuala Lumpur. The Reds last visited China in 2011 when 35,000 saw Kenny Dalglish’s side beat Guandgdong Sunray Cave 4-3 in Guangzhou. This time Liverpool are expected to visit the city of Macau – 40 miles west of Hong Kong – instead. Charlie Adam, now of Stoke City, pictured playing for Liverpool in China in July 2011 during pre-season Andy Carroll (left) and Conor Coady (right) of Liverpool celebrate scoring a goal during a pre-season friendly Sources in Australia expect the matches Down Under to be officially announced early next month once contracts have been exchanged. Anfield officials have been in talks with various cities about staging matches but it appears that Sydney has lost out to Adelaide and Brisbane. The game in South Australia would be played at the Adelaide Oval which is best known as a historic cricket venue. It boasts a capacity of 53,000 and has also hosted international rugby and football previously. Brendan Rodgers' side are set to play two games in Australia this summer just as they did two years ago Sportsmail's big match stats: Sunderland 0-1 Liverpool Last summer A-League outfit Adelaide United played La Liga side Malaga there in front of 23,000 and promoters know Liverpool would represent a much bigger draw. The Reds would be the first Premier League club to visit the state of South Australia since Sheffield United in 1994. Liverpool are set to line up against either Adelaide United or a A-League All Stars XI. Rodgers’ men will also head for the east coast of Australia to play in Brisbane, Queensland. State government officials have been heavily involved in negotiations to secure Liverpool’s visit. The venue is likely to be the 52,500-capacity Suncorp Stadium which is home to Brisbane Roar FC. Celtic and Everton have both played friendly matches there in the past six years. Liverpool toured America last summer - playing matches in Boston, Chicago, New York, Charlotte and Miami Juan Mata (right) of Manchester United shoots during their pre-season friendly with Liverpool in Miami It’s also home to rugby union side Queensland Reds and has hosted Socceroos matches in the past. Liverpool toured America last summer - playing matches in Boston, Chicago, New York, Charlotte and Miami. With no international tournament in 2015, the longer pre-season schedule allows the club to travel further afield and tap into the massive support they enjoy across Asia and Down Under. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2909721/Liverpool-set-play-two-matches-Australia-pre-season-summer-tour.html#ixzz3Oo5kKQT0 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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    The FSG model.

    And where's the money coming from to build this super duper new stadium? xerxes is already advocating letting fans in for free because of the tv revenue money (while thinking the club is still going to remain 'competitive'). Fans are rightly complaining about the price of tickets so there's a limit on where the money's coming from. In contrast city and west ham have effectively been give new stadiums http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/19/olympic-stadium-cost-rises-west-ham See, you're still at it, speke wasnt the right location! And getting into and out of the city centre on matchdays would be an utter joke except it wouldnt be funny! I dont share your optimisim about tourists filling the OS even if its only 54,000. We'll have to wait and see.
  23. ratcatcher

    The FSG model.

    Both city and west ham have effectively been 'given' brand new shiny stadiums. city will fill theirs (although they still heavily discount as advertised on the radio) because they are now a successful title winning club. It remains to be seen whether west ham manage to get 50000 regular fans in the Olympic Stadium. I'd actually say what's held the club back are the people moaning that the Kop must stay as the largest single stand and not wanting to move outside of the Anfield area. Some people have short memories if they dont remember Anfield4eva and the commotion there was when the club was considering a site at speke, aintree and other places around Liverpool. David Moores held the club back from moving to a new stadium years ago but even then, there was a considerable majority in the matchgoing fanbase who said they didnt want a 'souless' bowl. I was heavily in favour of a move to a new build when it was first proposed. Its never going to happen now and in some ways, Im happy with that.