Mignolet

[Stickman]

My brother's mates a season ticket holder at Huddersfield and speaking to him before the season started he said he wasn't that impressed with Ward although obviously he'd always be well thought of.

[3 Stacks]

It would be a bad use of stats if he wasn't statistically one of the worst shot-stoppers in the league for the past 4 years.

[Chip Butty]

I don't need a save percentage to see he's fucking shit.

I see you are using the - if it looks like a turd and it smells like a turd, then it is a turd, algorithm.

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

Danny Ward has become Lev Yashin on here since he came back from Huddersfield

True. If he's gonna get any better now he needs to get injured.

[Boss]

Jesus, which poor bastards have got 78  ?

Mignolet must have had surgery to remove all traces of bone from his hands and arms . There can be no other explanation, 

 

Real Sociedad. 

[dockers_strike]

Not sure Danny Ward has become Lev Yashin on here. That said he cannot be any worse than the two at the club supposedly higher up the pecking order. I would give Ward 4 or 5 games and see how he goes. After a couple of games everyone saw how bad Karius was. After 3 years everyone knows how bad Mignolet is. Give Ward a go Jurgen.

[Mathewbet1]

There's a nagging suspicion that he's a little bit poo.

[The Golden Eel]

Not sure Danny Ward has become Lev Yashin on here. That said he cannot be any worse than the two at the club supposedly higher up the pecking order. I would give Ward 4 or 5 games and see how he goes. After a couple of games everyone saw how bad Karius was. After 3 years everyone knows how bad Mignolet is. Give Ward a go Jurgen.

 

I was being a bit facetious there but there's certainly been a bit of a clamour for him to be picked. I actually think that's a reasonable view tbh, but I just think it's out of the frying pan into the fire with all these and even though I've been a huge critic of him, I think I'd probably give Karius another go before Ward, who looks pretty average to me. I don't see Klopp giving Ward the jersey either, so it feels like a moot point. 

[Jairzinho]

Would snap your hand off for "pretty average".

 

Mignolet is shit, Karius has looked shit, hence a lot of people reckoning as limited as he may well be Ward probably deserves a go.

[dockers_strike]

We will not know if he is poo or not until he plays, just like we did with Karius. If he is shit, we will soon know it. Did he look shit against Leicester? I do not think so. Karius looks shit scared every time he plays to me. If Jurgen is going to play Gomez with Matip there may be a case to play Mignolet rather than Gomez with Ward but by the same token Jurgen is between a rock and a hard place now with his defensive selections.

[The Woolster]

It would be a bad use of stats if he wasn't statistically one of the worst shot-stoppers in the league for the past 4 years.

 

I don't believe this is the case when you take chance quality into account, from memory he is a bit below average when you do that, but I think the models underestimate the quality of chances we concede anyway, and if you go further back to include Sunderland, he's about average

[TheHowieLama]

If we go back to the 1980's we win the league Wooly. Certainly a couple of seasons is enough in that position - times change quickly.

[Captain]

Not only a couple, for some players it changes from season to season.

 

Mignolet has been consistently shite over several seasons though.

[TheHowieLama]

I get his point about the size of the data set (he is spot on statty stuff)-- probs with Si is the size of the data shit. And we probably need a keeper who is better than slightly below average regardless of what time period you try to analyze. You dont steal points in that position over the course of the season with that level - we need to start stealing points to stay in the top 4.

[The Woolster]

If we go back to the 1980's we win the league Wooly. Certainly a couple of seasons is enough in that position - times change quickly.

 

Save percentage is a really shit stat to use as it can show massive variance season to season which means you should use as much data as possible to have an idea of how good someone is at shotstopping.

 

Chart in this shows this visually reasonably well I think https://statsbomb.com/2014/05/are-some-goalkeepers-better-at-saving-shots-than-others/

 

At this point in 2014, Mignolet was slightly above average, now he will be below average, possibly approaching the lower black line, but as I said in my last post, when you include the quality of chances, he will bump up towards the average

[TheHowieLama]

he will bump up towards the average

 

You are not making me feel any better.

[Captain]

I get his point about the size of the data set (he is spot on statty stuff)-- probs with Si is the size of the data shit. And we probably need a keeper who is better than slightly below average regardless of what time period you try to analyze. You dont steal points in that position over the course of the season with that level - we need to start stealing points to stay in the top 4.

 

No, the problem with Mignolet is that his goalkeeping has been consistently below average for years when you watch our games.

 

The stats just confirm it.

[The Woolster]

I get his point about the size of the data set (he is spot on statty stuff)-- probs with Si is the size of the data shit. And we probably need a keeper who is better than slightly below average regardless of what time period you try to analyze. You dont steal p[points in that position over the course of the season with that level - we need to start stealing points to stay in the top 4.

 

I would also like a better than average keeper, problem is there is not a stand out, clear top class keeper who isn't already at a top club, so there is a real risk we end up wasting money swapping one average keeper for another (As we've perhaps seen with Karius)

[VladimirIlyich]

We've got to stop calling him Mig as its an insult to those Soviet fighter planes which were actually among the best in their field,Mignolet is not.

[No2]

Keeps his place today. I literary give up.

[Section_31]

Mig made a save.

 

* bullshit *

[Gym Beglin]

Of course he is, nothings wrong.

 

Good one Jurgen. Bet the pair of them drive to dundee in bare feet after the game.

[Gym Beglin]

I’m referring to the cunt as Simon, nothing else.

[Captain]

Keeps his place today. I literary give up.

Lovren too?

[aRdja]

If the choice is between Mignolet and Karius then I could understand why Klopp wouldn’t want to switch. However there’s Danny Ward too. I think he deserves a chance.